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Offline edwarmr

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Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« on: June 21, 2022, 11:14 AM »
For those who saw the recent post about Jessem factory seconds at a discount, you probably also noticed Jessem discovered some Pow-R-Tek Routers that they still have available.

https://jessem.com/products/pow-r-tek%E2%84%A2-router-with-remote-control-box

Many had speculated that this was the same router motor or at least the same manufacturer that Bora and SpinRite use and I can now confirm that this is the case from an email with Jessem customer service.

Email from Jessem:
"Thank you for your interest in ordering products from JessEm Tool.
The Pow-R-Tek routers we currently have on sale were recently found in our facility.
They are in original condition from the Chinese manufacturer.
This is the same manufacturer that makes SpinRite and Bora routers."
« Last Edit: June 21, 2022, 11:19 AM by edwarmr »

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Offline edwarmr

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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2022, 11:16 AM »
I also inquired if Jessem would have a new version of the Pow-R-Tek Router in the future and received good news; they will!
Hopefully this one will work better.

Email from Jessem:
"The Pow-R-Tek router was offered as a discount just to clear the inventory from our warehouse.
 
JessEm Tool does have a new router being designed by our owner Darrin Smith. It will be manufactured in China by the same company that makes the SpinRite and Bora routers.
However, since it is being designed here, we will be better equipped to answer technical questions and stock any replacement parts that may be necessary.
 
That new JessEm Tool router is expected to be ready for sale in November/December of this year.
Once we have more concrete date for availability, postings will be made on our web site and other social media platforms."

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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2022, 02:37 PM »
Anyone know if the current Pow-R-Tek router has a magnetic switch?

I read the manual and it can shut itself down if overloaded and you need to manually reset power moving the switch from On to OFF then back ON, but it does not say what happens in a power failure/outage.

My current router switch is a magnetic switch and I would want to give that up but I like having the speed control right there on the control box and not have to fumble under the table to adjust the speed. Too often I just leave the speed where it's at rather than be bothered bumping it up or down a notch. If I'm mounting a big bit or such then I do make the correct speed selection.

I know it's not really difficult, but I like easy what can I say. :-)

If not and there is a new model coming out I hope they incorporate that feature plus an ER20 collet.
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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2022, 02:01 PM »
@Bob D.

From what I’ve been able to find I do not believe it is a magnetic switch. Their Pow-R-Tek switch that they sell by itself is not magnetic. Hopefully they will add that feature on the new one coming out.

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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2022, 03:49 PM »
@Bob D.

From what I’ve been able to find I do not believe it is a magnetic switch. Their Pow-R-Tek switch that they sell by itself is not magnetic. Hopefully they will add that feature on the new one coming out.

I emailed JessEm and that is what they told me yesterday. I suggested that they consider adding that feature to the new version under development along with an ER20 collet.
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Offline ewils91

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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2022, 04:05 PM »
I have one of the originals, the power switch is not magnetic and will power the unit back on after a power interruption without user input.

I have had nothing but problems with my unit and unfortunately, received the worst customer support from Jessem that I've received from any other company that I purchase products from. I historically bought Jessem products, and they were top notch, so I didn't hesitate to spend almost $2,000.00 on one of their premium router tables. Unfortunately, the way I was treated by them when seeking help for a router motor that had less than 15 minutes of actual run time has me buying from other companies. Basically, the motor just died making a fairly small cut. Just wanted others to know so they can make educated choices.

Offline edwarmr

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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2022, 04:14 PM »
@Bob D.

From what I’ve been able to find I do not believe it is a magnetic switch. Their Pow-R-Tek switch that they sell by itself is not magnetic. Hopefully they will add that feature on the new one coming out.

I emailed JessEm and that is what they told me yesterday. I suggested that they consider adding that feature to the new version under development along with an ER20 collet.

Thanks for confirming!

Hopefully the new version will not have the same problems the last one had. It’s a great idea if they can execute it right.

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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2022, 07:25 PM »
If not and there is a new model coming out I hope they incorporate that feature plus an ER20 collet.

Some variations of this motor have the external speed control, the original had an internal speed control and it was a disaster with an extremely high failure rate.

If you want an ER20 chuck on a spindle any CNC spindle will do the job and a water cooled spindle will be a lot less noisy by a huge amount. The speed is controlled by a Variable Frequency Drive which is a very robust method and the motors are way better built. There are complete kits that can be bought which includes the spindle, VFD, water pump and a full range of chucks. Considering that a CNC spindle is meant to run for long continuous periods of time the use we give it in a router table is very light and won't stress a spindle at all. I installed one in a WW school and it has had daily use for some years now with no signs of failing.

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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2022, 08:57 PM »
What lift so you use for a spindle mounted in a router table.

Will it fit in my Woodpeckers PRL-V2 ? I believe I would need an adapter of some sort.

Most 2.2KW spindles I have seen for sale are 80mm which is much smaller than the 4.2" OD of the PC7518.

A water-cooled spindle could be a problem in the Winter. I don't heat the shop all Winter and it doesn't
get below freezing in there normally but our Winters are mild with temps not dropping below 20 that often.

I think I would opt for an air-cooled spindle because I don't run the router for more than 15 to 20 minutes
at a time. I have 240V power available at the router table so that would be an option, but I know they are
available in 240 or 120 volt versions.
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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2022, 08:38 AM »
I made my own lift, I think I posted a photo of it recently in a similar thread. Lift and DRO cost less than a hundred dollars. I just had a look and can't find it but I was sure I had posted it, dementia must be setting in! Anyway I haven't got the photos any longer so here is a link https://www.woodworkforums.com/f20/router-table-using-linear-rails-lift-227354
« Last Edit: June 24, 2022, 08:54 AM by Mini Me »

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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2022, 12:13 PM »
I do remember seeing your post here about the lift you built now that you mention it.
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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2023, 08:03 AM »
It's now February 2023. Does anyone actually have the new Pow-R-Tek SR Router Motor? Apparently they sold one batch and are awaiting a second batch.

https://jessem.com/products/jessems-pow-r-tek-sr%E2%84%A2-router-with-variable-control-box?variant=40345048711238

I have a PC 75182 in my table now and it's got the wonky speed control issue. Replacement speed control boards seem to be unavailable, so this seems like an attractive but pricey possibility. That said, the PC still works on some speeds.

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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2023, 08:55 PM »
It's now February 2023. Does anyone actually have the new Pow-R-Tek SR Router Motor? Apparently they sold one batch and are awaiting a second batch.

https://jessem.com/products/jessems-pow-r-tek-sr%E2%84%A2-router-with-variable-control-box?variant=40345048711238

I have a PC 75182 in my table now and it's got the wonky speed control issue. Replacement speed control boards seem to be unavailable, so this seems like an attractive but pricey possibility. That said, the PC still works on some speeds.
I have one. Used it few times. Works good. Didn’t get the hoses yet


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Offline Kevin Fester

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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2023, 03:41 PM »
I got mine a few weeks ago . Just set it up this week .
My unit had terrible vibration . Over twice a normal large router say a makita plunge. It caused the router table top (Phenolic Jessem) to resonate so loud it hurt my ears.

I contacted Jessem . They talked to their engineers . They got back to me saying they think I got a bad set of collets .  They are sending two new collets saying that will probably fix the problem . Said if it doesn't I can send it back for a new unit .

One thing that I found disappointing . It is designed in Canada by Jessem . Box indicates Made In China .  ::)

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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2023, 06:42 PM »
Call me skeptical, the basic motor has been around for many years so I doubt Jessem designed it, the Jessem version controller is different to the AUK version and would seem to be a step up with its speed display. At the end of the day it is a repackaged VFD driving an air cooled spindle made for a router table. There are any number of air cooled CNC spindles and VFD's available out there and as they are CNC durable I would buy one of those as they generally come with a wide range of ER collets which makes the router bit spindle size irrelevant, use a collet sized for the bit you want to use.

https://www.woodworksupplies.com.au/p/9532305/router-control-station-plus-auk-1800watt-v3er-router-motor.html

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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2023, 07:54 AM »
I got mine a few weeks ago . Just set it up this week .
My unit had terrible vibration . Over twice a normal large router say a makita plunge. It caused the router table top (Phenolic Jessem) to resonate so loud it hurt my ears.

I contacted Jessem . They talked to their engineers . They got back to me saying they think I got a bad set of collets .  They are sending two new collets saying that will probably fix the problem . Said if it doesn't I can send it back for a new unit .

One thing that I found disappointing . It is designed in Canada by Jessem . Box indicates Made In China .  ::)

Mine didn't have this issue. i'm using it with incra version prl-v2 lift and its very quite with no vibrations. I also ordered extra set of collets and they work ok (amazon)

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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2023, 10:55 AM »
So glad you got a good one Festal .

I am impressed with the design . I so want it to work . For those of you who are on the fence with the duct system . I will explain how it works . Because I thought one port was for in and the other for out . Not so!

The ducts (both) pull air from outside the cabinet and up thru the collet end of the motor . At the collet end of the motor there is a fan that exhausts air out the sides . This would tend to pressurize a closed cabinet and keep dust up top for top dust removal . At least this appears to be the case . Since I got a bum unit I haven't had it set up fully to test this theory . Anyway , constant cool air brought into a closed cabinet . Just a great Idea .   

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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2023, 07:02 PM »
I saw the words spindle and strong vibration, and thought that's a weird combo I've never seen, so took a look and it's a standard brushed motor. Unless you had a very wide cutter in the collet, vibration of that magnitude is definitely strange, and I don't see how it would just be the collet?

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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2023, 09:07 PM »
Luv
My thoughts also . I only had a 1/2 half inch straight cutter in it .

I am thinking Jessem wants to try the least expensive rout to a solutions first . I am afraid this will be a weeks long process to bring this to a solution . Months possibly if Jessem has supply problems . They did say they would exchange the motor if the collet change does not fix this . However , if supply problems are an issue this is going to be a long drawn out process.

I hate that the west has sold it's manufacturing base the the China .

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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2023, 11:41 PM »
Out of curiosity, have you powered it up without the collet/cutter fitted to see if it still vibrates badly?

Could be the bearings on the armature or a machining tolerance issue.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2023, 12:13 AM by luvmytoolz »

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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2023, 06:53 AM »
Yes I have . Powered up out of table and no bit or chuck . Less vibration but still seemed more than it should for a brand new motor .  Vibration seemed to be coming from the back of the motor (red end) while holding it . I really think I got a lemon . However , felt I had to go thru the motions with Jessem .

The following was my correspondence with Jessem .

" There is a lot of vibration coming from this unit. Enough at 20000 rpm’s to be ear hurting. Resonance all through the table. I took the unit out of the table and fired it up just holding it in my hands to take any possible contributing factors out of the equation. Resonance is coming from the motor. It is over twice what my big Makita plunge or Bosch 1617.

The motor has only had a 1/2 inch straight bit in it. However , even a straight bit tended to magnify the vibration. Ran the motor in my hand without a bit and vibration was less. Running it this way , the vibration seamed to be coming from the red end of the motor.

When the motor was in the table. At slow speed it was ok. At medium there would be a low growl coming from it. At 2200 it is a resonance machine.

I have my 1617 in the table now and there is no vibration.
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You can see that they focused on the "less vibration " first (concerning the collet ) . I understand that

I will let this thread know how this ultimately turns out .



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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2023, 07:01 AM »
Without a cutter much less a collet, there should be virtually no vibration at all, especially as holding it in your hand acts as a damper so if you're feeling vibration there's definitely an issue beyond changing the collet. Sounds like the armature is out of balance, or maybe the bearing housing is slightly offset.

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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2023, 07:16 PM »
I got mine a few weeks ago . Just set it up this week .
My unit had terrible vibration . Over twice a normal large router say a makita plunge. It caused the router table top (Phenolic Jessem) to resonate so loud it hurt my ears.

I contacted Jessem . They talked to their engineers . They got back to me saying they think I got a bad set of collets .  They are sending two new collets saying that will probably fix the problem . Said if it doesn't I can send it back for a new unit .

One thing that I found disappointing . It is designed in Canada by Jessem . Box indicates Made In China .  ::)

Are any routers made in NA?

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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2023, 05:06 AM »
Here's the vibration level claimed by JessEm on Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cn-MKrVpLC4/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Looking forward to a 240v version. We only have the AUK available which is a good router body, but this looks to have a few nice improvements.
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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2023, 09:40 PM »
Here's the vibration level claimed by JessEm on Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cn-MKrVpLC4/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Looking forward to a 240v version. We only have the AUK available which is a good router body, but this looks to have a few nice improvements.

Thank you Simon for posting the instagram link .

 This let me know what I should expect of this new motor . I did the screw test on my router motor. Screw flew off . I then put the router motor back into the lift and into the table with the screw on the router lift plate . It danced . I took a very short video of it dancing and sent it to Jessem Customer service . I then put my well used Bosch 1617 into the lift and then into the table. Placed a screw on the plate and the screw didn't move . Sent a short video of that to Jessem . They eventually got back to me saying the motor was defective.

They then canceled the previous collet order and issued a new order for a replacement motor . It is now on the way with a return shipment label for my defective motor .

Concerning Jessem customer service . They don't seem to like to answer or return phone calls . It appears there preferential way of communicating is with Email . This I didn't like . However , in the end they have treated me honorably .

Without the video evidence it would have been a much longer ordeal .

Kevin

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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2023, 06:39 AM »
I’ll add my voice to this for anybody who is looking later.

It starts with this — major props to JessEm for proactively reaching out to check in on the purchase. I hadn’t set the router up yet and after reading this thread, I did a few tests, and fortunately already had a contact email to reply to after my tests.

I had the vibration problem as well. Turns out that some of these earlier motors shipped with a black collet seat and that’s the one they’ve since upgraded. If you watch in the video the collet seat is a shiny steel. JessEm has also since upgraded the collets themselves, as well.

I got a near-immediate response (on a Saturday!) to my email and they’re taking the motor back to switch out the collet seat to the new style and including a few of the new collets as well. Major props to the JessEm team for great service and accountability.

Also worth mentioning that the build quality on everything else for the motor is outstanding. The control box itself is particularly worth noting. I’m stoked to get it up and running!

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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2023, 03:44 PM »
So I'm assuming the collet seat was out of round or mis-aligned?

I wonder if they will contact all the people who bought one of these, or just wait till complaints come in. If its the latter, some lesser experienced people unfortunately won't know the vibration is actually an issue and just think its normal.

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Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2023, 05:51 PM »
That’s hard to say. I take your point, though. I also think that the expectations may be different and folks who spend time on a Festool forum may be somewhat more, uh, picky about tool performance than most other people.

I’d have to leave it to JessEm to answer but they emailed to check in un-prompted and were extremely happy to help fix the issue when there was one. It may be that some of these first runs of collet seats work fine and others don’t… who knows. I can say this whole interaction makes me happier with the premium I’ve paid and that’s a nice peace of mind.

Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2023, 07:12 PM »
I will also add . Jessem also add reached out to me via email . This was before I had the motor up and running . I too had an email contact because of this when my trouble arose . On my defective unit . An out of round collet seat with no collet or bit while running doesn't seam to me to be the cause of my serious vibration .

My replacement motor is due to arrive this Thursday . So hoping to be delighted .   

Re: Jessem Pow-R-Tek Router Motor
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2023, 09:29 AM »
My replacement motor did indeed arrive this past Thursday .

It runs smooth and vibration free . I am very pleased .