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Offline Michael Kellough

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FLEX Vacuum
« on: December 04, 2019, 03:14 PM »
What comes with the FLEX vacuum and what do you need to connect the hose to Festool equipment? To a TS saw and to a sander. Looks like that might require two different add-on hose endings?

My 20 year old Fein vac blew the armature yesterday and the Flex seems to be the best replacement but I want to get everything needed at once.

In particular, I don’t want to buy a bundle of bags if one is included because the vac will be permanently connected to a cyclone.


“Okay boomer, watch the video”  [huh]

I watched the Acme unboxing video and learned that the vac comes with one unidentified hose end (don’t know what it will fit) and two different collection bags.

It also comes with attachments to hold the hose and cord but the parts that will allow a Systainer to sit securely on top are an extra $30.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2019, 04:10 PM by Michael Kellough »

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Offline deepcreek

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2019, 04:00 PM »
I just bought a Flex BCE 44 L AC from CPO on their "Oops" Cyber Monday Sale.  They honored the price mistake and it arrived today.  (They have since fixed the price and are out of stock.)

It came with a 32mm anti static hose but the tool end is designed for their drywall sanding system.  There is a universal stepped adapter 445.029 included that can be trimmed to three different diameters.

You can purchase a Flex adapter for Festool as follows:
   
27mm SAD-C 27 AS 461.628
36mm SAD-C 36 AS 461.636

They also make a replacement tool end for at least the 27mm SAD-27 AS 382.736 but I couldn't find one for the 36mm.

The existing hose end just threads off the Flex hose.  There's no lock tab like Festool hose ends.

FWIW - I checked a Festool 27mm tool end and it is too small to go onto the Flex hose.

The vacuum comes with one fleece bag and one plastic bag for coarse material.

It does come with side brackets to hold the hose and a bungee to hold the cord.

The L-BOXX adapter 445.169 to hold a Systainer is NOT included.  I will likely get one and attach a SYS ToolBox.

They also make a steel loop handle 445.150 that bolts on the bottom and back.  I'm on the fence about this.

The machine is made in Hungary and built like a tank.  So far, I'm VERY impressed.

Joe
« Last Edit: December 04, 2019, 04:32 PM by deepcreek »
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2019, 04:22 PM »
Thanks @deepcreek

The Acme video indicates that it comes with one hose end. Did yours from CMO? If so, what does it fit?

The adapters you list are what we need but where in the world US can we get them?

In the meantime I assume/hope we can use an existing Festool hose.

Offline deepcreek

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2019, 04:30 PM »
@Michael Kellough

Yes, mine came from CPO.  See my post above as I have added more info.

Acme sells a lot of the parts and accessories.  Be careful as they are using incorrect photos for some of the items.  Check www.flex-tools.com for correct photos.

I'm still trying to source a US supplier for the replacement hose end rather than the adapters.

I checked and both my 27mm & 36mm Festool hoses connect to the Flex vac.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2019, 04:56 PM by deepcreek »
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2019, 04:36 PM »
Thanks for the info.

I’ll just get the vac and the L box adapters and make do with Festool hose etc.
Hmm, actually since I’ll be using the same cyclone I only need to get the existing hose to fit the Flex vac.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2019, 04:45 PM »
I wonder if this tool adapter for the similar Milwaukee extractor will fit the Flex hose. Looks like there are some differences in the hose ends.

Acme also has two similar looking Nilfisk AS adapters and they cost half as much...
« Last Edit: December 04, 2019, 05:37 PM by Michael Kellough »

Online Mike Goetzke

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2019, 04:52 PM »
I'm looking for a vacuum cleaning set for this. I see Flex has the 445053 but it's $90 for three extensions and 5 fittings. Any suggestions for an equivalent set?

Doesn't look like there is any on-board features to hold these tools like a shop vac - right?

Was going to replace my Craftsman vac with this for general cleanup, track saw, SCMS, Domino, router ... I use my old but strong CT33 for fine dust.

Mike

Offline deepcreek

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2019, 04:54 PM »
That looks exactly like the old Alto adapter I had for connecting my 1.5" ShopVac hose to my 27mm tool ports.  It does not fit the Flex hose.
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Offline deepcreek

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2019, 05:04 PM »
@Mike Goetzke

I think there is a bracket to hold the Flex giraffe drywall sanding pole but otherwise no onboard tool storage.

Festool makes a couple of cleaning kits that come in a systainer which can be stored on top with the L-BOXX adapter.  I'm sure it costs more than $90 though.

I have an older stainless ShopVac floor wand that I just leave assembled and store in a corner of the shop.
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Offline rvieceli

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2019, 06:59 PM »
Received my Flex vac today. I am very pleased with this purchase. Thanks again @DynaGlide for the heads up.

Here are some un-boxing pics.





It is a big box and well packed with folded and formed cardboard instead of Styrofoam for packing.

The vac end of the hose is a standard fitting. Here it is plugged into my CT22.



Here's the vac inside and out of the box





Undo a latch on each side of the vac and the motor unit lifts off the tub. Inside are the manual, a fleece bag, a plastic bag, the two "ears" for the cord storage and a rubber adapter that fits on the tool end of the hose.



The rubber adapter is pliable and has steps molded in. The first step is too small to fit anything Festool but the next step looks like it should fit a sander vac port. So cut that first step off and it looks like it might work.



Ron

Offline rvieceli

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2019, 07:12 PM »
Here are a couple links to very useful documents.

Nilfisk manual

http://www.nilfiskvacuum.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/User-manual-ATTIX-33-44-EN.pdf

Nilfisk Parts List

http://www.nilfiskvacuum.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Parts-List-Attix-44-IC.pdf

Nilfisk Service Manual - detailed pictures of internals, disassembly instructions, wiring diagrams

http://www.nilfiskvacuum.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Service-manual_ATTIX-33-44-VHS-40-42_ver2.pdf

Nilfisk blue line catalogue - accessories on page 114, hose systems on page 148

https://documents.nilfisk.com/Nilfisk/Nilfiskblueline/INT/catalogue/2019-blue-line-cataloue/#/

azzido over on the garage journal did the leg work for these


Ron

Online Mike Goetzke

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2019, 07:35 PM »
Unboxed mine when I got home and best bargain on a tool purchase ever! Out the door goes my shop vac. This it built well, have plenty of suction, and is super quiet.

Only issue is it made me jump when I turned it on - the auto clean filter mechanism is quite loud and unexpected.
 
Thanks again @DynaGlide

Mike

Offline ProCarpenterRVA

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2019, 08:26 PM »
I'm glad to see you guys are jumping on the deal with Flex. I have 3 vacs and 2 are Nilfisk

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Offline mike_aa

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2019, 08:40 PM »
Thanks  @deepcreek  and  @rvieceli  for your detailed posts!

I've been watching these Flex machines since the 33 was first posted for $239 on the Garage Journal.  I was real tempted, but not enough to pull the trigger since I already have several Festool vacs.  That deal went away, but was soon replaced by the 44.  At $180, resistance was futile and I'm waiting for my delivery.  It was scheduled for today, but delayed until tomorrow.  In the meantime, I also picked up the cutaway version of the Giraffe sander from CPO and bought the systainer mount, handle, and some extra bags on Acme tools.  I guess I ended up going in all the way!   [eek]

Mike
« Last Edit: December 05, 2019, 08:41 AM by mike_aa »

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2019, 09:00 PM »
Sure wish my Fein vac died a few days earlier so I could catch that wacky low price.

I’m a bit worried about the low 550 watt rating of the tool port (it’s 2400 watts for the 220 volt version) but I know Festool has ridiculously low ratings printed on the outlet doors of the CT vacs and we regularly pull many more amps than “allowed”. The long 16 gauge power cord might not allow the same?

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2019, 09:42 AM »
Glad some of you were able to get in on this deal. Mine came in yesterday and my reaction was much the same. This thing looks and sounds like a Festool CT. I particularly liked the design of the cord and hose storage, the carrying handles at the base, and the heavy duty locking wheels. Sadly my time with it was short lived as I let it go to @Rob Z . Upon texting him some pictures he hastily made his way over as I think he thought I was serious about changing my mind about selling it to him.  [big grin]

When the UPS guy delivered the VCE 44 vac he surprised me with a VCE 33 as well. My father snuck it in as a Christmas gift that I wasn't expecting when I told him about these vacs a while back. I'm glad I got to play with the VCE 44 that went to Rob for a bit as I'll have to wait until Christmas to unbox mine.
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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2019, 09:48 AM »

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2019, 07:24 AM »
I got my L-Boxx/Systainer adapter in and it fits perfect. Not as easy to use as say a CT hose garage for attaching Systainers but once it's on it isn't going anywhere. Well designed.

Has anyone done leg work on cheapest place to get bags, etc? What does the Milwaukee 8960-20 have in common when it comes to hose diameter and tool end accessories? I see it's 8 gal vs 9gal and 12 gal of the VCE 33 and VCE 44, respectively, assuming a shorter base but identical motor housing.

What about Nilfisk tool ends, which ones to get, if any?

Buried in the comments section on Toolguyd.com I found this comment:

"These guys have all fittings for the vac: https://www.centecsystems.com/home-shop-vacuums/
Good prices; awesome help!

Nilfisk dust bags fit inside. Best price I’ve found is from these guys: https://www.dustdeal.com/
Even tho they are international, they are still affordable; very helpful, too.
Rick"

I'm curious about this set from the centecsystems link:



Assuming it fits on the FLEX hose end then it'd make attachment to my DeWalt miter a breeze. The other piece in the kit looks like it'd fit 27mm tools.

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Online Mike Goetzke

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2019, 08:58 AM »
@DynaGlide

Thanks for your update. This weekend I installed the Boxx/Systainer bracket. Agree, very nice integrated design. Both my Boxx/Systainers fit nicely.

For fittings - I just ordered the Flex 27mm and 36mm adapters (461628/461636) for $26+tax at Lowe's. If they fit looks like those centecsystems fittings are about same price with shipping but you get an additional hose adapter.

I found if you install the included three step Flex adapter in combination with a Bosch VAC004 vac adapter I had allows you to use 2-1/4" cleaning tools. I'm able to attach two straight extensions and use crevice tool, floor sweep...etc (tools from my previous Craftsman vac).

Found the Bosch VAC0990AH vac is very similar to the Flex but found the hose end fittings are more expensive than the Flex.

The OEM felt bag is very impressive quality - almost looks like a re-usable bag.

Mike



Edited - FYI looking at various hose diameters I looked at hose flow area differences (I realize the hose end fitting play a big part in flow restriction too):

27mm = baseline = 1.0
32mm (Flex) = 1.4x (1.4 times the area of 27mm hose)
35mm (Bosch) = 1.7x
36mm = 1.8x
« Last Edit: December 10, 2019, 09:16 AM by Mike Goetzke »

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2019, 01:44 PM »
Over on Amazon I see the Cen-Tec is offered with more information. Their hose is 1.25" (32mm) same as the FLEX as far as I can tell. The flared adapter I posted above look to fit over, not inside, some of Festool's lineup such as the TS55. I'm unable to link to the images but I found them here:

https://www.amazon.com/Cen-Tec-Systems-94181-Universal-Collection/dp/B07P8WBRM2/

Probably better off getting the FLEX 27mm and 36mm adapters @Mike Goetzke posted.
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Offline festal

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2019, 05:03 PM »
Got the 33 model for $250 on black friday.  Working out of 1 car garage so space is at a premium and 44 was too big :)

Online Mike Goetzke

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2019, 05:20 PM »
These are much nicer vacuums than I expected. My plan was to replace my Craftsman shop vac with the Flex 44. I have a CT33 that is probably 12 years old and although it is dusty I have babied it by using it mostly for sanding, mortising, and sometimes with circular saw & pre-seperator. I was going to use the 44 for rougher duty like I used my shop vac but now I'm thinking the opposite - use my CT33 as my shop vac replacement.

Mike

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2019, 05:23 PM »
These are much nicer vacuums than I expected. My plan was to replace my Craftsman shop vac with the Flex 44. I have a CT33 that is probably 12 years old and although it is dusty I have babied it by using it mostly for sanding, mortising, and sometimes with circular saw & pre-seperator. I was going to use the 44 for rougher duty like I used my shop vac but now I'm thinking the opposite - use my CT33 as my shop vac replacement.

Mike

If the current draw isn't an issue then go for it. My FLEX 33 will be my travel around the house as needed. But I plan on setting up a Ridgid shop vac in the garage for messier stuff. I just can't use such nice HEPA vacs for general clean up
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Offline rvieceli

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2019, 11:00 AM »
Has anyone gotten any of the tool ends and report on how they work and which ones.

Thanks

Ron

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2019, 05:29 PM »
I’m probably just going to use an existing Festool hose but if I wanted to use the Flex hose I’d try the CenTec set of nozzles in the link above. The Cen-Tec hose I linked in another thread might be better than the Flex hose. The Flex is 1-1/4” (32mm) all the way through and the Cen-Tec is tapered from 1-1/2” to 1-1/4”.

Online Mike Goetzke

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2019, 05:38 PM »
Has anyone gotten any of the tool ends and report on how they work and which ones.

Thanks

Ron

@rvieceli  Just received my Flex adapters from Lowes. I didn’t put them to actual use but the 27mm fits nicely on my sanders.


Offline rvieceli

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2019, 06:00 PM »
Thanks

Online Mike Goetzke

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2019, 01:13 PM »
Has anyone gotten any of the tool ends and report on how they work and which ones.

Thanks

Ron

@rvieceli  Just received my Flex adapters from Lowes. I didn’t put them to actual use but the 27mm fits nicely on my sanders.

(Attachment Link)

Small update: Is there a trick, or is it just me having difficulty removing the hose fittings from the hose?

For me it is hard to push in both buttons to remove the fitting. Seems much easier to pull off the rubber ends and avoid removing the plastic piece with the two buttons but don’t know if this will over time damage the rubber ends.

Mike

Offline Banana

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2019, 08:52 AM »
Has anyone gotten any of the tool ends and report on how they work and which ones.

Thanks

Ron

@rvieceli  Just received my Flex adapters from Lowes. I didn’t put them to actual use but the 27mm fits nicely on my sanders.

(Attachment Link)

Small update: Is there a trick, or is it just me having difficulty removing the hose fittings from the hose?

For me it is hard to push in both buttons to remove the fitting. Seems much easier to pull off the rubber ends and avoid removing the plastic piece with the two buttons but don’t know if this will over time damage the rubber ends.

Mike


I have nimble fingers but still found the Flex click connectors to be difficult.  I had to pinch in with my finger nails and even then it's not easy nor a one step smooth action.  Seems to be an Asian generic design used by CenTec, Flex and others etc.
Most hose ends will be interchangeable of course so, at first, I ditched the Flex ends for the Nilfisk hose ends. Then later just used the Nilfisk hose I already had.   Flex hose is indeed a very good hose, just prefer the Nilfisk. 
What I like about the Nilfisk hose & ends are that the ends are identified as Anti Stat whereas the Flex fittings don't say anything. The Nilfisk hose has a smoother interior wall.  The vac end connector is ribbed for better grip and the tool end on Nilfisk's version  of a pinch to release connection fits right over my track saw (not a TS) dust port without the need of any adapter end, and won't come off. 
« Last Edit: December 21, 2019, 01:26 PM by Banana »

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2019, 06:00 PM »
stupid question but what is the grey plastic bag used for?  it seem that one end of it is open and has a white plastic string .  How does one use it?

Offline Banana

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2019, 06:23 PM »
stupid question but what is the grey plastic bag used for?  it seem that one end of it is open and has a white plastic string .  How does one use it?

Tub Liner (33 / 44).  Drapes over tub and you drop top over to hold it in place.  When full, you remove top and synch it up like a trash bag for disposal.  (I've already disposed of mine).

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Offline Drich

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2019, 10:43 PM »
So has any one found a vender that sells the flex brand hose ends yet? I want to order that angled cleaning end and the 32 mm end like comes with the 27 mm festool hose as that fits my miter saw well. I sent a email to them but no reply.  I see acme sells some kits but I don't need all of that stuff .

Offline Banana

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2019, 06:06 AM »
So has any one found a vender that sells the flex brand hose ends yet? I want to order that angled cleaning end and the 32 mm end like comes with the 27 mm festool hose as that fits my miter saw well. I sent a email to them but no reply.  I see acme sells some kits but I don't need all of that stuff .


Is this the adapter you’re asking about ?  If so you might have to click on “find a dealer” to order.

List of FLEX vac accessories.

Until FLEX has better distribution in N.A. ( iirc, they wouldn't sell me the FLEX branded L-boxx a while back) this is another reason I just went with the o.e.m. Nilfisk hose ends.  Easy to find adapters, and I feel better made / on par with Fest, Starmix, etc. 

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2019, 08:24 AM »
ohhhh…. now I get it. The knuckleheads supply their hoses with the grey semi tamper resist snap-rings.  If you want to do quick changes you have to order their optional red - ‘Clip-on Quick Clamping Ring 406.023’.

No wonder it’s so difficult to remove the adapters. (wonder if the red protruding ears on the 406.023 will snag or break off?).

« Last Edit: December 23, 2019, 08:26 AM by Banana »

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2019, 09:19 AM »
@Banana Are you sure someone wouldn't instead want the Fast Clip adapter 410.497? It appears to attach semi permanently to the tool adapter but quick release from the hose end using the existing gray ring.
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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2019, 10:36 AM »
@DynaGlide,  I did see the 410.497 but "assumed" the grey & red rings were interchangeable (?).  Thought it might be fewer parts to just swap rings.  But perhaps the red ring is a larger diameter. 
Looking at how the 410.497 connects to a 406.716 etc. I'm guessing you remove the grey ring on the 406.716 and replace it with supplied red ring on the 410.497 ?  Then pop on the rubber reducer supplied with vac.  But if thats what they intend then just a red 'quick' ring should suffice with what was already supplied with vac.

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #36 on: December 23, 2019, 07:07 PM »
stupid question but what is the grey plastic bag used for?  it seem that one end of it is open and has a white plastic string .  How does one use it?

Tub Liner (33 / 44).  Drapes over tub and you drop top over to hold it in place.  When full, you remove top and synch it up like a trash bag for disposal.  (I've already disposed of mine).

Hmm not following .  I saw the picture in the manual but i can't figure it out :)
« Last Edit: December 23, 2019, 07:14 PM by festal »

Offline Drich

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #37 on: December 23, 2019, 09:39 PM »
Yes that is one of the ends I was wanting. So these other brand ones work fine with the flex hose

Offline Banana

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #38 on: December 23, 2019, 10:09 PM »
stupid question but what is the grey plastic bag used for?  it seem that one end of it is open and has a white plastic string .  How does one use it?

Tub Liner (33 / 44).  Drapes over tub and you drop top over to hold it in place.  When full, you remove top and synch it up like a trash bag for disposal.  (I've already disposed of mine).

Hmm not following .  I saw the picture in the manual but i can't figure it out :)


Their logic is that you don’t have to carry, or lift, the tub over to a trash can to dump it with all the dust flying if you buy the plastic liners.  Any contractor plastic bag will do with some tape around inlet.  Prob a good idea for drywall and mdf.

Offline Banana

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #39 on: December 23, 2019, 11:13 PM »
Yes that is one of the ends I was wanting. So these other brand ones work fine with the flex hose


What ever brand hose end that will thread on end of hose will allow that brands accessories to work.  So I think someone here already said they just went with their Festool ends.  But others work too.  In the photo below the flex end works perfectly / threads on to the Nilfisk hose and vice/versa.  fwiw - in the parts diagram the Nilfisk version of a bent nozzle is metal.



Offline festal

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2019, 07:35 AM »
stupid question but what is the grey plastic bag used for?  it seem that one end of it is open and has a white plastic string .  How does one use it?

Tub Liner (33 / 44).  Drapes over tub and you drop top over to hold it in place.  When full, you remove top and synch it up like a trash bag for disposal.  (I've already disposed of mine).

Hmm not following .  I saw the picture in the manual but i can't figure it out :)


Their logic is that you don’t have to carry, or lift, the tub over to a trash can to dump it with all the dust flying if you buy the plastic liners.  Any contractor plastic bag will do with some tape around inlet.  Prob a good idea for drywall and mdf.

Do you use it with the other bag or by itself?  if debris gets sucked in doesn't it just fly out of the opening of the bag while its in use?

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2019, 10:09 AM »
To remove the hose end adapters, squeeze the grey buttons down then yank the adapter. There isn’t a clearly defined depth to depress the buttons to, it’s mostly the yanking that gets the job done.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #42 on: December 24, 2019, 10:28 AM »
“Do you use it with the other bag or by itself? If debris gets sucked in doesn't it just fly out of the opening of the bag while its in use?”

Pretty sure the plastic bag is just a tub liner for use with heavy dust in lieu of the fleece or paper bag. With drywall, plaster, or concrete dust the much more costly filter bags would become useless as filters quickly and just become containers for dust that might break when removing from the tub. The vac is designed to keep working even without the filter bag via the auto-clean function that regularly shakes the main filter.

My first vac that was designed to deal with that kind of troublesome dust was the WAP Turbo Drywaller back in the mid 80’s. I used it once as designed and immediately regretted it. It had a  cylindrical filter reinforced with a wire screen to resist abrasion from the hoop brush that you could plunge down and up from outside the vac when suction diminished. The filter was also oiled for “better efficiency”. It took over an hour to clean out enough to get back to nearly the original flow and I never tackled drywall dust again without the paper bag in place. Other than the time money wasted on the “drywaller” feature that was/is the quietest most industrial vac I’ve owned.

Offline Banana

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #43 on: December 24, 2019, 10:41 AM »
To remove the hose end adapters, squeeze the grey buttons down then yank the adapter. There isn’t a clearly defined depth to depress the buttons to, it’s mostly the yanking that gets the job done.

It's not "how" to take off the connectors, it's the difficulty with grey rings.  No one wants to fight their tools, or they may be wearing gloves, have fat fingers etc. This is probably why Flex calls the red ring their 'Quick' Clamping Ring.

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #44 on: December 24, 2019, 10:45 AM »
Do you use it with the other bag or by itself?  if debris gets sucked in doesn't it just fly out of the opening of the bag while its in use?


Fly out where?  Have you used the vacuum yet?

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #45 on: December 24, 2019, 11:35 AM »
I'm looking at the ones at Lowes and it says 36 mm and 27 mm ones. Is that the outside or inside dia of the fitting end?

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #46 on: December 25, 2019, 08:00 AM »
Do you use it with the other bag or by itself?  if debris gets sucked in doesn't it just fly out of the opening of the bag while its in use?


Fly out where?  Have you used the vacuum yet?

haven't used it yet.  Sorry meant to say fly out of the bag and into the inside of the vacuum.

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #47 on: December 26, 2019, 08:29 AM »
Do you use it with the other bag or by itself?  if debris gets sucked in doesn't it just fly out of the opening of the bag while its in use?


Fly out where?  Have you used the vacuum yet?

haven't used it yet.  Sorry meant to say fly out of the bag and into the inside of the vacuum.


It’s the same concept as lining a trash can with a plastic trash bag.  With tub liner installed media is simply easier to collect & contain during both transport to and while disposing in trash.  Without tub liner media is still collected in tub but you’ll be standing in a cloud of debris dust while dumping instead.  Gravity keeps bulk of media in vac tub (or liner) somewhat similar to a separator bucket, and filter(s) trap the rest.   Recommend you just run the vac and try it out.



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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #48 on: December 26, 2019, 02:38 PM »
I just took my VCE 33 out of the box and first thing I did was cut the last taper section off the tool end. With it gone the tool end of the hose has a surprisingly nice fit inside either the TS55 dust port or on my DeWalt 780 miter saw. Between that and the add on Systainer holder on top I'm very pleased with how nice this vac is especially for the money. I own a CT26 but it's become fixed in place with all the stuff I've mounted to it.
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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #49 on: December 30, 2019, 06:41 PM »
I did finally get a reply back on where to buy parts for the Flex

Good evening,
I apologize for the delay in our response. Is this for a FLEX vacuum? If so, all FLEX parts go through our 3rd party provider, Powerhouse Distributing:

https://powerhousetoolparts.com/

Toll-Free: 402-715-5999

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2020, 09:53 PM »
Another clone (maybe a new source for fittings?):


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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #51 on: January 24, 2020, 10:17 PM »
Another clone (maybe a new source for fittings?):

(Attachment Link)

I've had that one for about 18 months, best vac I've ever owned.  The hose and accessories are great - the fitting on the tool end of the hose fits perfectly over the MT55 dust port, which was a real bonus for me. I also have the optional steel handle and systainer plate.

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #52 on: January 25, 2020, 10:42 AM »
I’ve seen photos of this but thought it was only available in Japan, great to see a North American version with bluetooth.

Nilfisk must really have an aggressive rebranding program (aka  private labeling team) for the Attix 33/44 line.  Milwaukee, Makita, Flex, Mirka, and who knows how many others or others to come.  Since FLEX offers a few accessories Nilfisk doesn’t, as well as hose design change, like you say it will be interesting to see what options Makita offers.
(I would be curious to know if @Lincoln has experience with the Nilfisk red A.S. hoses vs the Makita A.S. hose and if there is a difference in compliancy).

Makita is claiming a “powerful 12amp motor” in their lit.  It’s not.  Motor actually draws around 7~ 8 amps, the same as the other rebrands.  The 12 amp ‘rating’ is the maxed out with a tool plugged into the tool-activated outlet.  Also I believe the 3 dials on the front in the image is wrong, unless you get the Japanese version, the N.A. version will be same as the FLEX with two dials.

I’m unsure if Makita’s bluetooth AWS allows for manual push button vac control like the Festool 202097 but I don’t think it does (anyone know?).  If so it’s strange that they didn’t think of this because that’s cutting in half the benefit of the remote.  Being able to unplug the hose from tool and still control vac at the hose end with a push button is indispensable to me.

I’ve adapted a remote (love it) to my Flex, similar to the Festool 202097, albeit RF (great range), and it allows me to add / pair as many inexpensive additional remotes as like.  So that another identical remote fob affixed to chop saw, sander etc. also works the vac in dual hose ‘Y’ set up’s without needing to unplug hose from the other tool or transfer remote hose collar. 

Photo - neoprene tube sleeve with pocket sewn under - slips on, remote can be removed without taking sleeve off. Had a bunch made up for all the different hoses & diameters so each one has a dedicated remote. (using Nilfisk o.e.m. instead of supplied Flex hose in image).

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #53 on: January 25, 2020, 11:29 AM »
@Banana what remote set up are you using?

Thanks

Ron

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #54 on: January 25, 2020, 11:57 AM »
Was gonna ask the same. The remote is nicely compact and sleek.

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #55 on: January 25, 2020, 01:12 PM »
Looks like @Mike Goetzke was right about possible accessories... 

It's hard to find short Anti-Static Y's but Makita lists this under their new Nilfisk rebrand:
There's nothing in the text that states A.S. but that sticker wasn't put on because they didn't want you touching it.



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@rvieceli  /  @Michael Kellough -  Those remotes and their receivers are just some generic Chinese stuff (what isn't) I picked up because 1) I didn't want an exterior dongle interface between cord and vac  - 2) I wanted to build (hide) receiver inside the vac. 
More on it here - *edited for wonky link - ( http://mafellusersforum.com/thread/968/nilfisk-attix-vacs?page=4 ) . 
But you could build the relay into a box if you wish - I picked up 4 and did just that too because I had one left over.
The amperage problem with relays is when they 'break' contact and arc (normal).  Even though the relays (blue square) are rated for 30amps I would guess when used with a motor they are closer to 10amps (?).  The soft start feature on the Nilfisk shouldn't create any issue on power up fwiw.  All this meaning I'm winging it with what was cheap & available - though it's all been working flawlessly.
Those neoprene hose end sleeves that house remotes I had made, but in the link you'll see I first used a velcro wrist strap with success. 
« Last Edit: January 29, 2020, 07:21 PM by Banana »

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #56 on: January 29, 2020, 02:35 PM »
Is anyone running their track saw off the flex? The outlet says 600W maximum.
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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2020, 04:15 PM »
Is anyone running their track saw off the flex? The outlet says 600W maximum.

My Flex tool plug says 550W, wasn't aware they upgraded it.
In the photo below of the backside of the Flex 33 vac control cover you'll see the tool plug.  That plug is fed directly off the power cord. Meaning, despite the ball of wires you see, it doesn't go through any of the controls or electrically pass through circuit board.  It does loop its neutral wire through a current sensor on the circuit board but that's all it does  - i.e. pass through a sensor ring, it doesn't connect to anything there before returning to the tool plug.  Because of this the tool plug is always hot as soon as you plug in the vac to a wall outlet.

So the rating of that plug has more to do with the amp rating of the supplied power cord sharing current draw with vac motor.

In theory if someone replaced the 16ga. cord with a 12ga. cord then the vac motor & saw motor, which share the same power cord, together won't overheat the new larger gauge cord.



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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #58 on: January 29, 2020, 08:35 PM »
@Banana  great info! Thanks for tracking the wires and the photo.

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #59 on: January 30, 2020, 08:22 AM »
Just keep in mind that 'if' someone were to replace their power cord for the purpose of using a higher amperage tool with the vacuum tool plug they would most likely be pulling over 15amps.  The combo / modification used in portable job site applications might prove to be of little value since you're more likely to find a 15amp circuit / receptacle than you are a 20amp receptacle.  In which case you'd now have to plug the saw (etc.) into a different circuit than the vac anyways.   

Fwiw - this type of vac motor will draw less amps as it is put under suction restriction.  So if you were to measure 8 amps flowing on cord those amps would drop to around 5~6amps if you covered the inlet with your hand.  So the smaller the hose you attach the lower the amp draw.  Turning down the speed of the vac on the front control panel will also lower amp draw (sanders etc.- (Bernie / Colonel). I mention this because if you had a particular tool that was 'slightly' over the wattage rating printed on the vac tool plug you could adjust both hose size and or vacuum speed dial to reduce vac motor amp draw to stay under power cord rating.

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #60 on: January 30, 2020, 11:09 AM »
Thanks again @Banana   this is very interesting.

I knew that turning down the speed control would reduce current draw but I also knew that blocking the airflow would increase it. I guess that idea was based on simple shop vacs that burn out if air flow is blocked for very long.

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #61 on: January 30, 2020, 09:37 PM »
Does anybody know which adapter is compatible with the festool compact cleaning set? The universal hose adapter fitting that came with the vacuum definitely doesn't work with it.

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #62 on: January 30, 2020, 09:42 PM »
Thanks again @Banana   this is very interesting.

I knew that turning down the speed control would reduce current draw but I also knew that blocking the airflow would increase it. I guess that idea was based on simple shop vacs that burn out if air flow is blocked for very long.


Perhaps I should have said "fan type" instead of "motor' type.

My limited understanding is that fan design will determine if amps increase or decrease.  If the amount of air the fan has to move decreases because the resistance to airflow increases then the fan blades can spin easier. This allows the motor RPM to increase and the motor amp draw to decrease.

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #63 on: January 30, 2020, 09:51 PM »
Thanks again @Banana   this is very interesting.

I knew that turning down the speed control would reduce current draw but I also knew that blocking the airflow would increase it. I guess that idea was based on simple shop vacs that burn out if air flow is blocked for very long.

Simple shop vacs use the air flowing thru them to cool the motor. If you block the air flow the motor draws less current, spins faster and overheats.

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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #64 on: February 07, 2020, 10:57 AM »
@Banana Can we get some more details on how you situated and wired in the relay? As well as a link to the relay/remote you ordered?
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Re: FLEX Vacuum
« Reply #65 on: February 07, 2020, 03:14 PM »
*edited - Working on a new solution.  Will update post in the near future.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 12:32 PM by Banana »