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Offline mino

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Re: drill press??
« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2021, 09:05 AM »
This one, used sells for $2,499.00 and weighs 4,100 pounds. 
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Sorry, but that is one truly hilarious photo!

The black band pretending to be "holding" on to the pallet is priceless.

Especially as someone meant it seriously judging how it is overextended already.
[big grin] [big grin] [big grin]

/joke aside/
Getting something like this IS a good idea if one owns his shop building with a heavy-load concrete floor and knows it will have long term use. The only issue with these behemoths is their movement. As long as none is planned, they are a great value.
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Offline Packard

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Re: drill press??
« Reply #31 on: May 25, 2021, 12:58 PM »
We have three machine shop grade industrial drill presses in our tool room.  We bought them all used from used machinery brokers and drill presses are incredibly cheap from these outfits.  I doubt we paid more than $250.00 for each one. 

But...

But these probably weigh 200 pounds or more each.  So you might need a couple of friends to move these.  Stairs would scare me. 

But cheap and solidly built.  Many of these brokers don't even list them as they have so many.  A phone call works best.

Offline Bertotti

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Re: drill press??
« Reply #32 on: May 25, 2021, 10:07 PM »
Ironically enough I have actually considered a mini lathe mill. What I would use it for is smaller work but then I wonder what else I could do if I had the drill press. I just have a lot of thinking to do to decide what my future needs will be.
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: drill press??
« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2021, 05:07 AM »
Unfortunately for those who were drooling over the Vulcan metalworking drill press it is dead and there are no plans to bring it back to life according to an email I received yesterday.

That is disappointing but that's the decision NOVA has made for whatever reason. I searched yesterday for a Vulcan new or used and turned up nothing. Even a voyager is difficult to find in stock now. Vendors are taking orders with estimated December 2021 delivery dates from what I have seen. They'll gladly take your money today for a drill press delivered a minimum of 6 months from now.   [unsure]

So if I find a Voyager in stock now I am going to buy it now. I've been on the fence for this DP for 2 years, always saying I'll wait another month or two or finding some excuse to put it off. Before the Voyager is NLA I aim to have one. Based on my 10 year history with their lathe and 2 years with the bandsaw motor I feel there is little risk in the DVR technology.

Here is the email I received yesterday from NOVA.

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Offline mino

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Re: drill press??
« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2021, 05:41 AM »
That is disappointing but that's the decision NOVA has made for whatever reason.
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With metal manufacturing basically converted to CNCs today, the market is flooded with old high end presses available for those small shops that cannot afford a proper CNC mill.
The market likely got too small and the occasional non-metalwork customers like us cannot make up for the needed volume.

I see this also in Europe.
You can still get high-end DPs for manufacturing use in the $5k+ range and you can get cheapo ones for $500 or so. But the mid range is disappearing fast. Everyone just goes for used industrial machines at those price ranges. Same for as non-CNC mills a decade ago.

I think we need to wait a decade and the Chinese and Indians will pick up the small shop market hole and fill it up. For better or worse.
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Offline Imemiter

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Re: drill press??
« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2021, 07:52 AM »
I have been drilling headstocks for tuning machines on mandolins. I think Cheese nailed it. Pass by and I'll just get a jig for tuning machines. Much cheaper in the long run. The only other use I would have for it is sanding but an oscillating spindle sander would be a much more useful tool to me. Sometimes we get caught up in that mental masturbation Cheese mentioned. I'm over it now. Thanks!

I have one of those Shop Fox drill presses that has an oscillating sander function. The swap over to sanding mode isn't too bad and the dust collection works well. It's no mill but I've loved having it around for making plugs and jigs.

I offered to make the wife a jig for drilling out fiddle pegs, but she prefers free-handing with her 12v Bosch. Almost offered her my CSX last time but I want to hang onto it awhile longer.  [big grin]

I've got a few mandolins. A Moon and a Mowry are my favorites. I really should play them more often (or sell one and get a Nova...) Post a picture of yours sometime!
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Offline Packard

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Re: drill press??
« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2021, 08:44 AM »
Stu-Mac makes a bunch of drilling jigs for this purpose.  If they don't have what you want, then a machine shop can make one for you.  Or make the jig from hardwood and install hardened steel bushings.

McMaster-Carr has almost any size you could want.  If I recall correctly the fiddle only would require 4 holes.  They are probably symmetrical on both sides so only two bushings would be required.

Or go on one of the fiddle building sites and ask there.

https://maestronet.com/forum/index.php?/topic/338554-drilling-string-holes-in-pegs/

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #37 on: May 26, 2021, 10:39 AM »
Unfortunately for those who were drooling over the Vulcan metalworking drill press it is dead and there are no plans to bring it back to life according to an email I received yesterday.

Thanks @Bob D.  for posting that reply from NOVA. That's really disappointing... [sad] [sad]  Guess I'll have to go the Ellis route or the used Clausing route.


Offline Cheese

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« Reply #39 on: May 26, 2021, 11:34 AM »
 [big grin]...Road Trip... [big grin]

Interesting Ron, it certainly starts out cheap enough. [jawdrop]

But then again, with 10% sales tax & an 18% commission, stuff adds up in a hurry.  What do you predict this one will go for?

Online rvieceli

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« Reply #40 on: May 26, 2021, 11:47 AM »
It’s hard to say. Looks to be good in good shape. Probably in the 1500 to 1750 range. There won’t be a lot of action on stuff until the final day.

I’ve dealt with this auction house before and got some stuff for my son.

Ron

Online rvieceli

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« Reply #41 on: May 26, 2021, 11:49 AM »
bidspotter.com is an interesting site. Sort of a clearing house for several industrial auction houses.

You can search across the entire platform, so you get multiple auctions in a search.

Ron

Online rvieceli

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« Reply #42 on: May 26, 2021, 12:37 PM »
All this drill press talk reminded me I needed to do a little inspection/maintenance on mine.  [big grin]

Check out the Reeves drive and check the gear oil in the gear box.



Ron

Offline Cheese

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Re: Drill press?
« Reply #43 on: May 26, 2021, 12:58 PM »
Ron is that an Electro Mechano?

What maintenance needs to be performed on the Reeves drive?

Online rvieceli

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« Reply #44 on: May 26, 2021, 01:25 PM »
It is an Electro Mechano 601J. Bench top with a big production base. Love it. Although I wouldn’t mind having an 801 floor model.  [wink] I rarely see these models anymore. The little precision presses are more common.

The Reeves just needs to check the tension and grease the cam that changes the speed.

The gear box under the front pulley needs to be checked for gear oil levels.

Ron

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #45 on: May 26, 2021, 10:37 PM »
The gear box under the front pulley needs to be checked for gear oil levels.

So is it like a British motorcycle that weeps incessantly, or does it just need to be topped off?

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Online rvieceli

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« Reply #46 on: May 27, 2021, 05:17 AM »
The gear box under the front pulley needs to be checked for gear oil levels.

So is it like a British motorcycle that wheeps incessantly, or does it just need to be topped off?

Yes and yes.

There's a seal at the bottom of the gear box that the drive shaft for the quill goes through that weeps ever so slightly. To replace it requires more dis-asembly than I want to do since it works perfectly. I'm also not convinced that a new one wouldn't do the same thing,

Ron

Offline mino

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« Reply #47 on: May 27, 2021, 05:54 AM »
Yes and yes.

There's a seal at the bottom of the gear box that the drive shaft for the quill goes through that weeps ever so slightly. To replace it requires more dis-asembly than I want to do since it works perfectly. I'm also not convinced that a new one wouldn't do the same thing,

Ron
From what I understood. The slight weeping seals like this was often a "feature" of these machine designs. The accumulating oil on the shaft can be wiped easily and allows the shaft as well as the contact surface of the seal to be kept clean from dust with very little effort.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2021, 02:09 PM by mino »
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Drill press?
« Reply #48 on: May 27, 2021, 11:13 AM »
Yes and yes.

There's a seal at the bottom of the gear box that the drive shaft for the quill goes through that weeps ever so slightly. To replace it requires more dis-asembly than I want to do since it works perfectly. I'm also not convinced that a new one wouldn't do the same thing,

Ron, you're probably right...installing a new o'ring will probably still allow it to leak. I had the same issue on the tachometer drive cable and the only solution was for me to machine the housing so I could install a double lip seal, which I did...hasn't leaked in years.  [big grin]


From what I understood. The slight weeping seals like this was often a "feature" of these machine designs. The accumulating oil on the shaft can be wiped easily and allows the shaft as well as the contact surface of the seal to be kept clean from dust with very little effort.



Now that's funny...spoken like a true British motorcycle manufacturer.  [big grin]
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Offline Bob D.

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« Reply #49 on: May 27, 2021, 12:12 PM »
"From what I understood. The slight weeping seals like this was often a "feature" of these machine designs. The accumulating oil on the shaft can be wiped easily and allows the shaft as well as the contact surface of the seal to be kept clean from dust with very little effort."

Why is it this is looked upon with reverence when it's a Brit Bike, but when an older Harley drips oil from the chain oiler (by design) it a POC ?  [big grin]

I turned mine off on my 1980 Low Rider but it was there if you needed it and a hold over from some of their early bikes.
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Online rvieceli

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« Reply #50 on: May 27, 2021, 12:30 PM »
A lifetime ago I was an owner/operator contracted to Mayflower Transit, the moving company. When we bought the Chevy road tractor it had a 238 Detroit Diesel inline 6 engine. As we picked it up, the head mechanic came out and said " If it doesn't leak oil, bring it back and we'll fix it!

Was fine when running down the road but when you let it idle, there was a slight oil drip.

Ron

Offline Bob D.

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« Reply #51 on: May 27, 2021, 04:09 PM »
"If it doesn't leak oil, bring it back and we'll fix it!"

LOL  [big grin]
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Offline Bob D.

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« Reply #52 on: May 28, 2021, 10:02 AM »
Well, supposedly it's on the truck and heading my way.

Should be here some time next week. Couldn't find a
Vulcan as I said so had to settle for the Voyager.

Still disappointed the parts to perform the upgrade are not
available. But maybe I will come across them someday.
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Offline Cheese

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« Reply #53 on: May 28, 2021, 11:11 AM »
Still disappointed the parts to perform the upgrade are not
available. But maybe I will come across them someday.

Ya, I'm with you on this one.  [sad]

Interestingly enough, NOVA lists the same headstock assembly for both versions...#8338055. However, they list different spindle tapers, MT3 for Vulcan & MT2 for Voyager, but the spindles are part of the headstock assembly.  [huh]  Maybe just a misprint in the catalog?

At any rate, the drill press table is larger on the Voyager by about 2" in each direction.

Offline Bob D.

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« Reply #54 on: May 28, 2021, 12:01 PM »
Yes, the only other piece is the autofeed.

Even if I had no interest in metalwork I would want the #3 MT and ability to use a collet chuck over the #2.
From what I have heard the bearings are more robust on the Vulcan and who wouldn't want that?

Just make one model with the better headstock assembly and offer a choice of table when ordering. There
are so few part differences I don't understand why they dropped this.

Added link to this 3 part video series but it's moot since the parts are no longer available.

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Offline Cheese

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« Reply #55 on: May 29, 2021, 10:18 AM »

Just make one model with the better headstock assembly and offer a choice of table when ordering. There
are so few part differences I don't understand why they dropped this.

Added link to this 3 part video series but it's moot since the parts are no longer available.



Thanks for posting that Bob...one mystery solved, the head stock assembly IS different so the part numbers should be different.  [tongue]

That's a HUGE difference in bearing choice with the substitution of angular contact ball bearings for the standard ball bearings. That alone could account for the 4X reduction in runout as angular contact bearings are usually more precise because of their nature.

And as you mentioned in an earlier post, who wouldn't want less runout on a drill press?

Now comes the difficult items to reproduce, the quill with MT3 taper and the ER32 collet system.  [crying] [mad]

Like you, I can't imagine why they'd discontinue the Vulcan option when so few extra parts are involved. I'd imagine there'd be many wood workers that would want the extra precision, the extra stiffness and the ability to use MT3 chucks.
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Offline Bob D.

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« Reply #56 on: May 30, 2021, 03:26 PM »
Well, that was unexpected. I ordered the accessory fence when I bought the Voyager. The fence showed up today (Sunday no less) but the DP itself is still at least 10 days out.

It is en route, I got a message from Estes Express saying it should arrive in North Jersey on the 4th or 5th and to expect a call to coordinate delivery some time after that.
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