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Offline infer

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Offline nvalinski

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2019, 03:08 PM »
Wow! Did you have to modify the plunge base at all for this to work, or does the ring snap on without a problem?

Offline infer

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2019, 01:32 AM »
No mod needed. Plus the new plunge base has a screw on the magnet for adjustment that allows perfect alignment with the blade. Only downside is that the full kit costs more than the two systainer Fein 350QSL.

Offline Joebuck

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2019, 01:44 PM »
For the life of me, I cannot figure out how you adapted the Festool OS-AH plunge base to a FMM350QSL. Am I missing something? Can you please share specific details.

Thanks in advance. 

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2019, 03:49 PM »
For the life of me, I cannot figure out how you adapted the Festool OS-AH plunge base to a FMM350QSL. Am I missing something? Can you please share specific details.

Thanks in advance.

You basically screw on the supplied collar, and away you go.

Offline Joebuck

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2019, 04:47 PM »
The supplied collar does not fit over the starlock head. It appears the head needs to be removed.

I appreciate your help with this.


Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2019, 05:00 PM »
The supplied collar does not fit over the starlock head. It appears the head needs to be removed.

I appreciate your help with this.

The earlier collar for the corded Vecturo, is smaller in diameter than the later version designed for the Vecturo OSC 18.

I have the later version on my Starlock Supercut.

See here: http://festoolownersgroup.com/other-tool-reviews/fein-18-volt-supercut-(afsc18q-(sl)/

Offline Joebuck

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2019, 05:28 PM »
That’s the answer. I bought the earlier version part # 500251. Thank you, thank you, thank you!


Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2019, 02:34 AM »
That’s the answer. I bought the earlier version part # 500251. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

You’re very welcome, it’s a really nice addition to the tool and gives it a whole new set of uses.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2019, 08:36 AM »
The earlier collar for the corded Vecturo, is smaller in diameter than the later version designed for the Vecturo OSC 18.

I have the later version on my Starlock Supercut.

See here: http://festoolownersgroup.com/other-tool-reviews/fein-18-volt-supercut-(afsc18q-(sl)/

So @Jiggy Joiner , does the new plunge base and vacuum accessories fit a corded Vecturo?

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2019, 12:56 PM »
@Cheese I’m almost certain, that unfortunately it will not fit.
The main reason being blade fitment, the corded Vecturo has the same blade fitment as the older type Supercut (non Starlock) where as the 18 volt Vecturo, and latest Supercut are Starlock.

The Starlock blade head is larger in diameter, and I think shallower than the Supercut fitment.
So this would probably also cause issues between the blade and magnet.

Tell you what Cheese, I’ve just thought, I have a couple of older Supercuts (non Starlock) I’ll dig one out tomorrow and try it, and I’ll report back, as the blade head should be the same as a corded Vecturo.

Leave it with me.

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2019, 02:27 PM »
@Cheese I did a bit of testing this afternoon, excuse the photos, as there was no power at the workshop or close by buildings today, so the light wasn’t great.

I got an older cordless Supercut, to compare with a later Starlock Supercut, so I’ll refer to old one as Supercut, and the newer one as Starlock.

I am almost certain, the Supercut has exactly the same head as a corded Vecturo, so this comparison should be the same with a corded Vecturo.

This shows that the Starlock head protrudes further than the Supercut:







Supercut head protrusion:



Starlock head protrusion:



Supercut head diameter:



Starlock head diameter:



A genuine Supercut blade cannot be mounted, as the collar protrudes too far out:



You can see it clearer here:



So the Supercut blades are no go but, I then used the adaptor, and fitted an after market blade. The blade mounted easily, no problem:



This created another hurdle though, as the adaptor extends the head protrusion, it puts the blade too far from the base magnet:





The dust port will work to some extent with after market blades, and the adaptor but, it’s further from the blade to what it should be:





After market blade and depth stop works but, again the blade is further away from the stop than it should be:



Same with the depth stop shoe type:



So, generally not a great result. I was wondering if a larger magnet could be used to take up the gap at the blade but, then thought even if it could, the extraction at the base would probably suffer?

There seems to be quite a lot of confusion with the accessory sets, I actually nearly bought the wrong one myself.
Maybe Festool could put in the description, which machines they are designed, or will work with?

Sorry it wasn’t better news Cheese, I was hoping it would work.










Offline Cheese

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2019, 11:41 PM »
@Cheese I did a bit of testing this afternoon, excuse the photos, as there was no power at the workshop or close by buildings today, so the light wasn’t great.

I got an older cordless Supercut, to compare with a later Starlock Supercut, so I’ll refer to old one as Supercut, and the newer one as Starlock.

I am almost certain, the Supercut has exactly the same head as a corded Vecturo, so this comparison should be the same with a corded Vecturo.


Thanks @Jiggy Joiner for the in-depth reporting. 🙏🙏

Because you were so thorough in your evaluation, measurements and photographs, I was able to verify that the head diameter on my Vecturo is 29.66 mm, while the head protrusion is 15 mm.  It is indeed the same equivalent machine as you've measured in your review.

I really wish there was some way to utilize the new vacuum components on the older Vecturo because that's what the original Vecturo always lacked. I never did understand Festool's reason for releasing a non-vacuum model while Fein offered the same model but with vacuum assist.  [dead horse].  Goofy...just plain Goofy.

I've used the Vecturo and also the corded Fein extensively for cutting in HVAC vents in a 3/4" thick wooden strip floor. Before they came up with the plunge base for the Vecturo, I fabricated an aluminum jig for the Fein that was adhered to the floor using double-stick tape. However, the missing element in both of these solutions...vacuum assist.  [crying] [crying] [crying]


« Last Edit: August 04, 2019, 11:43 PM by Cheese »

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2019, 02:35 AM »
Hi Cheese, I totally agree, it’s like having two identical machines on offer without one having an advantage over the other?

The plunge base was a godsend for me, as we’re often cutting traps into wooden flooring, which used to involve a piece of angle iron as a guide, and a vacuum head attached with duct tape!

The corded Vecturo, and earlier Fein machines are very popular and very much still in use, so it would be nice if Festool could modify the earlier attachment kit, or Fein could make something.  [unsure]

Offline rst

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2019, 11:54 AM »
This thread makes me very glad that I bought my corded and cordless Supercut before the new "improved blade attachment system" came out.  I bought the Vecturo attachments as soon as I saw the were Fein compatible.

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2019, 12:02 PM »
To be fair though, the later Starlock fitment Supercut, is a better tool than it's predecessor, and by quite some margin. The latest cordless Supercuts that I have now, are what I expected the previous model to be. Sadly, it wasn't.  [sad]

Offline Warg

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2020, 06:39 PM »
Sorry to drag up an old thread, but trying to get a definitive answer and avoid an expensive mistake. Does anybody know if this new Venturo plunge base will fit on a 2019 cordless Multimaster model AFMM18 qsl? (Standard multimaster not super cut)


Assuming it is Festool part 203254 being used?

Many thanks

Offline James Carriere

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2020, 12:26 AM »
That's my set-up, it fits.  The challenge is in finding longer blades as the Supercut blades do not fit the MM.  There are some out there however.  I think I ended up using Bosch blades.


Offline Warg

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2020, 02:16 AM »
That's my set-up, it fits.  The challenge is in finding longer blades as the Supercut blades do not fit the MM.  There are some out there however.  I think I ended up using Bosch blades.


Ahh didn’t think of that. What blade length is needed for it to work? Obviously depends how deep you need to plunge, but just generally speaking I had this problem a while back and longest fein blade I could find was 60mm, would this work or is there a minimum length required for the base?

Thanks.
« Last Edit: April 08, 2020, 02:28 AM by Warg »

Offline James Carriere

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2020, 10:29 AM »
I’ll check the specs today on what I have and get back to you on the blade specifics.  I did not find Fein blades that were long enough with a compatible mount.

Offline jarbroen

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2020, 05:47 PM »
Glad I read this thread.  I have the new kit on order and didn't know about the blade length. 
Good thing I didn't purchase a bunch of Fein blades already... :D

Another cool accessory that fits the new Fein MM is the bench mount.  It's actually made by Fein and tougher to find.  I think I ordered it from Germany or UK last year.  As I was writing this I searched and found that Beaver Industrial has it - part 92602083010 'Fein Table & Drill Stand'.  I haven't used it a lot, but it's really good for smaller/detailed work.

Offline Warg

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2020, 05:59 PM »
So after a bit more reading about things, am I correct in thinking the new 18v vecturo is basically a fein supercut but different colour? Or is there any differences in performance?

Would this then mean that all of the Vecturo attachments are compatible with supercut?

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2020, 06:35 PM »
So after a bit more reading about things, am I correct in thinking the new 18v vecturo is basically a fein supercut but different colour? Or is there any differences in performance?

Would this then mean that all of the Vecturo attachments are compatible with supercut?

They are more or less the same machine but, the Vecturo is a slightly different shape, and different battery type.
IIRC the power and performance and anti vibe are identical, and either of these machines will not disappoint.
The Vecturo 18v plunge base accessory kit fits the 18v Supercut perfectly, I did a post when I bought the accessory kit for my Supercut. See here: https://festoolownersgroup.com/index.php?pretty;board=other-tool-reviews;topic=fein-18-volt-supercut-(afsc18q-(sl).0 
I went with the Supercut, simply because I have a fair few batteries from my previous Fein machines.

Offline Warg

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2020, 07:00 PM »
So after a bit more reading about things, am I correct in thinking the new 18v vecturo is basically a fein supercut but different colour? Or is there any differences in performance?

Would this then mean that all of the Vecturo attachments are compatible with supercut?

They are more or less the same machine but, the Vecturo is a slightly different shape, and different battery type.
IIRC the power and performance and anti vibe are identical, and either of these machines will not disappoint.
The Vecturo 18v plunge base accessory kit fits the 18v Supercut perfectly, I did a post when I bought the accessory kit for my Supercut. See here: https://festoolownersgroup.com/index.php?pretty;board=other-tool-reviews;topic=fein-18-volt-supercut-(afsc18q-(sl).0 
I went with the Supercut, simply because I have a fair few batteries from my previous Fein machines.


Thank you very much for the detailed reply. That’s great news the Vecturo accessories are compatible, one thing that is very much lacking from Fein IMO, and Festool’s being the masters at this makes for a great combo!

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2020, 11:10 PM »
@Warg No problem, you’re welcome.
By the way, I checked earlier, and the power from both machines are the same.
They really are the most powerful cordless multi tools out there, although I still haven’t had a chance to trial the Bosch machine.
The Vecturo and Supercut, really are the equivalent power to the mains versions, and now the anti vibe has been sorted, they are a pleasure to use.

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2020, 02:52 AM »
One Plus from the SuperCut that made me buy it, was the advantage of the Fein „Multivolt“ platform.
It can use all Fein batteries from 12V to 18V.
I purchased a single 12V 2ah. It is charged by the same charger that comes with the unit but allows you to have a fairly light tool in hand for the awkward cuts overhead or in tight spaces.

Love the SuperCut!


Offline Warg

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2020, 03:13 AM »
@Jiggy Joiner  I’ve still not had the chance to get out and see the Vecturo under the obvious circumstances just now but most likely just go for a supercut as I have a few Fein batteries already.

That’s new to me that the supercut can also use the 12v batteries, another additional welcome feature! Thanks for letting me know, appreciate it.

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Fein Multimaster QSL Festool plug it and new plunge base
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2020, 01:11 PM »
@Jiggy Joiner  I’ve still not had the chance to get out and see the Vecturo under the obvious circumstances just now but most likely just go for a supercut as I have a few Fein batteries already.

That’s new to me that the supercut can also use the 12v batteries, another additional welcome feature! Thanks for letting me know, appreciate it.

Yes, makes sense to make use of any existing batteries you have, and all said and done, Fein have always lead the field with multi tools, even the Vecturo is made by Fein.
Yes sorry, I had forgotten the bonus of being able to use multi voltage batteries. Definitely a win, win.  [thumbs up]