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Offline DanielOB

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Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« on: September 30, 2014, 02:43 PM »
If Festool offer such a saw i will get it, but it is not the case, and corded saw will not work for me.
Mafell offers battery-saw and the battery is the same as for Bosch saw 36V, and i have 3 battery. I need a saw so i am looking for Mafell KSP 55/36V tool only, no battery.

I need a place (e-mail of phone) where i can order ONLY saw, Germany will be fine too.
Is the arbor size for this Mafell the same as on Bosch-saw-36V
Jist contacted US dealer Timber ... and the saw kit is $1430, (this means 4 times Bosch, when battery is excluded).

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Re: Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2014, 03:00 PM »
Have you not seen this?



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Offline PreferrablyWood

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Re: Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2014, 03:11 PM »
The Cordless TSC 55 is in effect a (EDIT)28v36v tool when used with both batteries is on my list..., which makes it an more attractive offering than the Mafell in my eyes...The 18v batteries will work in my Carvex 420 and the PDC 18/4 I just bought, so for me staying with the Festools makes a huge amount of sense, I'd get the TSC 55 kit with the two batteries and chargers, then perhaps the SDS drill BHC 18v bare model, then one extra battery so I'd have 5 18v batteries and 4 chargers... And a set consisting of the PDC 18, PSC, BHC, and the TSC, which be a great away from the grid resource.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2014, 02:34 AM by PreferrablyWood »
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Re: Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2014, 03:40 PM »
Do you know if that dust bag will be available for use with my TS55REQ?
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Offline PreferrablyWood

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Re: Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2014, 03:43 PM »
Do you know if that dust bag will be available for use with my TS55REQ?

It will likely be available as a spare part, it would be a nice addition to the TS55REQ for sure..
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Re: Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2014, 04:13 PM »
I'm thinking the sa,e. The dust collection shown in that video is really amazing and although I have the Midi, I am thinking of several applications where that'd be pretty sweet to have.
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Re: Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2014, 04:24 PM »
I'm thinking the sa,e. The dust collection shown in that video is really amazing and although I have the Midi, I am thinking of several applications where that'd be pretty sweet to have.


Don't know if it's aina but the part number of the dusbag is 500393
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Re: Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2014, 04:29 PM »
The dust bag will not work with the TS 55 REQ corded model. It uses a special port for attachment. The HL 850 bag, which is currently available, will work for your TS 55 REQ.

I guess it might be possible you could replace your TS 55 REQ's dust port with the new one once it's available.

Offline wrightwoodwork

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Re: Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2014, 04:38 PM »
The Cordless TSC 55 is in effect a 28v tool when used with both batteries is on my list... It's got greater depth capacity as well, which makes it an more attractive offering than the Mafell in my eyes...
Both saws have the same cutting depth on and off the rails I have the mafell kss400 36v I've had for 5 months and has being used every work day all day. I use it for everything from 1st fix, 2nd fix, roofs, timber studs, flooring etc. My own view is if you do all kinds of task go for the mafell. If you do more kitchen fitting and shop fitting then get the festool. The mafell used blades with a 20mm bore same as the festool. I'm not 100% sure if they do a naked version

Offline PreferrablyWood

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Re: Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2014, 05:57 PM »
The Cordless TSC 55 is in effect a 28v tool when used with both batteries is on my list... It's got greater depth capacity as well, which makes it an more attractive offering than the Mafell in my eyes...
Both saws have the same cutting depth on and off the rails I have the mafell kss400 36v I've had for 5 months and has being used every work day all day. I use it for everything from 1st fix, 2nd fix, roofs, timber studs, flooring etc. My own view is if you do all kinds of task go for the mafell. If you do more kitchen fitting and shop fitting then get the festool. The mafell used blades with a 20mm bore same as the festool. I'm not 100% sure if they do a naked version

Thanks for clearing this up! The mafell sounds like it works out well for you!
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Offline Kev

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Re: Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2014, 05:05 AM »
TSC 55 is brilliant - I find it hard to fault in any way!

Offline Jason Kehl

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Re: Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2014, 06:24 AM »
Is there a reason that the Mafell KSS400 is the better choice for all around work other than the obvious benefit of the track being attached to the saw? How well does the Mafell work (how easy is it to follow a line) when no track is being used? There are times I prefer to use my TS55 without a track and it is doable but awkward. It is hard to see the line and the plunge action with no track is less than ideal. I realize the TS was not designed for off-track use...

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Re: Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2014, 06:43 AM »
Here's a short video showing off some of the capabilities. I think it's pretty self explanatory how it differs from the TS55 and what the benefits of each saw are.



Even though the video below is of the bigger brother, the KSS80, the video clearly explains how the KSS rails work. Bear in mind the 400 saw is an older design and doesn't offer all the function of the 80 shown here.

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Offline DanielOB

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Re: Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2014, 12:29 PM »
ksp55 battery saw is not 36V, but 18V. It use one OR two 18 V battery, as i see on the computer video. I do not see it on Festool site. I will not make the same mistake. Will wait for Festool battery-saw.

1. Is the battery the same as for Carvex-battery (18 V)
2. when it will be available in USA
3. what is the price and where it available (if any)

Offline wrightwoodwork

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Re: Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2014, 12:36 PM »
The kss400 has to be one of the most universal saw packages you can buy it will 90+% of all your saw tasks that includes all your work you would use a track saw for a standard circular saw, table saw, chop saw. For me I don't need to carry the likes a chop saw or table saw with me all the time. Some days at work I might be asked to do finishings, then I could be asked to do a cut roof, make up stud partions, basically it don't matter what I get asked to do the saw will cover the task. It's basically like having your chopsaw, circular saw and track saw in one saw. I also have the corded version after using it for about 3 years and see the advantages I find with it there was no way I would never be without for site use.   If I'm making stud partions, what I tend to do is gang cut all the studs and cripple studs. If it's 90mm studs I usually make a pile 6 wide trim one end so they are all in line and square, then I measure the size I need just on one piece then cut all 6 at once, job done and keep repeating till I have disered number cut. There is no taking each piece off the pile to then cut on the chop saw or cut each piece by hand. I have some videos on my youtube chanel of it being used for differ tasks. If I was doing only kitchens then I would probably lean more to the the tsc55 as the built in dust collection. Which I think is a really handy idea 

Offline wrightwoodwork

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Re: Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2014, 12:47 PM »
The mafell is definitely 36v it is supplied with 2 36v 2.6 amp batteries the batteries are bosch batteries and the bosch 36v 4 amp batteries will work in. Here is a vid of trimming some rafter ends with it

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Re: Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2014, 02:35 PM »
The dust bag will not work with the TS 55 REQ corded model. It uses a special port for attachment. The HL 850 bag, which is currently available, will work for your TS 55 REQ.

I guess it might be possible you could replace your TS 55 REQ's dust port with the new one once it's available.

Shane's right, you can. The dust bag is part number 500393; the adapter is available as a spare part, number 10015824. The adapter is 2-part - one part replaces the hose fitting on the saw, and has the bayonet fitting for the bag. The second part is an adapter that fits to the first part so you can use the standard hose instead (i.e. a second adapter to cancel out the first adapter!!!).

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Offline DanielOB

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Re: Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2014, 07:29 AM »
is Mafell kss-400 battery powered saw?

Offline wrightwoodwork

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Re: Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2014, 12:14 PM »
There is 2 kss400 saws that mafell do one is battery operated and the other is either 240 or 110. I have both the corded and cordless version. There is no difference in power and feel of the two. The only slight difference is that the cordless has an electronic brake and the blade stops in a second compared to 5 seconds on the corded version. The weight feels about the same as well. I can't comment on how the festool compares to corded version. Also mafell do a blade specially for the cordless saws which has a thinner kerf I'm not sure if festool does. Cmt also does extra thin kerf blades. The advantage is that they take out less waste and don't stress the motors as much. The mafell is a lot of money unless you make a living from your tools I'd maybe shy away from it. For me I think it's good value. By the time I add the price of a generator, a circular saw, track saw, chop saw. What do you mainly do

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Re: Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2014, 02:44 AM »
ksp55 battery saw is not 36V, but 18V. It use one OR two 18 V battery, as i see on the computer video. I do not see it on Festool site. I will not make the same mistake. Will wait for Festool battery-saw.
1. Is the battery the same as for Carvex-battery (18 V)
Yes
2. when it will be available in USA
2Q 2015 was the date listed in the post here on the FOG
3. what is the price and where it available (if any)
$US 855 with two batteries one charger, with 19% Vat included at ACH autocolor in Germany..I'd go for this deal as I already have 2 18v batteries, soon three,and five if and when I get the TSC, with all the cordless tools I'll have all together 4 chargers, after I get the other cordless tools going I can see ending up with a minimum  7 batteries, Also who knows what other 18v tools may appear in the future, a kapex 88 perhaps, a RO 90 sander, the Vecturo? I note that you say you want to get it with no batteries, I can't find that option, and personally I think the TSC 55 will  use a fair amount of power so I think more batteries will be needed so you don't run out of power in the middle of a job. Consider also that getting batteries with a tool is also generally speaking the cheapest option.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2014, 03:06 AM by PreferrablyWood »
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Re: Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2014, 04:43 AM »
ksp55 battery saw is not 36V, but 18V. It use one OR two 18 V battery...

As does the Festool TSC55. From the Festool UK website:

"Flexible dual battery concept: can be operated with two 18-volt battery packs (36V) for maximum power or one 18-volt battery pack for low weight"

Not sure exactly how the '36 Volt' statement comes into play, as I thought that when it had 2 batteries installed it was *STILL* an 18 volt saw, but with twice the current available resulting in more power?

Edit - Translated and cleaned up with the help of Google Translate from the german announcement of the TSC55 says this:

Variable dual battery concept

The double battery system enables use of all 15V and 18V lithium-ion battery packs from Festool. The system makes the use of one or two batteries possible - in any combination: two 18V, one 18V and one 15V, or two 15V - depending on the wishes and needs of the artisan. If maximum power is the goal, it can be achieved with two 18 volt battery packs, for a power of 36V. Where lighter weight is desired, the use of only one Battery Pack (either 18V or 15V) is possible.
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Re: Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2014, 10:12 AM »
I got a lot of systainers with Festools but for saws I have switched to Mafell. I have tried both and Mafell is in a league above Festool in this area IMHO. That KSS80 is a thing of beauty!

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Re: Mafell circular saw - KSP 55 / 36V
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2014, 01:31 PM »
Do you know if that dust bag will be available for use with my TS55REQ?

I have bought this set for my TS55 REBQ. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FESTOOL-500393-CHIP-COLLECTION-BAG-10015824-ADAPTER-FOR-TS55-PLUNGE-SAW-/111479733211?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item19f4b5bbdb

Yo will need to swap out the current hose connector to one that fitted to a TSC55. It taken me less than 5 minutes to do this conversion.

I must admit that I have paid £36 including postage earlier this year (around 3-4 months ago)

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