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Offline Bugsysiegals

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Dust Deputy vs Ultimate Dust Deputy?
« on: September 28, 2020, 02:52 PM »
I'm considering to add something in front of the CT 36 E to remove dust, keep the bag empty, and suction working well.  I believe Dust Deputy is the one most here might be using?  Are you using the one for $300 which goes on top of the vac or the one which sits on top of a bucket?  Do you need any additional Festool hoses with these?

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Offline WillAdams

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Re: Dust Deputy vs Ultimate Dust Deputy?
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2020, 03:43 PM »
I bought the Oneida Ultimate Dust Deputy for my Festool CT Midi for use as dust collection for my CNC machines.

Didn't need any extra hoses and things went together well (had to enlarge a couple of holes).

It works well, but it's a little annoying in that:

 - it's really tall
 - the locks to hold it in place aren't as persistent as I'd like --- need to be careful moving it --- not a big deal for CNC usage, but it becomes something of an issue when using it for general cleanup
 - it blocks the hose storage garage and the CT Midi at least doesn't have a provision for the electrical cord

Online JD2720

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Re: Dust Deputy vs Ultimate Dust Deputy?
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2020, 04:58 PM »
I have the Dust Deputy with the bucket. It has worked fine for me.
The Dust Deputy Deluxe kit includes everything you need

Offline Josh2

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Re: Dust Deputy vs Ultimate Dust Deputy?
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2020, 05:29 PM »
The bucket is this one right? https://www.oneida-air.com/dust-deputy/wet-dry-vacuum-kits/dust-deputy-deluxe-cyclone-separator-kit

Does work with Festool CT out of the box?  Compatible with the CT MINI I?

Thanks!

Offline Peter_C

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Re: Dust Deputy vs Ultimate Dust Deputy?
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2020, 06:51 PM »
Why not buy Festool's version? https://www.festoolusa.com/products/dust-extraction/pre-separator/204083---ct-va-20

I have a Dust Deputy basic one. The bucket you put under it is important. No cheapo Lowes, or HD buckets, but buy the $7.00 buckets and stronger lids, or drywall mud buckets work great.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Dust Deputy vs Ultimate Dust Deputy?
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2020, 08:23 PM »
Just nest two cheap buckets.

Offline JimD

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Re: Dust Deputy vs Ultimate Dust Deputy?
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2020, 09:24 PM »
I use  Rigid shop vac with the bucket dust deputy.  I connect them with PVC plumbing pieces heated when necessary to get them to fit.  I use a bosch 5 meter hose to connect tools (including my domino XL).  I also added a quasi HEPA filter and an auto on switch. Noisy but works well.   

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Dust Deputy vs Ultimate Dust Deputy?
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2020, 09:38 PM »
Just nest two cheap buckets.
My double buckets are cooking oil pails free from a restaurant. They throw them away...just ask at the place you patronize often. I asked for 4 for my two DDs and they gave me half a dozen.
« Last Edit: September 28, 2020, 10:09 PM by ChuckM »

Offline Vtshopdog

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Re: Dust Deputy vs Ultimate Dust Deputy?
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2020, 10:59 PM »
I have the basic unit DIY mounted to an old sheetrock bucket, I think it was about $80 plus maybe an hour to mount to bucket lid.  It works great and I love it, but only bother getting it out for planers, router tasks or other high material removal jobs.  I like to work outside and for me the convenience and portability of direct attachment to my Midi is preferred for ordinary day to day use with my TS55 or Domino and I willingly buy replacement bags for simplicity and cleanliness (emptying the bucket usually involves a cloud of dust, tossing a bag is pretty tidy). I usually team the DD up with my big noisy 5HP shop vac as it has more air flow than my Festool which I prefer for my planer and router table.

So maybe a question to ask yourself is how many CT bags can you buy for the extra $200+ for the fancy version and how fast would you fill them up?

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Dust Deputy vs Ultimate Dust Deputy?
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2020, 11:22 PM »


So maybe a question to ask yourself is how many CT bags can you buy for the extra $200+ for the fancy version and how fast would you fill them up?
Fair question. The DDs are for those who make enough saw dust that changing bags is too much work. One of my DDs is emptied once every three months; the other once every 8 to 10 months. The dust collector, once every two months, depending on whether the thickness planer is put in action.
« Last Edit: September 28, 2020, 11:28 PM by ChuckM »

Online JD2720

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Re: Dust Deputy vs Ultimate Dust Deputy?
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2020, 07:13 AM »
The bucket is this one right? https://www.oneida-air.com/dust-deputy/wet-dry-vacuum-kits/dust-deputy-deluxe-cyclone-separator-kit

Does work with Festool CT out of the box?  Compatible with the CT MINI I?

Thanks!

Yes that is the one I have. I have 2 of them. I use them with CT36, CT48, MINI & MIDI.
I may have had to trim the connection on the cyclone for the Festool hose.

Offline Dick Mahany

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Re: Dust Deputy vs Ultimate Dust Deputy?
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2020, 12:26 PM »
I've used a 15 gal fiber drum for the DD with the CT36 and it works well for my needs.  It doesn't have to be easily transportable in my situation and saves bags.  The drum is large enough to last for a while yet manageable when I need to empty it.


Offline derekcohen

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Re: Dust Deputy vs Ultimate Dust Deputy?
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2020, 12:57 PM »
I had a Fein with a basic Dust Deputy for several years, and it worked very well.

Then I purchased a Festool CT26E, and used it with the DD. It worked just as well. However, I read about problems with static and Festool vacs, and decided to find a cyclone made from antistatic material. It was cost effective to get a Dust Commander. This worked as well as the DD. It was attached to the CT26E using a small systainer ...



This set up has just been upgraded to the Ultimate Dust Deputy, which is antistatic. Reason: it is more convenient to empty, and I got a good deal on an unused one that was sold by a deceased estate.



Any better? Quieter, easier to maintain, but sucks about the same.

Regards from Perth

Derek
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: Dust Deputy vs Ultimate Dust Deputy?
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2020, 09:08 PM »
I have the UDD but use it with the house vac not my CT-36 or CT-SYS. Reason is it's in the basement shop and using the house central vac provides all the air flow and suction I need (as good as the CT-36) and takes up zero shop space. Plus the noise is outside in the garage which is where the central vac lives.
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Offline Slippycog

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Re: Dust Deputy vs Ultimate Dust Deputy?
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2020, 01:18 AM »
I’ve purchased and used both for several years; mostly DIY and residential demo cleanup. I first purchased the basic DD kit with the bucket before the UDD became available; I attached it to a Fein vac and used it for a year or so with non Festool tools and for clean-up tasks before I started purchasing Festools. When I purchased a CT26 I used the basic DD in conjunction with it whenever cleaning up heavy debris or a high volume of sawdust/wood chips. Eventually I purchased the UDD only because it clamped the CT26. In my experience both perform the same, but the UDD is more convenient when used in conjunction with a Festool dust extractor that is moved around a lot. So I’d advise asking yourself if the added convenience is worth the extra cost to you. The UDD adds considerable weight to the CT26, especially when it gets above half full, so it takes a little more effort to move it around. My home, shop and yard has several floor grade changes of 6-8 inches that I have to lower or lift the UDD/CT26 over as I move it around. I usually use the handles on the UDD bin to lift or lower the CT26, but this caused the original plastic hose garage to break due to the imprecise attachment/sloppy interface between the hose garage and the UDD dust bin.  I replaced the busted garage with the redesigned T-loc garage; this improved things, but the fit is still a little sloppy. If you rarely lift or lower your vac unit this is an irrelevant issue. I’m happy with the performance. Also the  higher vac hose connection point makes it more convenient to use the extractor with saws, sanders and dominos if you don’t use the boom arm; I find the hose is easier to keep off the floor and less snagging occurs. Annoyances: don’t like the tapered connection Where the vac hose attaches to the cyclone, the hose frequently falls off if pulled too hard (tape can solve this); the inside face of the dust bin becomes heavily caked with very fine dust, so that partially defeats the advantages of “contained dust disposal” offered by the plastic bag. I find I have to wear a dust mask, carefully remove the dust bin cover and gently brush off the caked on dust into the bag before removing the bag for disposal - do this outside; the fine dust still diffuses in the air!

Offline Bugsysiegals

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Re: Dust Deputy vs Ultimate Dust Deputy?
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2020, 07:07 AM »
I see you can get the UDD for $266 and DD for $89 with Menards 11% off.  I keep my CT 36 under the MFT which is nice ... not sure it makes sense to spend extra on the UDD just to have it on the floor next to the CT 36...

Offline Peter_C

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Re: Dust Deputy vs Ultimate Dust Deputy?
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2020, 03:21 PM »
I see you can get the UDD for $266 and DD for $89 with Menards 11% off.  I keep my CT 36 under the MFT which is nice ... not sure it makes sense to spend extra on the UDD just to have it on the floor next to the CT 36...
Another option is to buy just the cyclone for less, then spend a little on a quality bucket and lid. Not sure I would consider the wheels a benefit. Although that $89 unit *might* come with the hose, otherwise any large shop vac type hose works. Keeping everything anti-static is a little harder.
https://www.menards.com/main/tools/power-tools/dust-collection/oneida-air-systems-reg-dust-deputy-diy-dust-collection-cyclone-debris-separator/axd001004/p-1444450204887-c-10162.htm

https://www.amazon.com/Collection-Accessories-Woodworking-Efficiency-SN50S3/dp/B08FC6Q878/ref=sr_1_25?dchild=1&keywords=Dust+Deputy+DIY&qid=1601491494&s=hi&sr=1-25