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Offline mickmick

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Re: Driving myself mad over nail guns.
« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2019, 04:30 AM »
Got the PC1010 in a sys4 with hose. Senco 18g and Makita 23g pinner. Did some flooring yesterday - get in and out was a dream (sys4 + sys2) and job went smooth. Glad I baulked at the new. Tried and true wins again.
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Offline demographic

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Re: Driving myself mad over nail guns.
« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2019, 01:35 PM »
Got the PC1010 in a sys4 with hose. Senco 18g and Makita 23g pinner. Did some flooring yesterday - get in and out was a dream (sys4 + sys2) and job went smooth. Glad I baulked at the new. Tried and true wins again.

You say you were doing flooring, have you tried just using a portanailer and secret nailing through the tongues?
Thats what Ive used on every hardwood floor Ive nailed apart from the two I've glued onto concrete.

Offline mickmick

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Re: Driving myself mad over nail guns.
« Reply #32 on: March 07, 2019, 05:16 AM »
Got the PC1010 in a sys4 with hose. Senco 18g and Makita 23g pinner. Did some flooring yesterday - get in and out was a dream (sys4 + sys2) and job went smooth. Glad I baulked at the new. Tried and true wins again.

You say you were doing flooring, have you tried just using a portanailer and secret nailing through the tongues?
Thats what Ive used on every hardwood floor Ive nailed apart from the two I've glued onto concrete.
Thanks I'll check one out.
The flooring was engineered click together. I used the nail guns for the skirting and scotia.
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Offline Farming_Sawyer

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Re: Driving myself mad over nail guns.
« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2019, 12:24 PM »
What are those dots? Nails into dowels or filler?
if your referring to the floor the nailers are sitting on, they are hand drive cut boat nails countersunk into wide cherry flooring. Customer is super happy, but it drove me nuts. Good thing the checks and splits fit into their rustic aesthetic.....
CT 26E, RO125, sys-mft, sys-toolbox, a bunch of 30 year old tools I'm looking to replace.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Driving myself mad over nail guns.
« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2019, 03:41 PM »
Thanks for nail info. Did you try a palm nailer?

Offline JimmyFord

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Re: Driving myself mad over nail guns.
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2019, 07:02 PM »
I'm mainly doing inside finish/trim work, kitchens, flooring, built-in wardrobes.
I had a 18 gauge gas nailer before and it was a total PITA - gas that would off really quickly, not warm enough blah blah. I got rid.
I am now in the market for another.
I have two questions that keep me going round:
-Should I stick to the 18 gauge or is 23 gauge ok for what I do? Will it hold skirting while liquid nail takes hold? Will it hold 18mm painted mdf trim on the side of a wardrobe? I know you can get both but...
-Should I go back to compressor air guns or try the new 18v all electric nailers? I see Makita have a new one Makita DPT353Z. Also Dewalt. Anyone using them?

I can't really afford 2 x electric nailers this month. I could buy the compressor and a couple of nailers though. Still if I could get by with a 23 gauge and it was reliable, that would be the dream.

Am I dreaming?

The hitachi cordless nailers are incredible, I have the 18, 16, and 15. I had the set of m18 Milwaukee nailers, but the brad nailer left gigantic holes in the workpiece which to me defeats the purpose of a brad nailer. And all the Milwaukee nailers have a bit too much recoil imo, especially if you are shooting nails all day.  I was on a search for a long time for a decent cordless nailer, and hitachi is SOLID! I had a ton of m18 tools and zero hitachi- the nailers were impressive enough to me that it was worth having the new battery platform just for the nailers. I still have the m18 15ga (outside the return window was the only reason) and it’s got power, but the recoil gets old. The only downside to the hitachi’s is the brad nailer pretty much can’t drive a 2” brad into solid oak, smaller brads are fine, but the 2” is always at least 1/16th proud, sometimes an inch proud. Oak to pine is fine. I never found pin nailers all that useful for trim, CA glue plus and activator gets it done quickly. 

Offline Martin Johnson

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Re: Driving myself mad over nail guns.
« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2020, 04:56 PM »
I settled on the Bostitch (7yr warranty) oiless for most:

15 GA DA angled finish nailer for tight spots and a little extra holding power for heavy trim like shiplap
16 GA straight finish nailer for all other heavy trim
18 GA brad nailer when trying to minimize nail hole appearance
23 GA Grex pin nailer (would probably go with Bostitch to keep it easy, but love my Grex)
18 GA crown staple gun for heavy stapling
18 GA narrow crown stapler for finish work

Offline JimH2

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Re: Driving myself mad over nail guns.
« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2020, 10:06 AM »
Everyone has their favorites. Mine are Senco (never had a problem) and Porter Cable (older stuff from the 90's). I have had a few Bostitch and my experience has not been great:
15 GA DA angled finish nailer - failed
16 GA straight finish nailer for all other heavy trim - no problems
18 GA brad nailer  - failed
18 GA narrow crown stapler - failed twice (once under warranty and then immediately after the warranty expired)
All were the 1 year warranty models which I guess are junk of the price was cheap so what should one expect? Oiless may have played into it or I just was incredibly unlucky. The 15 and two 18's made it just past the warranty period.

I have the full PC lineup from the 90's including the palm nailer and roofing coil nailer and only one that has failed me. The framing gun failed after 20+ years of heavy usage. Dewalt refurbed it for $75 if I remember correctly. Good as new. My PC's all require oil.

Offline Martin Johnson

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Re: Driving myself mad over nail guns.
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2020, 10:13 AM »
Funny,

Both my PC failed in the middle of a job.  Bought at Lowes, and repair kits were almost as much as the price of new...never had an issue with my Bostitch yet, but they are not used heavily in harsh environments...do love the smart point tips for placing the nails.  Will be 3D printing some depth guides for my Grex, as it is a great gun, but sometimes hard to figure out where it is going to place the pin.  Saw I could by one for $25, but I can make it for less than $1, and it keeps my solidworks skills fresh [eek]

Offline SRSemenza

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Re: Driving myself mad over nail guns.
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2020, 11:25 AM »
On the PC nailers the older design was better than the newer. Seems like they were redesigned to sell in package deals at Big Boxes.

Probably hard to say good, bad, fails, without the models in any brand being known. IOW not all PC, or Bostitch or DeWalt ,etc, are the same.

    I had older PCs, still have some. But have swapped out to the Bostitch Smart Point for primary use in 15ga and 18ga. I don't know about the durability but so far no problems. The features are great!

Seth

Offline JimD

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Re: Driving myself mad over nail guns.
« Reply #40 on: September 28, 2020, 09:20 PM »
I have a 23 guage (bostitch), 18 gauge (porter cable pneumatic and Ryobi cordless), 16 gauge (bostitch) and 15 gauge (harbor freight).  I also have a flooring nailer/stapler, an upholstrey stapler and a couple framing nailers but I don't think the OP asked about them.  I've retrimmed my entire house.  Base, crown and casing.  90+% of the time I used my cordless 18 gauge Ryobi.  It is just more convenient.  I have a cordless compressor too but the brad nailer, while big for a nailer, is just more convenient to haul around.  I used the 23 gauge for returns (with glue) and the 15 gauge for window stools. 

When I build furniture I most use the 23 gauge pinner but also use a narrow crown stapler to attach plywood backs to cabinets.  The joints in the furniture are tighter than some of the molding joints so a little pin is all I need to hold things until the glue sets up.   

Offline mkasdin

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Re: Driving myself mad over nail guns.
« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2020, 04:38 PM »
I settled on the Bostitch (7yr warranty) oiless for most:

15 GA DA angled finish nailer for tight spots and a little extra holding power for heavy trim like shiplap
16 GA straight finish nailer for all other heavy trim
18 GA brad nailer when trying to minimize nail hole appearance
23 GA Grex pin nailer (would probably go with Bostitch to keep it easy, but love my Grex)
18 GA crown staple gun for heavy stapling
18 GA narrow crown stapler for finish work
Good assortment of nailers and staplers. I ditto the 23 gauge grex. I grew to really like it, but it’s more of a unicorn tool.   I am thinking for kitchen build outs a 21gauge Cadex would be a good choice? I don’t own one but it sit in the middle of a 18 and 21 gauge. I’ve also heard of people filing down the striker to minimize the surface hole.
I own a 23 gauge grex and an oil less 18 gauge senco finish pro 18 mg for finish trim.  A 22 year old Hitachi 16 gauge for finish nailer made in Japan. I had to throw out my senco palm nailer, seals went bad and it was too expensive to repair.,

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