Author Topic: Feedback on Harvey G700 owners (Read 32188 times)

MaymunBaba · « **on:** April 30, 2020, 02:51 PM »

I did looked at the Harvey G700 while back and cost combined with 5micron filters stop me going forward with the purchase.
Now that 0.3 micron HEPA filter and special pricing, I am ready to pull the trigger.

Small shop with single user, not looking fancy setups. More into single device dust collection, quiet operations as possible, HEPA filtration and easy bin emptying. My CT36 covers my domino and sanders, track saw,... This will be focus on table saw, planer, jointer,...

Wanted to get feedback from any existing owners on reliability, easy of use and overall value.

Thanks.

xedos · « **Reply #1 on:** April 30, 2020, 03:22 PM »

I rate the overall value as poor. It's a clever package , being able to fit under some benches, but it ends there.

For 300 bucks less, you can buy a Felder RL140 that has twice the suction and 60% more waste capacity. Their 125 is $700 less and still has 60% more airflow. Both have a smaller footprint and a solid reputation. Harvey isn't junk , but they certainly are no Felder in terms of quality or reputation.

I know where the majority of the Felder cost is - in European materials and labor. The Harvey ? Not sure I can't justify their price given the build.

jeffinsgf · « **Reply #2 on:** April 30, 2020, 03:36 PM »

Not sure what your decision criteria are, but if I were looking for a high-end dust collector right now, I would be looking at Oneida. We just put a Mini-Gorilla in the model shop, and it is fantastic. Their new SuperCell looks to be an interesting design.

Jim Kirkpatrick · « **Reply #3 on:** April 30, 2020, 04:23 PM »

I believe the special pricing the OP mentioned was $2500. I’m interested in hearing about it too

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ChuckS · « **Reply #4 on:** April 30, 2020, 05:06 PM »

Several reviews out there seem to be related to the manufacturer or dealers or parties including, perhaps, this one too:

xedos · « **Reply #5 on:** April 30, 2020, 05:10 PM »

Quote from: Jim Kirkpatrick on April 30, 2020, 04:23 PM

I believe the special pricing the OP mentioned was $2500. I’m interested in hearing about it too

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Where did that come from ? Baba didn't mention a number and the 700 was "introduced" four years ago at $4 grand. A quick search doesn't show pricing anywhere near that now either.

The SuperCell is clever idea too, and has a place in some shops that are limited on space and don't want to have a vacuum too. Baba already has a CT - so SuperCell is not a good fit because it's compromised for use with a tablesaw and planer especially.

If someone will link a G700 for 2500 bones , I'll buy one tonite. At that price it's a decent deal for a smallish collector.

MaymunBaba · « **Reply #6 on:** April 30, 2020, 05:34 PM »

I had an email from Bridge City Tool Works and have a discount code. Total comes $2590 + $160 for delivery to TX.
Just clicked buy.

I am assuming no harm sharing the discount code...
Use Discount Code:956511
At checkout to get your saving!

If you thinking to buy Bridge City Tools, lots of discount codes ... Saving looks like 40%.

Hope this helps!

MaymunBaba · « **Reply #7 on:** April 30, 2020, 05:41 PM »

Quote from: jeffinsgf on April 30, 2020, 03:36 PM

Not sure what your decision criteria are, but if I were looking for a high-end dust collector right now, I would be looking at Oneida. We just put a Mini-Gorilla in the model shop, and it is fantastic. Their new SuperCell looks to be an interesting design.

My second choice was supercell. As much as I like to buy Made in America, my personal experience with Oneida was not positive

dlu · « **Reply #8 on:** May 11, 2020, 11:47 PM »

Quote from: jeffinsgf on April 30, 2020, 03:36 PM

Not sure what your decision criteria are, but if I were looking for a high-end dust collector right now, I would be looking at Oneida. We just put a Mini-Gorilla in the model shop, and it is fantastic. Their new SuperCell looks to be an interesting design.

Noise level and space are high on my list.

MaymunBaba · « **Reply #9 on:** May 12, 2020, 04:50 PM »

Just received it this morning. I say pretty fast shipping. Did able to dismount from crate on my own with some ‘engineer’ thinking.
Electrician is due Friday for the circuit...

For now I like:
Fast shipping
Easy install

Will try to collect data and share next week.

Jim Kirkpatrick · « **Reply #10 on:** May 12, 2020, 08:12 PM »

I just got an email from Harvey for $2190 use discount code 609961

https://www.harveywoodworking.com/products/gyro-air-g700-dust-processor

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MaymunBaba · « **Reply #11 on:** May 13, 2020, 08:37 AM »

Also appears to be the regular price of the unit is dropped to $2990 on their web site.
Not such a big bargain compare to $4k+ prices couple weeks ago.

ChuckS · « **Reply #12 on:** May 13, 2020, 08:48 AM »

Price dropping is necessary if they are not selling any of them in this part of the world. Unknown to anyone here, they should've started with an aggressive marketing effort (a price set at cost or below) to develop a base of users/ product ambassadors. I think John of Bridge City Tools got the first unit in the US (2 years ago?). But he is not doing much woodworking and sharing builds on social media. In other words, there is no active product promotion.

Personally, I am not concerned about its technology and reliability as Harvey is an established machine manufacturer, but there aren't enough units to go around for user or service support feedback. May be with this price reduction is what they're trying to build up.

jgt1942nc · « **Reply #13 on:** May 27, 2020, 07:36 PM »

I'm in the market for a DC, in my previous shop I had a HF 2HP with a Thien baffle. It seemed to work great with the limitation of a 2hp motor. I was looking at the CV1800 with the 16" impeller and the Oneida Supercell. During the study, I ran across the G700 and have been impressed by various videos and Stuart Kent at "the NC Furniture School". I live within 2 hours of his school and plan to make an appointment to see his setup. He has two G700 and plans to get a G800 to replace a cyclone DC he has also been using.

At this time I'm very seriously considering the G700 and will make my final decision when I visit Stuart. He has had one G700 now for about 7/8 years and has been very pleased with it and the 2nd unit he now has.

Things I like about the unit are.

Low noise level
Easy to move if necessary, however at this time I don't plan on moving it around
HEPA filter
It has a warning buzzer when the bin is near full, if you ignore it when the bin is full the unit shuts off
Stuart has been using his one unit for 7/8 years and has NOT had the need to replace the filters and feels that they will last several more years. Because he has a woodworking school, it is common for him to use the DCs 10 hours each day during classes.
Very easy to empty the bin and the larger section is only 35 gal. This is great for me, as I get older I don't have the strength for anything larger.

mwolczko · « **Reply #14 on:** May 27, 2020, 11:42 PM »

I’m not in the market for one, but coincidentally got an email this a.m. from Bridge City about a flash sale: 5 units available, $1990 with code 516371 until 3am PST tomorrow.

https://www.harveywoodworking.com/collections/gyro-airs/products/gyro-air-g700-dust-processor?mc_cid=73f48d0dfb&mc_eid=c196407b75

jgt1942nc · « **Reply #15 on:** June 12, 2020, 01:08 PM »

I did order the G700 through The North Carolina Furniture School on 05/29. Yesterday I received my unit and watched the video Next Level Carpentry-Gyro Air G700 Dust Processor Unboxing and StartUp (). For me, the main obstacle will be getting the unit off of the pallet. I still need to order some flex line, for now I will move the connection to the machine I'm using. I know this will become a royal pain for me but I'm still in the process of setting up my shop after a move. Also because of health issues, I cannot work full days. Sometimes just after a short period, I need to call it quits for the day.

jgt1942nc · « **Reply #16 on:** June 12, 2020, 04:20 PM »

Success, removing the pallet was not as difficult as I had imagined and I was able to do it without any help. YEA!!

Remove the DC bin and then remove the four lag bolts, you need an 18mm wrench.
At the end with the power cord you can find two support legs, turn the red handles to
raise legs up about 25mm (1 inch). You will need an open-end 18mm wrench.
On the end without the power cord remove the nails from the three blocks.
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I raised the entire unit by placing a short 4x4 under a corner and inserting a 4x4 block. I did this for all four corners and then using the same method I inserted a short piece of 2x4, thus each corner was raised almost 6". I then drove a prybar under the support brace and pried it up.
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There is a support brace on both sides, I repeated the removal of the 2nd brace.
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I then removed the blocks from each corner, first the 2x4, after they were removed I then removed the 4x4. I did this as two steps just to ensure I did not encounter issues by removing both blocks at the same time.
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On the end without the power cord I placed two 4x4 (about 6" long) under the pallet. This was to reduce the pressure on the bottom section of the pallet. The image shows one block but I did install two.
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On each side I inserted a 2x4 under the bottom of the pallet about the midway point between the two blocks (sorry no image).
Using a wood chisel I was easily able to cut through the 3/4" plywood. The plywood used is very cheap and weak.
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Nw it was time to remove the 4x4 blocks, as I removed one I did insert a short 2x4 slightly thicker than the 2x4 I was using as my level.
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I then removed the two short 2x4's.
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At this time the top of the pallet was resting on the floor.
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The unit was very easy to move off of the pallet. As the end with two support legs (the ones with the red handles) moved across the middle of the pallet they did offer resistance, helping me to control the unit.
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I really don't know how long the process took but I'd guess it was about an hour, mainly because I had to think about each step and resolve some new issue. As you know thinking can be taxing and wear you out. I'm finished for the day and happy!!!

jgt1942nc · « **Reply #17 on:** June 12, 2020, 04:32 PM »

There appears to be an issue with the forum. As you can see the images I included did not make it. Initially, only one image made it. I "modified" the post and added one image. The thumbnail is upside-down but when you mouse over the image it will display correctly.
I was not able to add more pictures, I get an error - "Your attachment couldn't be saved. This might happen because it took too long to upload or the file is bigger than the server will allow. Please consult your server administrator for more information."

MaymunBaba · « **Reply #18 on:** June 12, 2020, 08:28 PM »

I making some dust with it for 2 weeks or so. 4 bins of dust for now...

Had a small problem with bolts & nuts for the wheels fall off! Was pain to screw them back on, check them and tighten them as needed. Also if you are using Nordfab, 6" Machine adapter (3249-0600-100000), G700 inlet is too big for it to work.I will be playing with workarounds, Nordfab adj nipple 6" (3202-0600-100000) fits nicely, may cut that. Will know more if I can get it going this weekend.

Reported what I mentioned to info AT harveywoodworking.com, looks like currently answers are coming from China and communication is a problem. When I have time and collect some more data I may try the phone # and talk to someone in US.

Overall I am happy with it, I do have some concerns on ability to capture all dust on low speed(low noise). I found more dust on my filters than I would expect to find with 4 bin worth of dust.

I will be doing some db test and check the air quality coming from filters. Will also planing to start running full speed to identify if dust showing up on filters related to me running it slow speed.

Also, Jason Bents, Bent's woodworking have installed it recently in his new shop. There are some videos on youtube and instagram. Probably we will learn more from Jason, his initial setup he was happy with the performance of unit.Not sure any of us have enough run-time to make any conclusion other than so far good.

jgt1942nc · « **Reply #19 on:** June 13, 2020, 01:06 PM »

OK here is a PDF of my process of removing the unit off of the pallet.

jgt1942nc · « **Reply #20 on:** June 13, 2020, 01:25 PM »

Quote from: MaymunBaba on June 12, 2020, 08:28 PM

I making some dust with it for 2 weeks or so. 4 bins of dust for now...

Had a small problem with bolts & nuts for the wheels fall off! Was pain to screw them back on, check them and tighten them as needed. Also if you are using Nordfab, 6" Machine adapter (3249-0600-100000), G700 inlet is too big for it to work.I will be playing with workarounds, Nordfab adj nipple 6" (3202-0600-100000) fits nicely, may cut that. Will know more if I can get it going this weekend.

Reported what I mentioned to info AT harveywoodworking.com, looks like currently answers are coming from China and communication is a problem. When I have time and collect some more data I may try the phone # and talk to someone in US.

Overall I am happy with it, I do have some concerns on ability to capture all dust on low speed(low noise). I found more dust on my filters than I would expect to find with 4 bin worth of dust.

I will be doing some db test and check the air quality coming from filters. Will also planing to start running full speed to identify if dust showing up on filters related to me running it slow speed.

Also, Jason Bents, Bent's woodworking have installed it recently in his new shop. There are some videos on youtube and instagram. Probably we will learn more from Jason, his initial setup he was happy with the performance of unit.Not sure any of us have enough run-time to make any conclusion other than so far good.

Ref the Norfab fitting. I have been successful with PVC and a heat gun. If you have access to a lathe, turn a round cylinder, about 6-10" long, the diameter of the G700 fitting. Taper one end to the dia of the Norfab fitting.
Use the heat gun to heat the Norfab fitting, rotating it to heat all sides the same amount, e.g. constantly rotating the fitting.
After a few minutes, test to see if you have applied enough heat by pushing the small end of the cylinder into the Norfab fitting. If you have applied enough heat then it should easily expand and should expand evenly. Slide the cylinder in enough to resize about 3" or so.
The heat gun I have is a dual heat (low & high), I use the high setting and was purchased from Ace.

I just Googled your fitting and see that it is stainless steel. Thus it will be necessary for you to pick up a 6" PVC coupling or short piece of 6" pipe and resize it for the G700 on one end and the Norfab on the other end.

When resizing PVC to a larger dia it is reasonably easy. If you need to make the PVC smaller it is possible but more of a challange.

Jim Kirkpatrick · « **Reply #21 on:** June 14, 2020, 09:29 AM »

With all the assembly and performance issues you've had, sounds like there are better and cheaper options out there. Thanks for posting.

Kraftt · « **Reply #22 on:** June 14, 2020, 11:13 AM »

Regarding moving machine from pallet to floor,

What am I missing here.. when you raise threaded feet out of the way (while still on pallet) isn't the machine now resting on wheels?
If so wouldn't making an 8ft ramp out of some scrap ply & wood, connected to end of pallet, suffice to roll machine off onto floor?
...~~and straight through garage door out into the street~~...

MaymunBaba · « **Reply #23 on:** June 16, 2020, 05:07 PM »

Quick update for my limited experience (6 bin of dust):
- Nordfab adj nipple 6" (3202-0600-100000), cut with jigsaw and fitted almost perfectly with rubber seal.
- dB reading low speed(40Hz): 69-70dB high speed (74Hz) 84dB. Need to tighten the back panel as it was rattling initially.
- Temp setup with Nordfab parts, getting consistent suction, my calc probably 700+CFM range
- Filter cleaning easy. Only comment I will make now (with my limited use) is that filter cleaning will need to be done more often. I started to build a habit of every time I empty bin...
- As imagined moving from 4" to 6" made a huge difference on performance of dust collection for me. Not having prior direct experience, all I can say is I am happy with the performance.

My next project I will need to mill 100bf or so, I will do filter/particle test then if time allows and share my data.

MaymunBaba · « **Reply #24 on:** June 16, 2020, 05:11 PM »

Quote from: Banana on June 14, 2020, 11:13 AM

Regarding moving machine from pallet to floor,

What am I missing here.. when you raise threaded feet out of the way (while still on pallet) isn't the machine now resting on wheels?
If so wouldn't making an 8ft ramp out of some scrap ply & wood, connected to end of pallet, suffice to roll machine off onto floor?
...~~and straight through garage door out into the street~~...

There is additional ply wood under, 3"width, 2 rows 6"-8" apart long way. So you have to lift the unit to the ramp or cut the the pieces and roll...

MaymunBaba · « **Reply #25 on:** June 16, 2020, 05:15 PM »

Quote from: jgt1942nc on June 13, 2020, 01:25 PM

Quote from: MaymunBaba on June 12, 2020, 08:28 PM
I making some dust with it for 2 weeks or so. 4 bins of dust for now...

Had a small problem with bolts & nuts for the wheels fall off! Was pain to screw them back on, check them and tighten them as needed. Also if you are using Nordfab, 6" Machine adapter (3249-0600-100000), G700 inlet is too big for it to work.I will be playing with workarounds, Nordfab adj nipple 6" (3202-0600-100000) fits nicely, may cut that. Will know more if I can get it going this weekend.

Reported what I mentioned to info AT harveywoodworking.com, looks like currently answers are coming from China and communication is a problem. When I have time and collect some more data I may try the phone # and talk to someone in US.

Overall I am happy with it, I do have some concerns on ability to capture all dust on low speed(low noise). I found more dust on my filters than I would expect to find with 4 bin worth of dust.

I will be doing some db test and check the air quality coming from filters. Will also planing to start running full speed to identify if dust showing up on filters related to me running it slow speed.

Also, Jason Bents, Bent's woodworking have installed it recently in his new shop. There are some videos on youtube and instagram. Probably we will learn more from Jason, his initial setup he was happy with the performance of unit.Not sure any of us have enough run-time to make any conclusion other than so far good.

Ref the Norfab fitting. I have been successful with PVC and a heat gun. If you have access to a lathe, turn a round cylinder, about 6-10" long, the diameter of the G700 fitting. Taper one end to the dia of the Norfab fitting.
Use the heat gun to heat the Norfab fitting, rotating it to heat all sides the same amount, e.g. constantly rotating the fitting.
After a few minutes, test to see if you have applied enough heat by pushing the small end of the cylinder into the Norfab fitting. If you have applied enough heat then it should easily expand and should expand evenly. Slide the cylinder in enough to resize about 3" or so.
The heat gun I have is a dual heat (low & high), I use the high setting and was purchased from Ace.

I just Googled your fitting and see that it is stainless steel. Thus it will be necessary for you to pick up a 6" PVC coupling or short piece of 6" pipe and resize it for the G700 on one end and the Norfab on the other end.

When resizing PVC to a larger dia it is reasonably easy. If you need to make the PVC smaller it is possible but more of a challange.

Good ideas, thank you for sharing. I wanted to keep the metal path all the way to manage the static electricity. When I opened up the unit and look around inside, it is definetly good job/ design on managing static electricity. My opinion was that to carry that forward with metal piping, avoid PVC if I can.

jgt1942nc · « **Reply #26 on:** June 22, 2020, 12:35 AM »

MaymunBaba - I agree, staying with metal pipe is the best option but it is also the most expensive. For a few months, I will have to get by with 4" flex that I purchased from Rockler. Air Handling (see https://airhand.com/) has metal pipe as well as flex. I've been told that they have the best price but I'm not sure at this time. In the flex pipe, this is recommended by Harvey > https://airhand.com/product/hobby-shop-flexible-hose-u15/, it comes in either 12 1/5' or 25'. They also have a light gauge metal pipe that is also recommended by Harvey, see https://airhand.com/product-category/woodworking-hobby-shop-light-gauge-solution-for-spiral-pipe-fittings-and-hose/

I'm leaning toward the metal as well but it will be a few months before I do something. I need to finalize the shop setup and I have a few other higher priority projects.

I also need to determine which machines will be connected to the G700 and which will use shopvacs with a Thien Baffle. I've decided to connect my bandsaw to a shopvac, see my post at https://www.lumberjocks.com/topics/309954#reply-5303735 After making the adapter I'm SUPER pleased with the dust collection on the bandsaw.

jgt1942nc · « **Reply #27 on:** July 07, 2020, 01:40 PM »

Quote from: Banana on June 14, 2020, 11:13 AM

Regarding moving machine from pallet to floor,

What am I missing here.. when you raise threaded feet out of the way (while still on pallet) isn't the machine now resting on wheels?
If so wouldn't making an 8ft ramp out of some scrap ply & wood, connected to end of pallet, suffice to roll machine off onto floor?
...~~and straight through garage door out into the street~~...

I'm not sure if you meant this for me but..... I did raise the threaded feet out of the way. I don't recall if I had already removed the two long blocks that the G700 was bolted to or I did it at this time. Once they were removed and the threaded feet were out of the way the G700 was setting on the shipping pallet.
I positioned the G700 near one end of the pallet, from the other end I then removed the blocks between the top and bottom of the pallet at that end. Now only the pallet center and other end blocks remained.
I then removed sections of the 3" wide strips that were part of the pallet and on the floor.
I now pushed the G700 toward the end of the pallet where the blocks had been removed. Because the pallet was made from VERY low-grade plywood it easily flexed toward the floor until it rested on the floor.
I continued to push the G700 forward off of the pallet. At one point the G700 did bind on the pallet but it was easy to continue pushing the G700 off.
As the G700 wheels rolled off of the pallet base plywood they did have a 3/4" drop but this did not introduce any problems.
The G700 was now off the pallet.

mrt076 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 07, 2020, 05:56 PM »

Thank you for starting this thread. I too am contemplating the G700 at this price, now. Can anyone tell me if I don’t consider noise as a factor, am I better off to spend a couple hundred more and go with the Oneida V System 3000, 3hp cyclone? In currently have a 2hp Grizzly and the performance with an aftermarket Wynn Hepa filter isn’t good enough for me and wondering if 2hp on the G700 won’t be that much of improvement. I also need enough airflow for a 15” stationary planer, 8” jointer, and 3hp Sawstop PCS.

The other thing I am suspicious of is Harvey won’t address my question when I asked for a fan curve and how they based there CFM measurements. The responses/communication from Harvey has been only from China and their US office won’t answer the phone or respond to emails...

ChuckS · « **Reply #29 on:** July 07, 2020, 08:00 PM »

Quote from: mrt076 on July 07, 2020, 05:56 PM

Snip.

The other thing I am suspicious of is Harvey won’t address my question when I asked for a fan curve and how they based there CFM measurements. The responses/communication from Harvey has been only from China and their US office won’t answer the phone or respond to emails...

On this point alone, I'd go with the Oneida which is based in the same country you're in, and unless contradicted otherwise, it should provide better customer service in case something goes wrong. I'd also go with the 3HP cyclone.