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Offline jussi

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Cubitron with Festool sanders
« on: April 21, 2021, 10:03 AM »
Will need to restock on sandpaper pretty soon and was thinking of giving the 3M Cubitron a try.  A couple of questions. 

1.  Have you noticed any significant advantages over Festool sand paper or Abranet (the other type I use currently) sandpaper

2. Will the paper fit directly on Festool sanders or will you need a special pad?  Or does the paper come in different hole configuration and you need to order the right model to fit Festool sanders?  I have a RO150 and ETSC 125. 

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Offline Cheese

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2021, 12:43 PM »
I have not used the 3M™ Cubitron™ II sanding discs, I've only used the Cubitron™ II product in cut-off discs for RA grinders.

As far as I can tell, the Cubitron™ II sanding discs are placed directly on the standard Festool sander pad. The statement below is from a 3M brochure.

"Longer-lasting discs improve productivity and the unique spiral multihole pattern is designed for quicker changes because hole alignment is not required."

The Cubitron™ II sanding discs are available in 40 to 400 grit.

https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/1282450O/3m-cubitron-ii-part-number-reference.pdf
« Last Edit: April 21, 2021, 12:55 PM by Cheese »

Offline afish

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2021, 12:44 PM »
Watching this thread.  As a fan of cubitron and festool sanders im stuck in the middle too.  You cannot buy cubitron in festool patern, you would have to custom punch each piece if you wanted the festool pattern. 3m has a line of pneumatic sanders for their cubitron.  Seems I remember that there was a video of someone using cubitron with festool with no modification to the paper and claiming it worked good. I wish Peter Milard would do a video.  He does a good job comparing the dust collection of festool sanders. 3m cubitron for the DTS would be sweet.   

Offline jussi

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2021, 12:54 PM »
I have not

Do you mean you haven’t used it or you haven’t noticed any quality difference?

Offline jussi

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2021, 12:56 PM »
Watching this thread.  As a fan of cubitron and festool sanders im stuck in the middle too.  You cannot buy cubitron in festool patern, you would have to custom punch each piece if you wanted the festool pattern. 3m has a line of pneumatic sanders for their cubitron.  Seems I remember that there was a video of someone using cubitron with festool with no modification to the paper and claiming it worked good. I wish Peter Milard would do a video.  He does a good job comparing the dust collection of festool sanders. 3m cubitron for the DTS would be sweet.

Good to know about the pattern. I guess I’ll hold off for now till they make a compatible hole pattern or there is an easy way to modify the existing ones.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2021, 12:57 PM »
I have not

Do you mean you haven’t used it or you haven’t noticed any quality difference?

See my latest post...I posted 3 different times and the post never showed up so the short "I have not" post was only a place holder to find out what was wrong.

This is the photo I was trying to attach, the over all size was correct but the resolution was excessive.

A standard 3M disc on the standard Festool LEX 3 150 air sander pad. 

« Last Edit: April 21, 2021, 01:36 PM by Cheese »

Offline Cheese

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2021, 01:35 PM »
3M cubitron for the DTS would be sweet.

Can't help you out with the DTS, however 3M manufactures Cubitron rolls that are 80 mm wide so that would work on a RTS sander.


Offline afish

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2021, 04:25 PM »
Watching this thread.  As a fan of cubitron and festool sanders im stuck in the middle too.  You cannot buy cubitron in festool patern, you would have to custom punch each piece if you wanted the festool pattern. 3m has a line of pneumatic sanders for their cubitron.  Seems I remember that there was a video of someone using cubitron with festool with no modification to the paper and claiming it worked good. I wish Peter Milard would do a video.  He does a good job comparing the dust collection of festool sanders. 3m cubitron for the DTS would be sweet.

Good to know about the pattern. I guess I’ll hold off for now till they make a compatible hole pattern or there is an easy way to modify the existing ones.

DOnt hold your breath I doubt 3m will ever make a festool specific hole pattern.  As mentioned I have heard the existing hole pattern works but I would like someone with first hand experience comment.  Dust collection for sanding is my prime reason for using Festool sanders so if the dust collection is compromised at all with the cubitron I will just stick with granat.  Next time I need some 5" I will try some but I just stocked up so it will be awhile.   

Offline tsmi243

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2021, 05:22 PM »
I've done it.  I've only used 220+ grit, but performance and dust collection was just as good as Granat

ETS EC 125
CT26 on not-quite-lowest possible speed

Will try some coarse grit and report back.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2021, 05:23 PM »
I’ve used Norton abrasive disks with a similar hole pattern as the 3M Cubitron and dust collection was good, but it was 320 grit so the dust particles had no problem slipping through the small holes. Don’t think I’d want to sand with 40 grit and that hole pattern. Also ETS 125.

Offline tsmi243

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2021, 06:03 PM »
Just did some red oak and a scrap of hemlock with 80+.  No swirlies, and dust collection is still excellent.  Even with Granat, if you wipe your hand on the board after sanding, you get a little bit of white dust on your fingers- it was the same with the Cubitron.  Nothing escaping the tool, nothing tangible on the surface afterward.  Surface texture was indistinguishable to my eyes.  A+++, would sand again.

ETS EC was set on 6.  CT26 cranked up about 10% from the lowest setting. 

I don't have any projects coming up soon, but if a longer sanding session shows different results, I'll chime in again.

Offline afish

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2021, 06:07 PM »
thanks for feedback. 

Offline HandyDen

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2021, 08:05 PM »
Just did some red oak and a scrap of hemlock with 80+.  No swirlies, and dust collection is still excellent.  Even with Granat, if you wipe your hand on the board after sanding, you get a little bit of white dust on your fingers- it was the same with the Cubitron.  Nothing escaping the tool, nothing tangible on the surface afterward.  Surface texture was indistinguishable to my eyes.  A+++, would sand again.

ETS EC was set on 6.  CT26 cranked up about 10% from the lowest setting. 

I don't have any projects coming up soon, but if a longer sanding session shows different results, I'll chime in again.

I had the same experience.  I’m using the Cubitron with my RO125 and ETSC125, having switched from Granat and Abranet.  The dust collection is just as good, but it seems as if the paper lasts longer.  In fact, I just called my Sherwin Williams rep and asked him to stock Cubitron so I can get it locally.

Offline jussi

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2021, 09:20 PM »
Just did some red oak and a scrap of hemlock with 80+.  No swirlies, and dust collection is still excellent.  Even with Granat, if you wipe your hand on the board after sanding, you get a little bit of white dust on your fingers- it was the same with the Cubitron.  Nothing escaping the tool, nothing tangible on the surface afterward.  Surface texture was indistinguishable to my eyes.  A+++, would sand again.

ETS EC was set on 6.  CT26 cranked up about 10% from the lowest setting. 

I don't have any projects coming up soon, but if a longer sanding session shows different results, I'll chime in again.

I had the same experience.  I’m using the Cubitron with my RO125 and ETSC125, having switched from Granat and Abranet.  The dust collection is just as good, but it seems as if the paper lasts longer.  In fact, I just called my Sherwin Williams rep and asked him to stock Cubitron so I can get it locally.

Do most of the holes in the pad line up to the holes in the paper?  Roughly (ie more than half, 3/4, etc ?) how many holes line up?  The good dust collection is surprising to me.  Also when you put it on, do you have to do it a certain way to make most of the holes align?   Didn't think a paper that was not specifically designed to line up with a given sander pad would give good results.  I may give it a try. 

Thank you all for sharing your results.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2021, 09:24 PM by jussi »

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2021, 09:27 PM »
The holes in the Cubitron and Norton disks don’t match any sander pads but it doesn’t seem to matter, at least in the finer grits. The holes in Abranet are even smaller and also pad agnostic.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2021, 09:38 PM »
Do most of the holes in the pad line up to the holes in the paper?  Roughly (ie more than half, 3/4, etc ?) how many holes line up?  The good dust collection is surprising to me.  Also when you put it on, do you have to do it a certain way to make most of the holes align?   Didn't think a paper that was not specifically designed to line up with a given sander pad would give good results.  I may give it a try. 

Just believe in what Mother Mining has to offer...she'll not steer you wrong. Over the last 100 years she's had a stellar record.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2021, 09:49 PM »

Just believe in what Mother Mining has to offer...she'll not steer you wrong. Over the last 100 years she's had a stellar record.


So, what does the other M stand for  [poke]

I learned decades ago, if 3M sells something and you follow the directions, there is no doubt that it will do what they said it would.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2021, 10:03 PM »
So, what does the other M stand for  [poke]

I learned decades ago, if 3M sells something and you follow the directions, there is no doubt that it will do what they said it would.

Ya, big supporter of and previous employee of the company. Mother Mining may politically speak from both sides of her mouth, but technically, she issues forth only a single voice...that's the voice to listen to because that is what she is.  [smile]

Offline squall_line

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2021, 10:04 PM »

Just believe in what Mother Mining has to offer...she'll not steer you wrong. Over the last 100 years she's had a stellar record.


So, what does the other M stand for  [poke]

Heh.  [cool]

Just so our partners across the pond don't start to get all wonderin' about it, it officially stood for Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing Company.

Offline jussi

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2021, 10:23 PM »
Alight guys I'm sold.    Where do you guys buy them from?

Offline Cheese

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2021, 10:57 PM »
Just so our partners across the pond don't start to get all wonderin' about it, it officially stood for Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing Company.

Ya, it all started by harvesting corundum stone in Duluth Minnesota in 1902 to make sandpaper.

An interesting aside is that probably 80-90% of 3M's products are produced on a web. That's the reason web technology is so important. Tape, post-it-notes, ribbon, sandpaper, Scotch-Brite, random woven fibers are all a product of web technology and then slit to width and/or cut to length.


Offline jussi

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2021, 12:19 AM »
Just saw this video and chart comparing different sandpaper including the cubitron



https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0091/2169/3747/files/Sanding_Review_Complete.pdf?v=1595430096

Offline HandyDen

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2021, 09:05 PM »
Alight guys I'm sold.    Where do you guys buy them from?

I originally bought a "sampler" pack of 15 (3 each of 80, 120, 150, 180 and 220) for $7.50 on Amazon.  They also sell the 50 packs for about $42, or $.84/each.  But since the "sampler" packs end up costing $.50/each, I'm continuing to buy it that way for the moment.

Offline tsmi243

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2021, 05:42 PM »
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"sampler" pack of 15

Same here.  Some of the came with no holes, so I'm using those on sanding blocks.  The reviews elsewhere show Cubitron kicking the stuff out of the competition.  So far so good, but I'm not a pro.

Holes- they line up well enough, you really don't need to pay any attention.  Just slap it on and go.

Offline squall_line

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2021, 12:00 PM »
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"sampler" pack of 15

Same here. 

Do either of you have links to that listing or a part number or something?  Amazon's search algorithms, "sponsored" listings, etc. make it next to impossible to find things without a specific part number, and even then it can be pretty dodgy...

Offline jussi

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2021, 12:16 PM »
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"sampler" pack of 15

Same here. 

Do either of you have links to that listing or a part number or something?  Amazon's search algorithms, "sponsored" listings, etc. make it next to impossible to find things without a specific part number, and even then it can be pretty dodgy...

I didn't see the previous posts when I ordered and didn't know Amazon carried it so I ordered from Taylor toolworks.  They have 2 variations of the sampler pack.  80 - 220 and 240 - 400.   I ordered 1 of each and is supposed to arrive today.  They sell it for $10.99.  I only saw the 5" not sure if they carry 6" versions.

https://taytools.com/products/3m-775l-sanding-discs-cubiton-ii-hookit-hook-and-loop-attachment-clean-sand-multi-hole-dust-extraction-15-disc-multi-pack-80-400-gri7?variant=32003827466327

Offline Rick Herrick

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2021, 12:42 PM »
Do either of you have links to that listing or a part number or something?  Amazon's search algorithms, "sponsored" listings, etc. make it next to impossible to find things without a specific part number, and even then it can be pretty dodgy...
I just found this.

https://www.amazon.com/3M-Cubitron-Sanding-87338-Coating/dp/B07FGL2BC9/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2V6EXJ5MK4UMD&dchild=1&keywords=3m+775l+5%22+sanding+discs+15+disc+multi+pack+cubitron+ii+hookit&qid=1619282391&sprefix=3m+775l%2Caps%2C158&sr=8-2

3M Cubitron II Hookit Clean Sanding Film Disc 775L

Offline afish

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2021, 01:08 PM »
Do either of you have links to that listing or a part number or something?  Amazon's search algorithms, "sponsored" listings, etc. make it next to impossible to find things without a specific part number, and even then it can be pretty dodgy...
I just found this.

https://www.amazon.com/3M-Cubitron-Sanding-87338-Coating/dp/B07FGL2BC9/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2V6EXJ5MK4UMD&dchild=1&keywords=3m+775l+5%22+sanding+discs+15+disc+multi+pack+cubitron+ii+hookit&qid=1619282391&sprefix=3m+775l%2Caps%2C158&sr=8-2

3M Cubitron II Hookit Clean Sanding Film Disc 775L

I was about to buy a few boxes of these but noticed the reviews say NO holes. Please beware

Offline Rick Herrick

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2021, 01:10 PM »
I was about to buy a few boxes of these but noticed the reviews say NO holes. Please beware
Thats one good thing about Amazon.  If they aren't as pictured, they go back.

Offline afish

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2021, 01:23 PM »
Yea Amazon is great with returns but I still try to eliminate as many bad/wrong purchases as possible.  However I did go to the 3M website and the 87338 discs which you linked to does list them as the "clean sanding discs" so I ordered one box to see. One review said they did have holes many said no so it sounds like its hit or miss. I will report back when they arrive.

Offline Rick Herrick

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2021, 03:49 PM »
I got the impression they used to be hole-less but a lot of customer complaints got it fixed.  Fingers crossed.

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