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Offline Cheese

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Re: Drill Press: The Cats Meow for Woodworking.
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2020, 02:41 PM »
Bad photo...or at least inaccurate. What looks like a bolt head is actually a hex nut...which would work, but that's not what we package. Flat head machine screw (1/4-20) comes up from the bottom of the table and threads into sliding T-nut in the track.

Mine also uses t-nuts however this photo is from the Woodpecker site. The package 1, package 2 & package 3 all use the same photo.

https://www.woodpeck.com/drilling/drill-press-tables/complete-woodpeckers-drill-press-table-package-1-includes-36-fence-2-molded-flip-stops-2-hold-down-clamps-1-filler.html

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Offline jeffinsgf

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Re: Drill Press: The Cats Meow for Woodworking.
« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2020, 02:44 PM »
Yeah...I see that. It's on my list now. I'll get it fixed sometime soon.

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Re: Drill Press: The Cats Meow for Woodworking.
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2020, 03:24 PM »
There are two features about the WP table I dislike that decided me on building my own (I posted more details of this in an earlier thread) ...

The first was the veneered edges. I have seen a number made this way, and they all chip or peel away.

The second feature was the square insert. This does not make sense as the drill is centred on it, which means that (if you use it that way), the insert is a one-shot user, and will need to be replaced frequently.

I made mine off set, and round. Making it round was harder but, together with the offset, it may be rotated many times before it needs to be replaced.



With the Wixey laser ...



Instead of a lamination, this table is solid UHMW. I don't think that the laminated MDF is as big an issue, but I could not turn up the opportunity when I came across UHMW sections at a scrapyard. It is very hard wearing and this one has good non-slip.



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Offline jeffinsgf

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Re: Drill Press: The Cats Meow for Woodworking.
« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2020, 03:46 PM »
Finding that piece of solid UHMW would have been enough to send me to the shop to make my own, too. But just to be sure things are clear, the edge banding is not veneer or laminate. It is a vinyl edging that is bonded on in a huge press and trimmed afterward to the point I can't catch my fingernail on it anywhere (I just tried after seeing your comment). I have never seen one returned because of chipped edge trim...or heard about the issue from Customer Service.

I like your round insert, but not everyone is equipped to make round inserts...everyone can cut 1/2" material relatively square.

Offset positioning is just a matter of moving the table a little forward or backward when mounting...it won't ever be as efficient as your circles, but it certainly can be better than "one and done".

Offline 08G8V8

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Re: Drill Press: The Cats Meow for Woodworking.
« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2020, 05:04 PM »
I just recently installed my Woodpecker table. Yeah, I liked the idea of a round insert, but decided to do as suggested and offset the table forward by about an inch and adjusted the tracks for this position. I not get any way near as many positions to use prior to replacing, but can at least get 4 rotations, flip and get 4 more.  It has also been suggested to chamfer the corners for an octagon with 8 rotations and 8 more after flipping. I will give this a try too. At least it gives more flexibility than just keeping it centered.


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Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Drill Press: The Cats Meow for Woodworking.
« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2020, 05:26 PM »
I learned from previous tables that circular inserts are a better option than square or rectangle, and the bigger the diameter (up to a certain point) the better.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Drill Press: The Cats Meow for Woodworking.
« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2020, 11:51 AM »
Make a round insert that fits in the square recess in the WP table and offset front/back or left/right and you're good to go. You can spin it as often or as many times as you wish.

A circle template of the required diameter with a guide bushing like the set used for making butterfly inserts would let anyone quickly route the recess for the insert as well as make new inserts whenever they are needed.
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Offline derekcohen

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Re: Drill Press: The Cats Meow for Woodworking.
« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2020, 12:38 PM »
... I like your round insert, but not everyone is equipped to make round inserts...everyone can cut 1/2" material relatively square...

As mentioned, the circular sacrificial disks are 1/2" thick MDF. I found it quicker to saw them fractionally oversize on the bandsaw, and then turn them on the lathe. This literally took moments. I made several. They will last a while since they are also reversible.

Others have suggested a using a bandsaw or router table circle jig, or hole saw cutters.

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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Drill Press: The Cats Meow for Woodworking.
« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2020, 03:19 PM »
@kcufstoidi
If you use your Drillpress for a lot of varying woodworking operations you will find the high fences you're showing will interfere with the chuck. The fence Derek showed with the center opening is ideal and the lower profile fence found on the Woodpecker drill press addon table is most ideal. Being easy to remove is also a big bonus.

This is why I choose that type of fence, it can be used on the flat side as well.

@Michael Kellough
“ fastened to the table using 1/4" bolts and T-nuts. ”

If the head is inside the channel and the t-nut is buried in the bottom of the table, how is it tightened?

My bad, I didn't explain much. I'm not using t-nut sprung but standard nuts. a hole is drilled through the bottom layer and the nuts and washer are tighten from under the table. The tracks can be relocated or remove quickly.

@Jiggy Joiner what is the size of your insert? Looks like 120mm. I have forstner bits up to 2 1/2" so the insert need to be at least 120mm to be somehow efficient  [big grin]

I plan to make a 12mm pocket on the top layer with the CNC, prior to glue up.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2020, 03:23 PM by Mario Turcot »
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Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Drill Press: The Cats Meow for Woodworking.
« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2020, 03:33 PM »
@Mario Turcot Hi Mario, mine are 170mm diameter x 18mm

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« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2020, 03:34 PM »
@Mario Turcot Hi Mario, mine are 170mm diameter x 18mm

Wow, I was off a tid bit  [embarassed] yeah that big of an insert should cover all my bits  [wink]
« Last Edit: January 19, 2020, 11:10 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Drill Press: The Cats Meow for Woodworking.
« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2020, 03:43 PM »
Yes, I use various large Forstners and hole saws, so wanted the inserts fairly large.
The size works well for me, and if I need to use larger diameter bits, that won’t go within the inserts diameter, I just use a piece of sacrificial ply or MDF.
Most of the time, the 170mm is fine.
It also allows holes to be drilled into the inserts, to take various sanding drum attachments if needed  ;)
« Last Edit: January 19, 2020, 10:36 AM by Jiggy Joiner »

Offline martin felder

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Re: Drill Press: The Cats Meow for Woodworking.
« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2020, 02:45 AM »
Some day....vintage restored radial drill press.... I hope. 

With my current drill press or a future upgrade, there is still the issue of the table-fence.  I currently have the Woodpecker as shown by others in this thread.  I do not like their clamps that fit in the T track with 1/4 inch bolts.  I tend to just try to hold the wood, and at times regret that decision.

 I was at Woodcraft this past week and playing with the Automaxx clamps and though this would be nice.  I bought one.  The problem is that what secures it to a T track is a 5/16 and that does not fit on the Woodpecker T track which is only wide enough for 1/4 hex. 

So.... I think I am going to dado a channel in the table to allow a wider T track.

It seems like the Kreg clamps are superior to the Woodpeckers..... but I have not had the opportunity to use my clamp yet to know for sure. 

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Offline hdv

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Re: Drill Press: The Cats Meow for Woodworking.
« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2020, 09:15 AM »
Hi Martin,

I had the same problem with a Kregg Bench Clamp (which I do like a lot by the way). I solved it by buying their Bench Clamp Base. I removed the bolt and knob and replaced them with two washers and a wing nut. One washer and hex end of the bolt go into the T-track. The other washer prevents the wing nut from dropping into the clearing for the head of the original bolt in the base. The wing nut is used to fix the clamp in place from above. Any other type of nut that can be fastened by hand would work just as well. I am not near my shop at the moment. If you want I can make a photo when I am back home.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Drill Press: The Cats Meow for Woodworking.
« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2020, 11:34 AM »
I was at Woodcraft this past week and playing with the Automaxx clamps and though this would be nice.  I bought one.  The problem is that what secures it to a T track is a 5/16 and that does not fit on the Woodpecker T track which is only wide enough for 1/4 hex. 

So.... I think I am going to dado a channel in the table to allow a wider T track.

It seems like the Kreg clamps are superior to the Woodpeckers..... but I have not had the opportunity to use my clamp yet to know for sure.

Here are some Besseys that are similar in function. I adapted these to be used with 80/20 extrusions. The Besseys have a 20 mm post on the bottom which can simply be unscrewed. This leaves a 1/2" x 20 tapped hole in the bottom. A new mounting stud can be machined from a 1/2" x 20 hex head bolt. This stud fits 5/16" tracks however, it could be machined to a smaller profile that would work with 1/4" Woodpecker track.

Better yet, machine 3-4 for 5/16" use and 3-4 for 1/4" use and then just swap out the studs when appropriate.

On another note, I regularly use the Woodpecker flat aluminum clamps on my table and have not had any issues.

https://cdn.woodpeck.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1800x/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/d/r/drill-press-table_1_07.jpg






Online rvieceli

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Re: Drill Press: The Cats Meow for Woodworking.
« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2020, 12:43 PM »
Lee Valley makes the plates Cheese references, but they also make a t track mounting plate for those clamps as well that uses 1/4 inch bolts.

https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/hand-tools/clamps/71461-t-track-toggle-clamp-plate-and-bessey-auto-adjust-clamps

They also sell the whole deal.

https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/hand-tools/clamps/103107-t-track-toggle-clamp-plate-and-bessey-auto-adjust-clamps

But frankly the plates are not hard to fabricate and they provide a good exercise in drilling and tapping etc.

Ron

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Re: Drill Press: The Cats Meow for Woodworking.
« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2020, 12:57 PM »
Here’s mine. They are designed to fit into some 1/4-20 holes in my table. They could easily be adapted to a t track. The bases on the Besseys are about 2.5 inches square. So length of 2.5 inch 6061 aluminum  3/8 or 1/2 inch thick could make a few.

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Offline martin felder

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Re: Drill Press: The Cats Meow for Woodworking.
« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2020, 05:08 PM »
Very clever ideas.  When I look at the Kreg Automaxx demo,



Towards the end of the demo, they show the clamp being used with the Kreg track (wider opening than the Woodpecker).  What is nice is that unlike the DeStaco and other clamps, you do not have to screw adjust based on wood thickness.  Also, what is nice about the round part that fits into the T-slot, you do not have to turn it to line up like a hex.  Also nice is that you do not need to have a base attached to the clamp and no need to tighten it to the table - just slide and clamp the Automaxx.

If I was able to machine a 5/6 bolt to screw into the Automaxx on one end, and become a bit more narrow right as it protrudes before the rounded head to fit into the Woodpeckers T track like what is shown, then that would be great.  I could just substitute bolts that come with the Kreg to ones that allow me to have it fit the Woodpecker slot. 

However, I do not have anything to machine things and I do not believe these are commercially available for purchase.  So.... I think I will be making dados in my table at some point and adding 2 Kreg tracks.


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Re: Drill Press: The Cats Meow for Woodworking.
« Reply #49 on: January 19, 2020, 06:44 PM »
What is nice is that unlike the DeStaco and other clamps, you do not have to screw adjust based on wood thickness.

The Bessey unlike the DeStaco and its clones, offers an automatic internal spring adjustment feature that varies from 3/4" to 1 3/8" depending upon the clamp you select.

So, if you typically use 5/8" thick drawer material it will also automatically adjust to clamp up to 1 3/8" thick material.

https://www.bessey.de/en-US/BESSEY-Tools-North-America/Products/Clamping-Tools/Auto-adjust-toggle-clamps/Horizontal-toggle-clamp,-flanged-base

Offline martin felder

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Re: Drill Press: The Cats Meow for Woodworking.
« Reply #50 on: January 20, 2020, 12:51 PM »
Good to know.  Thanks.  I never really paid any attention to these Bessey clamps and did not know they had that ability to adjust.  They would have been better than DeStaco for my dovetail jig as then I could go from 5/8 to 3/4 thickness without adjustment. 

Still, they need a base which then goes into the slot.  Also, the Automaxx with the 3 and 6 inch sizes would seem to be easier to use. 

Unless someone knows where I can get a bolt like what was shown that will allow the Automaxx to be used with the Woodpecker table, I will just dado additional tracks for the Kreg, front to back, outside and parallel to the current red tracks.  That keeps options open and should not be that hard to do. 

Offline martin felder

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Re: Drill Press: The Cats Meow for Woodworking.
« Reply #51 on: April 25, 2021, 09:43 AM »
I am now selling what I think is the "cats meow" for drill presses. 

https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/classifieds/fs-the-ultimate-drill-press-for-woodworking-the-rockwell-ram-radial-arm/msg640913/?topicseen#msg640913

https://www.ebay.com/itm/254955172730?hash=item3b5c83337a:g:sJIAAOSwhnVghOPF

Actually, for it to really be the cat's meow, that would be to take this drill press, add a power lift and modify it so you can change the RPMs using a speed adjustment knob.