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Offline afish

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hose/cord clips opinions
« on: February 04, 2022, 07:14 PM »
I currently have a hose with diy PET braided cover with the power cord inside the cover.  Im not sure how I feel about it.  ON one hand it functions pretty good I dont have to worry about it snagging on anything but on the other hand it makes the covering funky, looser and slightly less flexible.  I have seen those 3d printed clips that clamp the power cord to the hose but worried they would be snagging on the edge of the bench. 

So whats your guys opinion/solution for this?  Are the clips good or is there a better method.  I thought about cutting up some 1" bands of heat shrink and trying that. 

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Offline rvieceli

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Re: hose/cord clips opinions
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2022, 09:38 PM »
You could try slicing off short pieces of bicycle inner tube to use as rubber bands to hold the cord.

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Re: hose/cord clips opinions
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2022, 12:12 AM »
Yeah, I get what you mean. I've had the cord inside the PET cover and I've tried the little velcro wraps on the outside. The velcro snagged on every little thing. The cord run inside the cover was OK but seemed to make the hose twist in the opposite direction I needed it to go. It was most annoying when using the track saw as I was pulling the hose/cord over a longer distance. Now, I just keep them separate or loosely coiled. When sanding or using the domino, I have a hook hanging from the ceiling that does a good job keeping the hose and cord suspended together and out of the way. If I'm using the track saw, I just sort of wrap them in my arm, similar to how I've seen Sedge do in one of his videos, and try to clear the space so there's nothing that'll get in their way.
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Re: hose/cord clips opinions
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2022, 09:19 AM »
I have one of those cover/sleeve kits in a drawer, unused for a long time. I bought it on a whim and just never got around to using it, kind of for the same reasons. It seems like a good idea, but after thinking it over a while, maybe not?
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Offline afish

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Re: hose/cord clips opinions
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2022, 09:39 AM »
No, the cover itself is nice.  I really like having the cover.  I have one on another hose without a cord.  The cover really helps with snagging it just glides over edges and corners.  The problem is when you have the hose and cord together.  Having the cord in the cover isnt bad but isnt great either.  The cord clips look like a good option at first but could be prone to snagging on stuff to.  Just incase Im talking about the braided mesh cover like in the photo not the zip on sock style festool offers with the cord inside.

 

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Re: hose/cord clips opinions
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2022, 10:39 AM »
Yeah, that's what I have, the mesh. My hoses are already mesh, so I wouldn't gain anything, but the wire containment. I really don't have much of a problem with that. It's kind of one of the very few advantages of being left-handed. I run the saw with the left and control the hose/cord with the right.
I may get around to putting it over the hose and extension cord that go to my router table. It has one of the silver non anti-static ribbed hoses.

"Non anti" just sounds funny, but just saying static would be worse?
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Re: hose/cord clips opinions
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2022, 11:43 AM »
@afish you got the fancy color, ha! I originally ordered a Dakota Tools kit from Amazon and then realized it was way overpriced. The kit was nice and all, but too expensive for what it was and I ended up not using the included shrink wrap. I found a 25' roll of tubing for much less and it works great, especially on ribbed/spiral hoses.

I don't have any Festool hoses, but I imagine the PET would be redundant if the cord isn't inside.
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Offline afish

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Re: hose/cord clips opinions
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2022, 01:53 PM »
yea I couldnt find any green but only paid 14 bucks for a 25' roll.  It does match the Mafell good but im cheap, wait... I mean "thrifty" so the color doesnt really bother me.

Offline Lincoln

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Re: hose/cord clips opinions
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2022, 03:54 PM »
Velcro cable ties work well. Otherwise, Fein make plastic clips for this.

Offline Stan Tillinghast

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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2022, 06:26 PM »
I got some of the green 3-D printed clips; but my hose is the new smooth hose (long may it reign!). So far, I find it inconvenient when switching over to using the vacuuming tools as the power cord is really in the way.
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Offline mino

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Re: hose/cord clips opinions
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2022, 08:55 PM »
I put the cable inside the hose for mine. Problem solved.

Caveat emptor:
 - for it to work, I had to make mini-holes in the hose and I did not cut into the braiding, just spread it out and pushed the cable through the opening, was tricky 3 hours work but that way the pressure/friction from the stretched hose and braiding is enough to fix the cable in place, not tape or any other fixing of the cable needed
 - the cable becomes "tied" to the hose as the hose will have "holes" if cable is removed in future
 - you cannot use the hose for any rough work - basically anything that can pull steel shavings, glass etc. that could cut/damage the cable
 - to be safe, I used the "heavy duty" green cable from Festool which is way, way stronger/durable than your normal rubber one
 - there is NO WAY it will pass any safety inspection, so no-go in a commercial setting

Overall I am sure it is safe with the heavy duty cable and dedicated to tool use only. But safety regulations do not work like that ...

All things considered, I am very happy with the arrangement.

It is a more comfortable solution even to the official Festool sander hose+cable combo. That was the main motivation actually as I did not like the hose-in-cloth setup.


One option, for those with the cable arm - the last section on it has a similar arrangement, but not sure how it is handled there where the cable goes "inside" the hose. Getting that hose only as a spare part might do the trick ?


EDIT: Found, unfortunately seems to be NAINA:

https://www.amazon.de/Festool-456746-Saugschlauch-27-antistatisch-m-as/dp/B004MN9IXG

Can someone who has it from the cable arm check how it is done? Is the cable "freely" in the air stream like I did or is there some other arrangment, cable embedded in the hose itself?
« Last Edit: February 06, 2022, 09:16 PM by mino »
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Offline afish

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Re: hose/cord clips opinions
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2022, 05:36 PM »
Never seen that.  I used to have a central vac and it had the power imbedded in the coil of the hose but if memory serves that was only 12v. Just looking at the picture it doesnt look like the cable is imbedded in the hose coils I would think that a pair of 16ga + wires would add enough bulk to be somewhat visible so if I had to guess its run in inside the hose like you did. Not to mention the extra length of wire it would take to go around the hose a few hundred times.

 This will be a dedicated hose just for sanding and using with other small hand tools like the DDF40 and domino. So, I have no issue doing like you did.  Plus here its only 120v so on the 1 and a million chance I got poked by it its not much worse than a strong cup of coffee.  I would be hesitant if it was a longer hose as it would probably effect airflow on a 27mm hose. However mine is only 8' long max. and might get shorter after I have tried it out for awhile.  For now I ran it on the outside of the braided sleeve and just used some small zip ties to see how I liked it outside the cover.  However Im still waiting on my festool hose end to arrive so its not completed yet.  If it doesnt work out I will probably put it inside the hose.     

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Re: hose/cord clips opinions
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2022, 09:29 PM »

EDIT: Found, unfortunately seems to be NAINA:

https://www.amazon.de/Festool-456746-Saugschlauch-27-antistatisch-m-as/dp/B004MN9IXG

Can someone who has it from the cable arm check how it is done? Is the cable "freely" in the air stream like I did or is there some other arrangment, cable embedded in the hose itself?


I had one of those at one point. As I recall there was a small diameter cloth / or maybe neoprene (something like that) tube  attached to the inside hose wall that the cord ran through. ................ I think.   

The entry / exit points are angled channels formed in the plastic pieces.

I found the idea seemed great. In use the plastic entry / exit piece tended to clunk around on things. The hose was a bit less flexible.   After trying it out for a while I switched back to a regular separate hose and power cord. And with the advent of the new style hose there is no contest.

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