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Offline mattbyington

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Hammer N4400 on the way!
« on: February 12, 2020, 01:05 AM »
Decided the A331 was getting lonely!

It’s crated up right now in Sacramento. Very excited.

Matt

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Offline vkumar

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2020, 01:31 AM »
Nice.  Congratulations Matt.
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Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2020, 04:36 AM »
I bought both at the same time… : ) No regrets! Just joy!
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Offline mattbyington

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2020, 01:05 PM »
Thanks Guys! Super excited. It is being delivered tomorrow!

Matt

Offline pierwood

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2020, 05:57 PM »
Nice!
What accessories did you add?

Offline mattbyington

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2020, 08:14 PM »
@pierwood I did get the miter gauge and I picked up a nice Lenox Woodmaster blade for resaw (The N4400 does not ship with a blade).

I, of course, got the X-Ceramic (or whatever they call it) bearings - I've heard mixed reviews. They recommended it. We'll see.

I'm not really aware of any other accessories other than table extensions which I won't get (I am very limited on space).

Are there others I'm missing?

Thanks
Matt

Offline egmiii

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2020, 10:49 PM »
Did you get the 1” Woodmaster CT carbide blade? I’m not sure if the N4400 can tension that blade properly.

Offline mattbyington

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2020, 12:44 AM »
@egmiii ahhh no:( thank you so much for the heads up. That is the one I got.

Would you be willing to educate me on the best Resaw / straight cut blade? I know very little about bandsaws.

Shoot. Wish I asked first.

Matt

Offline derekcohen

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2020, 05:43 AM »
Did you get the 1” Woodmaster CT carbide blade? I’m not sure if the N4400 can tension that blade properly.

Mine certainly does. Excellent blade. I am onto my second.

Regards from Perth

Derek

Offline mattbyington

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2020, 10:02 AM »
Thanks Derek! So maybe it’s okay.

Offline John1102

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2020, 03:06 PM »
Matt,
Which bandsaw models were you considering and what led you to choosing the Hammer N4400 in the end? 


Offline ben_r_

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2020, 04:41 PM »
Nice! Got the A3-31 and N4400 combo myself and love it! Both from the Sacramento location too! Did yours come with the stainless bar that the fence mounts too or is it black steel?
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Offline mattbyington

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2020, 07:10 PM »
@John1102 I was considering:

PM1500
Laguna 14 or 18"

I was really really leaning towards PM1500 since I've heard terrible things about Laguna's customer service.

However - once I figured out Hammer / Felder sold bandsaws - the really nice thing is that since I already have an A3 31 jointer/planer, I can do maintenance at the same time if I need to have anyone come out, the machines match each other, I'm already familiar with their reps and folks, tools, motors, I'm very happy with the service I've received, etc etc.

I am sure the PM1500 would have been great, too. But why not stick with a brand I know I love and trust based on the A3.

Aaaaaand at that folks, it was just delivered 30 minutes ago!

I had to jet back to work real quick - so, @ben_r_ I shall know the answer to your question in the next 12 hours or so when I get it uncrated :)

We had to take it off the pallet or it wouldn't fit in the garage.... looks to be a beast. Can't wait to get it set up.

Matt


Offline SouthRider

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2020, 07:37 PM »
Check out Highland Woodworking for great info about re-sawing.

https://www.highlandwoodworking.com/bandsaw-blades-accessories.aspx

I bought a fairly expensive wide blade when I first bought my bandsaw (following traditional advice). Never could get it to work right. Bought the 1/2" blade from Highland, followed their video advice, and re-sawing is now no big deal. Now I'm not making paper thin veneers or violin cases, but for general use I love their system.
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Offline derekcohen

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2020, 05:28 AM »
Matt, here are some modifications/accessories to consider for the N4400. I have had mine about 10 years. It is a single phase, 4 h.p. motor running on a 20 amp circuit.

1. This is a CNC-made aluminium insert, replacing the plastic one which warps.



2. Another CNC-made item, a mitre gauge ..



The N4400 has an atypical slot - it is much shallower than all others. I found that I could use a cheap F-clamp blade with a minor amount of side sanding ...



3. I attached a steel ruler to set the fence ...





4. I began developing a re-saw fence by attaching a high subfence made from MDF (waxed) ...



This slides onto the main fence via a groove, and was held in place by a friction fit. It now has a threaded bolt.





Several months ago I modified this fence with a design of mine that I am happy to discuss later. In brief, it avoids problems with kerf expansion by using a shortened fence ...



From the rear ...



This is a Jarrah board re-sawn using a 1" Lenox Woodmaster CT blade ...



5. Dust control is via a pipe underside ...









This should keep you out of mischief for a while  [big grin]



Regards from Perth

Derek

Offline Lbob131

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2020, 02:45 PM »
I like   the dust  control  method.
I have  the  N4400 also.

Offline Ambrosia

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2020, 05:58 PM »
I’m very happy with my N4400 but found the table a bit small. I used some scrap flooring to make a larger surface.

BTW, the overhead dust extraction (orange nozzle) doesn’t really work If you were wondering. I enlarged the standard cabinet port slightly so that it’s the size of the plastic hose adaptor, and dust control is not great but adequate for what I do.

Leigh




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Offline derekcohen

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2020, 07:44 PM »
Leigh, I recognise both your bandsaw and mitre gauge! :)    Note that I replaced the blade in my mitre gauge. The aluminium one that came with it is too short and creates limitations on the width of the board for cutting. Use a blade from a cheap F-clamp.

Dust control with the “pipe” is very good. Bandsaws are difficult to set up for dust extraction, and this method is the best I have found.

A larger table is a personal matter. Hammer (Felder) do offer extensions for the N4400. I have this for the A3-31, and never needed the extra length. So it lives on my K3 slider. Here it is on the A3-31 ..



I have not felt a need for extra table width with the N4400, however have wanted greater length. My solution, in place of the Hammer extensions, which I thought to be too costly when I purchased this bandsaw 10 years ago, was to add on a roller (I think that this one was designed for a drill press) ...



Regards from Perth

Derek
« Last Edit: February 14, 2020, 07:50 PM by derekcohen »

Offline mattbyington

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2020, 12:28 PM »
@SouthRider thanks! I might get a couple different blades. We'll see.

@derekcohen wow, thank you so very much for such a detailed post! It took me a little while to read and understand it. So many cool things in there. The scale is something definitely missing in my opinion from the bandsaw. I'd like to do inlay work making 1/8 or 1/4 wide strips of exotics to inlay. My plan was just to use the router bit itself between the blade and the rip fence, which I probably still will do. But the scale is great and can't hurt.

I've also heard the dust extraction isn't the best so I might do something similar to what you've got going on here too.

@Ambrosia nice! I don't have space for that but if I did, would be awesome!

Thanks everyone for the great replies!

On Friday evening I finally got the thing off the pallet and onto its (barely strong enough) mobile base. I use a PM 3500 for the A3, but unfortunately, it doesn't go small enough for the N4400 and I didn't want to cut the rails by hand.

So, I got the 2500 which is rated for 650 pounds. It works great so far.

the only issue I've had is the Brake gets in the way of the casters. I don't want to mount the casters on the side of the base since I like the streamlined look and space saving.

Has anyone removed their brake? The big yellow metal bar. I might.

Thanks!

Blade comes Thursday...can't use it until then :( patience is hard!

Matt




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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2020, 05:58 PM »
Do all the N4400s have an external brake in the USA? In Australia, and I assume Europe as well, the brake is internal/automatic.



Regards from Perth

Derek

Offline Bernmc

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2020, 06:31 PM »
I noticed the US mechanical brake thing when I was reading through the N4400 manuals before getting mine.
The ROW models brake by injecting DC into the motor - I wonder whether there's some sort of US legislation that prevents this, or the puny 110V you have over there can't handle it?

Offline Rob Z

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2020, 07:02 PM »
Derek, nice work with all the mods made to your N4400.

Bernmc, the N4400 is shipped here to run on 230v.  I haven't made a big study of bandsaws, but what I have seen is some times a particular model is available with the foot brake and also (for an upcharge) an electric brake.  My N4400 had a foot brake but I don't recall if an electric brake was an option.

Offline Ambrosia

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2020, 03:54 AM »
Derek - I see your point with the mitre gauge extension. Will look into that.

I’m about 50 years practice away from your skill level and projects - I mostly cut shapes out of cheap plywood, hence the need for a larger cutting table area. One day I hope to resaw rare and valuable timbers, but right now I feel it would be a bit of a waste!

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Offline SouthRider

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2020, 05:35 PM »
Matt -

My Rikon has a similar brake - I wouldn't live without it. The momentum from large diameter cast wheels can keep that blade spinning for a long time after the saw is off. Someone else mentioned electronic or magnetic brake - sounds great (and expensive). I don't recommend removing the mechanical brake - I use mine every time (I like my fingers, and those of my guests too).

I wasn't recommending Highland for you to buy a blade, but to learn how to re-saw. Their setup and use videos made the whole process simple and easy for a newbie to a bandsaw like I was at the time. Great info on setting up for blade drift too.
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Offline Bernmc

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2020, 07:29 PM »
Electronic brakes are standard on AU/European models, and the mechanical is not an option.

Interestingly, I think the same applies to Fe$tool's QF1400 - ours has an electronic brake, but I don't believe that the US flavour does.

Offline mattbyington

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2020, 12:08 PM »
@SouthRider got it. I'll keep it then. Thank you.

Blade comes today. Super excited to power it on for the first time tonight.

I ended up getting the 1" Lenox CT

Matt

Offline mattbyington

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #26 on: February 29, 2020, 08:33 PM »
Hey team! Looking for some advice.

I switched to a thinner blade : I’m using a Lenox 3/4” classic bi-metal blade with 3  TPI. I’ve only used the bandsaw 3 times so far as I just got it in. The rip cuts against the fence have left the edge pretty wavy and ripply. It takes 2 solid passes on the jointer to clean it up. I was hoping for smoother edges right off the bandsaw. I’m more than confident it is me doing something wrong here but figured I would ask. I’ve tensioned the blade according to the scale on the bandsaw, for a 3/4” blade. Thanks so much for any help.



Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #27 on: February 29, 2020, 10:46 PM »
Forget that scale. Tension by feel and you’ll notice that the scale is no help.
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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #28 on: February 29, 2020, 11:20 PM »
Curiosity question:  Any featherboards to keep the wood in position?

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2020, 09:48 AM »
I’m thinking it’s either the tension or the fence isn’t parallel with the blade, but I’m no expert.  Here is a video Marc put together with Alex Snodgrass that should walk you through a quick and easy way to get everything set up.

https://www.thewoodwhisperer.com/videos/best-way-set-bandsaw/
-Raj

Offline egmiii

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2020, 10:13 AM »
I’m thinking it’s either the tension or the fence isn’t parallel with the blade, but I’m no expert.  Here is a video Marc put together with Alex Snodgrass that should walk you through a quick and easy way to get everything set up.

https://www.thewoodwhisperer.com/videos/best-way-set-bandsaw/

This method likely will not work for the N4400. It was designed for saws with crowned wheels. I believe the N4400 has flat wheels.

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2020, 11:02 AM »
The blade tracking part is not relevant for that reason, but the rest is useful.

I pulled up Sam Blasco’s recommendations in my email and he was pretty consistent with respect to tension.  He sets at 1/8” to 1/4” deflection 6” down from the upper wheel.  Then he turn is on with the guides set back and listens to the saw.  Any fluttering sounds means it needs more tension. 

But don’t overlook the fence adjustments.  And the other poster is right, set up a feather board to keep pressure against the fence consistent.  That should eliminate you as the source of the issue.
-Raj

Offline ScotF

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2020, 11:18 AM »
Matt - are the rips consistent in width? It is hard to tell from the pictures, but the little ripples are likely caused by the alternating set of the teeth. You need to use a blade without set to get smoother rips. You will likely not achieve a glue-ready rip with a bandsaw, though. Close, but it will not be perfect. I pass over the jointer will likely be needed regardless of blade.

Nice saw, BTW!

Offline mattbyington

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2020, 12:40 PM »
@RustE yes I have tried that!

@ScotF thanks! I ordered a Laguna ProForce last night..we'll see how that goes.

Went with 10 TPI instead of 3 or 4. Hoping that helps.

Also, yes, the wheels are flat. I did talk with Alex Snodgrass this weekend via Facebook messenger and he confirmed that most of the methods he discusses don't apply to bandsaw. at least with regard to blade tracking.

Matt

Offline derekcohen

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2020, 06:54 PM »
Matt, it is difficult to judge from the small photo and small edge you posted, but the resaw looks reasonable. Technique comes into this as well - if you push the work piece too fast, the gullets fill up with sawdust faster, and then they push it away from the fence and cause waviness. Try pushing slower, and tension a little higher.

I would not purchase a 10 tpi blade. Return it for 3 tpi. The 1" CT resaw blade is 1.3 tpi. More teeth with simply load up faster. With 10 tpi, you have to push the blade excruciatingly slowly.

Matt, with respect, you have minimal time on a bandsaw. Learn how to use one before rushing off to buy new blades. Read my earlier comments about resaw fences. There is as much technique in all this as equipment.

Regards from Perth

Derek

Offline mattbyington

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2020, 07:33 PM »
@derekcohen got it! thank you sir. I really appreciate your time responding. I will spend more time practicing.

Appreciate all of your insight.

Matt

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2020, 03:42 PM »
I was almost ready to pull the trigger on the N4400 but decided not to after a visit to the local Felder warehouse.  Austrians must be short people because the table height was 4" below the Powermatic and Laguna.  I'm almost 6'3" so it was a deal killer for me.  I got the PM1500 instead and it's the bees knees for me. 
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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2020, 12:47 AM »
I was almost ready to pull the trigger on the N4400 but decided not to after a visit to the local Felder warehouse.  Austrians must be short people because the table height was 4" below the Powermatic and Laguna.  I'm almost 6'3" so it was a deal killer for me.  I got the PM1500 instead and it's the bees knees for me. 
Yea I thought it was very short too! So I built a mobile base that raised it up a lot. Been great for me since.
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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #38 on: March 07, 2020, 10:19 AM »
It is hard to tell from the pictures, but the little ripples are likely caused by the alternating set of the teeth. You need to use a blade without set to get smoother rips.

As ScotF noted, a blade with less set will give you a smoother cut surface. Consider the Wood Slicer® Resaw Bandsaw Blades from Highland Woodworking. They are available in 1/2" & 3/4" widths. The blade band thickness is .022" and it leaves a kerf that's .032". So the tooth set is only .005" per side. No cutting curves with these guys, resawing only.

https://www.highlandwoodworking.com/woodslicer34resawbandsawblades105to166.aspx

Also stick with a 3-4 tooth blade because as Derek said you need the tooth spacing (gullet) to be large so it can remove the material efficiently from the cut.  Just like a table saw, you're ripping the material so the tooth count needs to be low.

I've resawn a bunch of aromatic cedar which has a Janka hardness equivalent to maple or cherry. This was all done on a Delta 14" bandsaw which isn't exactly a power house.  [smile]

BTW...love your saw...I'm jealous.  [big grin]






Offline PeppaPig

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #39 on: March 07, 2020, 10:24 PM »
Lenox Tension Meter.  Buy once, cry once.  These come up on eBay every now and then.  I picked one up for $165 in excellent condition a couple of years ago - well worth the money.  The blade was severely under tensioned using the built in gauge on my 18" Laguna  (by the way, the poor customer server complaints about Laguna are from years ago.  When I bought my LT18 3000 in 2014, there was a slight issue with the throat plate.  They immediately sent me a knew one and threw in a free blade for my troubles)




The wood slicer from Highland woodworking is a great, fairly inexpensive blade, but I believe the current king of the hill is the Laguna Resaw King.  Certainly not cheap in the $250 price range, but they can be re-sharpened up to 5 times

https://thisiswoodworking.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=RK125145

Offline kcufstoidi

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2020, 07:40 AM »
You don't have to cry with this method which has been around for years and is based on what the tension gauge reads.

https://sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?22144-bandsaw-tension-gauge-crazy-idea&p=198533#post198533

Offline PeppaPig

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2020, 07:23 PM »
So spend 2 to 3 times more on 'premium' type machine and then cheap out on the tools used to set it up correctly?   OK, whatever floats your boat....

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2020, 10:14 PM »
Following on Derek’s blade advice, consider the rule of thumb for matching hacksaw blades to the work. That is, tooth pitch should be 1/3 of the thickness of the stock being cut so that there are always at least 2 teeth in the kerf so the blade doesn’t snag. That 10tpi blade would be good for cutting stuff 3/8ths of an inch thick.

Also consider that a tooth is going to be dragging swarf into it’s gullet the full length of the kerf so for re-sawing you want big gullets. As said above, for smooth cut surfaces you also want less set, but (I’m guessing) that also requires the wood to be quite dry.

Offline mattbyington

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #43 on: March 08, 2020, 11:33 PM »
@Cheese wow thanks so much for all the information! I will try it out. I think the blade set really was what was killing me!

Really appreciate you taking the time write that up. That cedar looks BEAUTIFUL and exactly what I want cut-quality-wise!! I'll have to keep trying. I'm still totally new at it.

@PeppaPig just picked one of those up this week from Grizzly! Already noticed the scale on the N4400 wasn't really accurate, as I hypothesized! Great item to have around but yes pricey.

@Michael Kellough thanks! Really appreciate the advice!

By the way. Is anyone interested in a brand-new 1" Woodmaster CT? I think it's a little too big for my machine as you guys have noted here, so, moving down to 3/4" blades... they aren't cheap. I wouldn't give it away for free but if anyone in Bay Area, CA wants it, let me know and we can chat.

Matt

Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #44 on: March 09, 2020, 07:44 AM »
What the max size blade for the N4400 is, is a bit obscure. Some documentation says 20 mm (slightly over 3/4), but I have also seen 25 mm (an inch). Strange thing is that the tensioning guide inside the machine goes to 35 mm ( 1 3/8) — that may be some stupid cost saving issue (using the same decal for various models), but does not clarify things.


Anyway, an inch blade should work. I have one on my N4400 and it’s the one I mainly use. (Hammer branded, but produced by ? ? ? )
Cheers, Bert Vanderveen

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Offline kcufstoidi

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Re: Hammer N4400 on the way!
« Reply #45 on: March 09, 2020, 07:45 AM »
So spend 2 to 3 times more on 'premium' type machine and then cheap out on the tools used to set it up correctly?   OK, whatever floats your boat....

Boy you have no idea what your talking about, I will just leave it like that. There is nothing magically about about setting tension and I've done more precision setups then you could ever imagine. Like everything waste your money the way you wish. By the way a Hammer N4400 isn't a premium machine its a mid range to most and entry level for the Felder line.

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« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2020, 10:16 AM »
I doubt that scales on all bandsaws are unlikely to be accurate. I accept the one on my N4400 is just a guideline.

I also have never used an aftermarket scale. I simply tension using the 1" mark as a rough estimate, and then go a little more until there is minimal blade deflection. I am on my second 1" Lenox Woodmaster CT. This one tensions more easily, as if the blade has more spring in it. The previous one struggled to get to the 1" mark. It is possible - a more likely explanation - that the new blade is slightly longer than the old one? In any event, the new one cuts more smoothly.

By the way, I re-sharpened the previous 1" CT about 5 times before it eventually gave up the ghost (diamond disk on a Dremel).

The Hammer N4400 is a good bandsaw, but I agree that it is an entry level for the Felder make. It has good power, but there are areas for improvement, which one pays for. I am happy with my three Hammer machines, having had good service from them and the agent, who is nearby. That was a big reason for going with Hammer.

With regard size of blade, my N4400 is about 9 or 10 years old now. Earlier models went to 3/4" (as the recommendation). I believe mine can go to 1 1/4".

Regards from Perth

Derek