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Offline John Russell

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Dust Collection
« on: August 14, 2022, 09:10 PM »
I moved a couple years ago and sold my dust collector, an older model Delta, and I have survived as a project woodworker using my Festools.  However, some current and planed projects require the use of the planer, jointer, and table saw and so I need to step up and get some basement shop dust collection.  My default is the Oneida Mini Gorilla (220v) for use one machine at a time.  There are cheaper single stage machines (e.g. the Jet 1200) that I can upgrade with a HEPA filter, but it seems the Oneida machine is the easiest choice. What do you think?

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Offline Max Fracas

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Re: Dust Collection
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2022, 12:36 AM »
I have a Mini Dust Gorilla, partly based on the good review in Fine Woodworking. I have two issues with it. First, it leaves quite a few chips behind when I use my jointer/planer in planer mode.  Second, I’ve grown to really dislike the bin changes. So much so that I’m looking at a replacement that has a bigger bin and something other than the “3 latch” method of attaching the bin to the DC. Engaging two of the latches (best I can do with two hands) pushes the bin out of alignment with the mating surface, and because of that I find it’s always a wrestling match to get a decent connection of the bin to the DC.

Offline derekcohen

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Re: Dust Collection
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2022, 03:12 AM »
This is my temporary solution - temporary as this is a 2 hp DC and I need something bigger.



The bins are easy to empty. Both can be unclipped for access …



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Offline festal

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Re: Dust Collection
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2022, 07:47 AM »
I have a Mini Dust Gorilla, partly based on the good review in Fine Woodworking. I have two issues with it. First, it leaves quite a few chips behind when I use my jointer/planer in planer mode.  Second, I’ve grown to really dislike the bin changes. So much so that I’m looking at a replacement that has a bigger bin and something other than the “3 latch” method of attaching the bin to the DC. Engaging two of the latches (best I can do with two hands) pushes the bin out of alignment with the mating surface, and because of that I find it’s always a wrestling match to get a decent connection of the bin to the DC.

I have the same.  What helped with dust bin is marking with a marker allignment locations.  THen its easy enough to allign the clips and clip it in. same spots everytime. I did also notice that it leaves chips behind on my planer.  might reach out to support and see if it can be improved. 

Offline John Russell

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Re: Dust Collection
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2022, 09:16 AM »
I have a Mini Dust Gorilla, partly based on the good review in Fine Woodworking. I have two issues with it. First, it leaves quite a few chips behind when I use my jointer/planer in planer mode.  Second, I’ve grown to really dislike the bin changes. So much so that I’m looking at a replacement that has a bigger bin and something other than the “3 latch” method of attaching the bin to the DC. Engaging two of the latches (best I can do with two hands) pushes the bin out of alignment with the mating surface, and because of that I find it’s always a wrestling match to get a decent connection of the bin to the DC.


A bigger bin would be an asset.  I saw a Mini Gorilla  in person and noted the bin size.  I'm trying to keep the cost at 2k or less.  What else are you considering as a replacement?

Offline Peter_C

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Re: Dust Collection
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2022, 01:00 PM »
Reading the word basement shop, I can't state how important a HEPA filter should be to you as it is the fine dust particles that cause the most damage to ones lungs. Something like a Dylos air quality meter is something many of us use to monitor our air health quality. The larger dust collector will help clean the air as needed for times like when hand sanding.

I have a 3HP Jet cyclone dust collector I bought supa cheap on Ebay, then proceeded to spend a lot of money on an Onieda HEPA filter as I knew the filter would be of high quality. Starting with Onieda isn't a bad thing.

Offline MikeGE

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Re: Dust Collection
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2022, 01:30 PM »
I moved a couple years ago and sold my dust collector, an older model Delta, and I have survived as a project woodworker using my Festools.  However, some current and planed projects require the use of the planer, jointer, and table saw and so I need to step up and get some basement shop dust collection.  My default is the Oneida Mini Gorilla (220v) for use one machine at a time.  There are cheaper single stage machines (e.g. the Jet 1200) that I can upgrade with a HEPA filter, but it seems the Oneida machine is the easiest choice. What do you think?

When I designed my basement shop, the starting point was the dust collection system.  For the reason Peter stated, I need to reduce the likelihood that dust will make its way into the living space above.  My shop is below grade with no external doors or windows, so everything created has to be captured in the shop.  The dust collection system is in a 1x2-meter closet.


I use a pair of Wynn Environmental 35B222NANO filters (MERV 15) and a pair of 18FP30 filter pans (no longer available) in a plenum at the output of a 3HP blower.  This gives me just over 500 square feet of filter surface area.  The cyclone is the Oneida steel Super Dust Deputy and the ducting is 120mm steel tube.  To augment the dust collection, I have a Record Power AC400 air filter and monitor the dust with a Dylos DC1700 air quality meter.  I will be upgrading the ducting and cyclone later, but will keep the filters and catch pans.



Offline John Russell

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Re: Dust Collection
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2022, 02:53 PM »
Mike: nice setup, that is enviable dust collection.  My space would be constructed to build a closet like yours, so I have to find other solutions.

Peter: I'm convinced of the need for HEPA filtration in my basement space. Oneida and Grizzly and probably others offer HEPA upgrades for single stage machines for somewhere between 400-450 USD.  My Festool vacs have HEPA filters in them and I have one of the DIY air clears with MERV 15 filters. 

The easy solution is the Mini Gorilla if it can adequately collect dust from the planer, jointer, and table saw.  It is small enough and seemingly has enough CFM with a 10' hose to work well-enough. But, I wander into the idea of a 1.5-2hp single stage machine with a HEPA filter and wonder why not?

Offline Tom Gensmer

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Re: Dust Collection
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2022, 06:38 PM »
John Russell,

I used a Oneida Mini Gorilla for several years and found that it was a decent little collector. It kept up reasonably well (but not as well as my RL 160) with my A3-41 (16") jointer/planer, and did fine with a saw or shaper. It did struggle when collecting dust from a 16" wide belt sander, but I don't fault it for that, as this is a pretty extreme use case.

My primary gripe with the Mini Gorilla was the 19 gallon collection bin. If I wasn't paying attention it was easy to overfill it when planing or running the shaper. When the bin fills, all of the excess debris is pushed out to the filter, which can be a time consuming and messy task to clean up. I learned to keep a bright LED flashlight near the unit and would frequently check the fill level.

That being said, it's meant to be a compact, mobile unit, so the 19 gallon bin makes sense in that context, I just outgrew it.

So long as you're using a 10' long, 5" hose, it should keep up just fine with most machinery.
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Offline Mini Me

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Re: Dust Collection
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2022, 09:11 PM »
I have never had to deal with dust collection in a basement and basements don't exist in Australia thank the lord. Collecting the fine dust at the machine is a priority as is collecting it at the filters and filter quality is obviously important. I have never seen a single stage bag extractor that does not leak so using one in a basement would lead to high dust levels and should be avoided if the air is being returned and should never be in the workshop itself. A lot of wide belts as mentioned above have insufficient air intake at the machine so not all the fine dust is collected through no fault of the dust extractor and steps have to be taken to add more air by modifying the machine. I think work shops in basements require a particle meter to firstly judge if the dust extraction is doing its job and when that is the case to monitor dust levels after that.

Offline rmhinden

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Re: Dust Collection
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2022, 12:29 PM »
I used a Oneida Mini Gorilla for several years and found that it was a decent little collector. It kept up reasonably well (but not as well as my RL 160) with my A3-41 (16") jointer/planer, and did fine with a saw or shaper. It did struggle when collecting dust from a 16" wide belt sander, but I don't fault it for that, as this is a pretty extreme use case.

My primary gripe with the Mini Gorilla was the 19 gallon collection bin. If I wasn't paying attention it was easy to overfill it when planing or running the shaper. When the bin fills, all of the excess debris is pushed out to the filter, which can be a time consuming and messy task to clean up. I learned to keep a bright LED flashlight near the unit and would frequently check the fill level.

I also have a Mini Gorilla dust collector.    It works well for me.   I use it with a A3-41, router table, table saw, and drill press.   I use a single flex 5" hose that I move from tool to tool using MagPort connectors.   The bin size is only an issue when doing a lot of milling with the A3-41.   

I added a bin sensor (based on a design I found online) to tell me when the bin is full.    Oneida now has a Bin Sensor that looks pretty good, I would probably just get that if my DIY one dies.

IMHO, the Mini Gorilla is good choice for size, price, HEPA filter, and suction.   I am sure that a larger system would be better, but it would take up more room and be considerably expensive.   Given the bin size, a sensor is needed.

Bob

Offline MikkelF

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Re: Dust Collection
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2022, 05:14 AM »
Im also looking at dust collection systems these days since Im thinking of replacing my Felder AF-14 1.5hp DC with something smaller that better fits into the corner of my small shop. Which small (Height 6" or less) systems is there out there that can handle a Hammer A3-41 jointer with spiral head (and a Hammer K3 Tablesaw) - do anybody has any suggestion for what to look at?

Offline montyss

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Re: Dust Collection
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2022, 05:29 PM »
I picked up a New unused Laguna CFLUX1 for my Hammer A3-31, N4400 & K3 but have yet to try it out. The Magports just arrived the other day and awaiting the rubber couplings to attach the Magports to the machines. I'm going to be using 5" Dust Collection hose from the Dust collector to the machines. The Laguna is just about the height your looking for.