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Online Cheese

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #60 on: September 08, 2021, 09:54 PM »
Which pad is the correct one to use for mesh paper?

The 492271 StickFix Interface Pad or something else.

Festool offers a series of protection pads. They're all about 1/8" thick.

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203343 = 150 series
203346 = RTS series
203347 = DTS series

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Offline Lincoln

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #61 on: September 08, 2021, 11:06 PM »
Which pad is the correct one to use for mesh paper?

The 492271 StickFix Interface Pad or something else.

No, that's for following curves/round overs etc. You want a 'pad saver', which protects the hook and loop from damage caused by the mesh. They're a disposable item, available from Mirka.

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #62 on: September 09, 2021, 05:44 AM »
Thanks Cheese and Lincoln. Sounds like a trip to Woodcraft is in order.

Only bad part is I'll probably come home with more than just the pad.  [big grin]

Haven't been to Woodcraft in over a year with the pandemic. Might be
time to take a trip over the bridge into Delaware. It's 35 miles one way
and a $5 bridge toll so I have to make it worth my while. I don't think
there is a Woodcraft in all of NJ.

Update: Glad I called before I headed over there as they have none in stock
so I order off the web. Should be here by Saturday. They come two to a pack
for $13.00
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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #63 on: September 09, 2021, 08:51 AM »
Which pad is the correct one to use for mesh paper?

The 492271 StickFix Interface Pad or something else.

Not sure about others but the last time I got some Diablo mesh it came with an interface pad in the package.  I agree with Alex however I was not impressed with the Diablo mesh I dont remember exactly what I was sanding but I do remember once it hit a corner or edge it disintegrates fast

I use and love the film backed Cubitron paper. It is the only sandpaper I buy now.  I will say on some sanders such as ETS 125 Req I feel like the dust collection does suffer a bit with the film backed disks.  No fancy scientific tests were done to come to that conclusion just my personal and objective observation.  Im going to give the cube mesh a try and really, really hope its more durable than the Diablo.  If so it could be the perfect disc if it performs like in the KM video. 

Online Cheese

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #64 on: September 09, 2021, 10:20 AM »
I use and love the film backed Cubitron paper. It is the only sandpaper I buy now.  I will say on some sanders such as ETS 125 Req I feel like the dust collection does suffer a bit with the film backed disks.  No fancy scientific tests were done to come to that conclusion just my personal and objective observation. 

Here's a recent example on teak outdoor furniture. The results are pretty obvious. Once I get back to this teak sanding project, I'll try attaching the MIDI to the ETSC and look at those results. 

1. An ETSC 125 with only the vacuum bag
2. An ETS EC 125/150 with a MIDI 1 attached.










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Offline afish

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #65 on: September 09, 2021, 10:27 AM »
are you saying you think the dust collection with the 3m cube is just as good as with granat?

Online Cheese

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #66 on: September 09, 2021, 10:50 AM »
are you saying you think the dust collection with the 3m cube is just as good as with granat?

For the ETSC 125 if you're using the dust bag and relying on the internal vac fan on the sander, the larger diameter Granat holes do a lot better job.

For the ETS EC while using Cubitron I also cranked up the amount of suction on the MIDI and that now does as well as the Granat.

It will be interesting to attach the MIDI to the ETSC 125 and see if that helps dust extraction. I think it will I just don't know how much. I think you're also somewhat limited because of the number of holes in the 5" pad versus the 6" pad.

The 5" has 9 large holes and that's it.
The 6" has 16 large holes, 16 medium holes and 38 small holes.

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #67 on: September 09, 2021, 11:05 AM »
Thanks for the review cheese. I have an ets ec 150 and Etsy 125.  I only had the 5” Cubitron but recently ordered the 6”.  I have a ct 26 so I’m curious to see how well the dc will perform with larger diameter discs and larger sander.  The 5” was ok but not great for me.
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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #68 on: September 09, 2021, 09:23 PM »
good review

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #69 on: September 25, 2021, 09:47 PM »
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Not sure about others but the last time I got some Diablo mesh it came with an interface pad in the package.  I agree with Alex however I was not impressed with the Diablo mesh I dont remember exactly what I was sanding but I do remember once it hit a corner or edge it disintegrates fast

Diablo’s interface pad doesn’t work (actually align) with Festool’s hole patterns.  You’ll need to use Festool’s interface pads with whatever brand mesh abrasive you choose if you want the dust collection to function properly.

Mesh disintegrates when you hit a sharp or rough edge, or metal nail, screw, ect.  Matters not whether the disc is from Diablo, Mirka , or Festool.  It’s one of the drawbacks of the type.

Is it the best?   Prob. not, but at roughly 35cents a disc on sale it’s a top contender for value.

Offline afish

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #70 on: September 30, 2021, 08:50 AM »
So my sample 3m cubitron mesh pack finally arrived and I tested it out yesterday sanding some bare wood (marine ply) and figured I would report my findings.  I found the 3m mesh to be much much more durable than the Diablo mesh I tried before.  However, it still doesnt last nearly as long as the regular 3m cubitron film backed discs.  I will say I didnt expect them too either, those film backed discs are some really durable discs and last a long time. 

But and its a pretty big but the 3m cube mesh really shines in dust collection over the film discs.  I used them on a ets 125 req not the ec which has more holes and might be better and have a better chance at the holes matching up.  The req holes dont match up very well with the film backed cubitron so DC will suffer even with a ct36 attached compared to using granat.

Long story short if you want better DC control =mesh.  If durability and longevity are most important than the 3m cubitron film discs is the winner.

I plan on getting an ets 125 ec soon so my req can stay permanently in the edge guide.  I use my req and edge guide a lot for smoothing up edges when parts come off the cnc so the film discs are the clear winner in that scenario since I am sanding 100% edges and I will use the EC for larger flatter surfaces. My biggest issue is Im not a fan of having the dust hose attached with the edge guide since it creates some extra wrist strain and using the bag is so much lighter, faster and more maneuverable with the edge guide so I think my best bet is making a punch to put the festool hole pattern in the cubitron to give the edge guide/bag combo the best dust collection while keeping the lighter more maneuverable bag on.

I will be sticking with the film discs which I love its by far the best performing, longest lasting, clog resistant sandpaper I have ever used.       

Offline Brad Nailor

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #71 on: April 26, 2022, 08:23 AM »
I'm new to this forum and came across it while searching for information about using the 3M Xtract Cubitron net disks on Festool sanders.  I bought a large supply of these disks based on reviews (like KM Tools) but have been unable to use them because they won't stick to my Festool ETS-EC sander's pad at all.  This is a brand new sander so the pad is in good shape, but the disks begin to wander immediately and fly off as soon as you lift the sander off the work piece.  I've tried contacting both Festool and 3M to get answers about this but so far have not found anyone who can give me a definitive answer.  So is 3M's Hookit system a different type of hook & loop that will only work with 3M sanders?  I've seen some responses on here talk about using an interface pad, is the purpose of that to protect your sander's pad while using a thin mesh disk?  If the interface pad has the Festool style hook & loop on both sides it wouldn't make the disk stick any better.  I've been searching for an interface pad that has the Festool style H&L on the back and the 3M Hookit on the front but so far haven't found such a thing.  Can anyone shed any light?  Thank you.

Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #72 on: April 26, 2022, 08:37 AM »
Mirka has interface pads that should work.
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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #73 on: April 26, 2022, 01:08 PM »
R@Brad Nailor Sedge discussed the Festool StickFix details in the most recent Festool Live video. In his explanation the Festool Hook system just has extra hooks in opposing directions. But as pointed out, the interface pads have softer hooks which work better than the direct sander pad when using the “net” or mesh style abrasives.

Offline Brad Nailor

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #74 on: April 26, 2022, 04:11 PM »
Thanks for the responses.  I picked up a Festool interface pad and the net disks stick great to the interface pad... but the interface pad does not stick to the sander.  Now I'm really confused, this is a practically new Festool ETS-EC, why won't Festool's own interface pads stick to it?

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« Reply #75 on: April 26, 2022, 04:33 PM »
Thanks for the responses.  I picked up a Festool interface pad and the net disks stick great to the interface pad... but the interface pad does not stick to the sander.  Now I'm really confused, this is a practically new Festool ETS-EC, why won't Festool's own interface pads stick to it?

If you used the current pad for even a short period with the mesh discs you probably already compromised the pad. Im assuming this based on your other post made it sound like you attempted it.  It doesnt take much to ruin the pad.  Have you tried a regular sanding disc to see if it stays stuck to the pad?

Offline Brad Nailor

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #76 on: April 26, 2022, 04:56 PM »
That could well be what happened.  A regular disk does stick better, but not great, and not as well as they used to.  So if the mesh disks ruin your sanding pads in short order what are you supposed to do?  Aren't they going to ruin an interface pad as well?  And the interface pads are not cheap.  There ought to be warnings on the mesh pads about this problem, it's not mentioned anywhere in the product descriptions when you go to buy them.

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #77 on: April 26, 2022, 05:00 PM »
I see there were a couple posts back in Jan, 2019 about "pad savers".  I guess that's what I need.

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #78 on: April 26, 2022, 05:19 PM »
Yea, if a regular disc doesnt stick "good" thats what happened.  A fresh pad the disc sticks so good its hard to remove.  I dont use or like the mesh discs so I cant comment on the longevity of the pad saver.  The best discs made are the 3m film backed Cubitron hands down, but the DC is compromised a bit unless you custom punch them. It sucks I know. I wish 3m made them in different pre punched configurations but its 3m so that will never happen.

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #79 on: April 26, 2022, 05:34 PM »
So I did some searches and I can't find any disks that are referred to as both Cubitron and film-backed.  There are the non-mesh type of Cubitron disks with the spiral hole patterns, and then there are the purple film-backed finishing disks that don't seem to have any holes in them at all.  Is it one of these that you are referring to, or something else?

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #80 on: April 26, 2022, 05:39 PM »
3M Cubitron II Hookit Clean Sanding Film Disc 775L are the film based disks - Amazon

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #81 on: April 26, 2022, 05:39 PM »
https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b40065039/  things wear like steel and resist clogging better than anything I have found. If you happen to touch the edge of the disc wile its spinning it will cut you like a razor. So be careful with that. 

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #82 on: April 26, 2022, 05:47 PM »
Thanks very much guys.

Online Cheese

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #83 on: April 26, 2022, 05:56 PM »
3M makes Cubitron in film and paper based discs.

The discs with holes are referred to as "Clean Sanding" while the discs without holes are usually referred to as NH (no hole).

HOOKIT is hook & loop backing while STICKIT is PSA (pressure sensitive adhesive) backing.



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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #84 on: April 26, 2022, 06:20 PM »
Thanks (from the Land of 11,981 lakes).

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #85 on: April 26, 2022, 11:38 PM »
I see there were a couple posts back in Jan, 2019 about "pad savers".  I guess that's what I need.
Hi Brad, et al,

    Festool offers what they refer to as Protection Pads....in the Festool world they are used with Granat Net abrasives and Mirka has something similar for use with Abranet. Interestingly, the Festool version are significantly cheaper than the Mirka versions. The 6" or D150mm are Item number 203343 and the 5" or D125mm are Item number 203344. In the Festool world they are also available in Delta 100x150 and the rectangular 80x133. They come two to a pack. It looks like they might work well with the Hookit version of Cubitron. So here's a question for all of you sophisticated users....I found a 15 sheet sample pack of the 5" but could find nothing similar for the 6" cubitron....anybody have any ideas on where it could be found?
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Online Cheese

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #86 on: April 26, 2022, 11:58 PM »
So here's a question for all of you sophisticated users....I found a 15 sheet sample pack of the 5" but could find nothing similar for the 6" cubitron....anybody have any ideas on where it could be found?

That's the nice feature of the ETS EC 125/150 hybrid sander. You own one sander that's capable with 2 different sanding pad sizes.

So to answer your question directly, no I have not found sample packs for the 6" discs...just for the 5" discs, I think I paid 30 cents per sheet...cheaper than cheap.  [smile]

So by purchasing the ETS EC 125 you can use either a 5" pad or a 6" pad depending upon what size SANDING DISCS ARE AVAILABLE, so it really isn't a I'll only use 5" or I'll only use 6" discs scenario, it's more of a I HAVE OPTIONS scenario. That's been lost on a lot of folks that don't look at the ETS EC 125's flexibility.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2022, 12:21 AM by Cheese »

Offline afish

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #87 on: April 27, 2022, 06:56 AM »
no sample packs in 6" Best supplier seems to be RS Hughes they seem to have everything the site can be hard to search for odd ball items

Offline Brad Nailor

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #88 on: April 27, 2022, 09:09 AM »
Really?  You can put a 6" pad on an ETS-EC 125?  All these things I didn't know.  Good thing I found this forum.

Also, thanks for the info about the Festool protection pads, I just ordered a 2-pack. Seems like the price is about the same as the Mirka at $7 unless there is a cheaper price somewhere.  But I assume the Festool pads will work better on a Festool sander and don't have all of the unnecessary extra holes.

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Re: Cubitron with Festool sanders
« Reply #89 on: April 27, 2022, 09:49 AM »
Really?  You can put a 6" pad on an ETS-EC 125?  All these things I didn't know.  Good thing I found this forum.

Yup...here's a previous thread.

https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/ask-festool/ets-ec-125150/60/