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Offline Huggehus-Lars

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Re: Considering a Hammer K3 - What options do owners recommend?
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2021, 05:04 PM »
I have the outrigger table and the longer sliding table (1250 mm).  The outrigger table is a nice thing to have if you are cutting plywood as it helps to stabilize the larger material.  For me, it was a transition from conventional cabinet tablesaw to a sliding tablesaw.  Is it necessary to have the outrigger, that is more of a personal choice.  My thought was to put the options on the unit as an initial purchase.  Just last night I was using the outrigger table on the saw to cut larger sheets. 

Definitely get the 900 mm Crosscut fence. 

If you are considering the rolling cart portion of the saw, that is something where I might suggest looking at the Bora mobile base.  I bought the original mobile unit sold by Felder, but found that having the Bora mobile base is a more friendly in my shop.

I also agree the Fritz and Franz setup is a good idea.  However, there is a good series on YouTube for building your own.

Hi Indywoodworker,
I have a Hammer type mobile unit on a band saw and it is a pain to use - and then you have to store the handle bar. So I can see you preferring a mobile base like the Bora. However, did the standard Bora mobile base fit the machine? The Bora website says that the PM-3550 "Adjusts from 20.75 x 23.75 inches to 28 x 33.5 inches (53x60 cm to 71x85 cm)". I am in the process of ordering a Hammer B3 winner, which I believe has the same cabinet dimensions as the K3 winner of 76cm x 96cm. Thus the Bora base does not seem to be large enough? Or do I get something wrong here?

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Offline Indywoodworker

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Re: Considering a Hammer K3 - What options do owners recommend?
« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2021, 08:29 AM »
I believe BORA sell expansion bars for the mobile base which I bought.  I will take a photograph of the setup and include with my next response.  I have a preference for the following mobile bases in my shop: 1) BORA PM-3550 Super-Duty All-Swivel Mobile Base (Hammer K3) with extension bars and 2) Rockler All-Terrain Mobile Base (H950 Sander and A3-21 Jointer/Planar).  I do have the Hammer N4400 with the original Felder mobility kit, but I will eventually replace that with either a mobile base from Rockler or from Bora.  With these mobile bases, the machines move quite easily in my shop when I need them to and when I want to fix them in a location, i engage the locking mechanism. 

I hope this helps with the photograph that I attached.  The mobile base is fairly robust and seems to hold up well when I move the saw around the shop.  I just have to remember that the saw is heavy and it does take a little oomph.

 
« Last Edit: March 02, 2021, 08:26 PM by Indywoodworker »

Offline Mini Me

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Re: Considering a Hammer K3 - What options do owners recommend?
« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2021, 06:54 AM »
Leitz sell what I am led to believe is the same blade under their brand, at least they do in Oz. Using one actually saves a lot of money and they are simply are great blade and it never needs to be changed. I am sure Felder would get one in or you could buy one from a distribtor in another country but that seems to be something that people in the US are reluctant to do for some reason where we in Oz do it routinely.  One exception I would make would be never to use it when resawing wood that has previously been used even if it has been checked with a metal detector.

Since writing this I have to recant some of the above. I recently found that when cutting thick mitres (40mm in pine) we experienced blade deflection and had to change the blade. You will also need the matching riving knife for the blade as well. Another gotcha when changing blades of different kerfs is that the calibration on the fence goes out the window as well. Even with these issues I wouldn't go back to normal blades as the diamond one saves so much time in unneeded blade changes.

Offline StanB

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Re: Considering a Hammer K3 - What options do owners recommend?
« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2021, 05:02 PM »


Leitz sell what I am led to believe is the same blade under their brand, at least they do in Oz. Using one actually saves a lot of money and they are simply are great blade and it never needs to be changed. I am sure Felder would get one in or you could buy one from a distribtor in another country but that seems to be something that people in the US are reluctant to do for some reason where we in Oz do it routinely.  One exception I would make would be never to use it when resawing wood that has previously been used even if it has been checked with a metal detector.

Since writing this I have to recant some of the above. I recently found that when cutting thick mitres (40mm in pine) we experienced blade deflection and had to change the blade. You will also need the matching riving knife for the blade as well. Another gotcha when changing blades of different kerfs is that the calibration on the fence goes out the window as well. Even with these issues I wouldn't go back to normal blades as the diamond one saves so much time in unneeded blade changes.

I agree. I have this blade and it is really nice. I bought it thru Felder (you have to ask for it as it is not on their eshop). I concur with all the pros/cons from above. It is really nice for ripping. you get alot better yield, no burning, and it is alot easier to push material thru.
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Offline egmiii

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Re: Considering a Hammer K3 - What options do owners recommend?
« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2021, 05:06 PM »
Glad to hear there are happy user of the diamond blade. I ordered one last week.

Offline Chris_Barr

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Re: Considering a Hammer K3 - What options do owners recommend?
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2021, 04:55 AM »
Hello All

I am considering a Hammer K3, (or perhaps a Minimax SC2). Space is quite limited so I don't think I have room for the outrigger table for panel crosscuts therefore ruling out the K3 Winner Comfort (the one with the outrigger table attached to the sliding table as standard).

Some of the options remaining on their Basic/Winner Lines include:

Sliding Table itself: Length of 800mm (base option) or 1250mm

Fences
Crosscut Fence: 900mm (base) or add 750mm extension
Rip Fence: Basic Rip Fence / Rip Fence with Large round bar / Cast iron rip fence rip capacity 800mm
Fine adjustment for pro rip fence

Saw unit
Scoring: No / Yes
Dado Unit: I am in Europe, didnt know these were allowed? Anyone have any experience?

Other
Rolling castors + Lifting bar

Anyone owners past or present care to share their experience? Oh, I intend on using this saw for a variety of work, some panels, some boards etc.

Thanks

Hi Prizen

I have the K3 Winner with 1250 wagon (it actually rips 1345mm), along with the Professional (upgraded) fence (the one on the round bar), no scoring unit, and I do not do dados on a table saw.

My target area is solid wood furniture. I do not work with MDF or chipboard. If you work with melamine coatings, then you need a scoring blade. Not relevant for me.

My space is limited to a double garage (and half of this is for machines, the other half for hand tools) ...

Older photos ...





The K3 has received a number of modifications/additions to improve it. One is the Wixey digital gauge ...



Another was the addition of a router table to the outfeed ...



Read up on Fritz & Frans jig - lots on YouTube. The wagon without the outrigger requires that it work in reverse. Consequently I designed a "reversed F&F jig" ...



Using the F&F makes you aware that a 800mm wagon is too short. Do not be tempted to get one. The 1250 works well (and there are ways to make it work longer - more on this another time).

Regards from Perth

Derek


Hi Guys,

I'm relatively new to this forum but have found the information and ideas surrounding the K3 winner invaluable when deciding whether to buy one or not. It seems like the advice and info given by members has helped a number of people make the move towards the K3.

I was wondering whether you might be able to help me decide one final thing. I have already placed an order for the K3 winner, with dado option, 1250mm slider, a couple of blades and the triangular slider side extension but I can't decide whether upgrading to the steel 'Felder Professional' rip fence with round steel bar would be a worthwhile addition. Here in the UK it is a reasonable bump in price but I'm torn to whether it would be a worthwhile investment and wondered what you guys thought.

Really looking forward to receiving my machine but would just like some advice in putting this rip fence niggle to bed!

Thanks in advance,

Cheers,

Chris

Offline derekcohen

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Re: Considering a Hammer K3 - What options do owners recommend?
« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2021, 11:10 PM »
Chris, since those pictures were taken I have added a micro-adjuster to the Professional rip fence ...



This, together with the Wixey digital read out, is a sublime combination. I am not sure whether the lower specified fence can do this.

One thing that can be done with the round fence rail is angling/tilting the rip fence to a vertical position. This gets it out of the way for long cross cuts. It would be impossible with the square rail.

Overall, I imagine the round fence and Professional rip fence is a more solid and advanced fence.

The slider also now has a parallel guide I designed. This is simply amazing, and I recommend it to all with sliders. It replaces a Fritz and Frans ...



Details:  http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Powered%20Tools%20and%20Machinery/ParallelGuideForK3Slider_html_1fdf2a4a.jpg

Lastly, I added a micro-adjuster to the slider crosscut fence ...



Detail:  http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Powered%20Tools%20and%20Machinery/CrosscutFenceMicroAdjust.html

I have also added a Power Tool and Machinery page to my website (which is otherwise predominantly hand tool orientated) ...

http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Powered%20Tools%20and%20Machinery/index.html

Regards from Perth

Derek

« Last Edit: March 12, 2021, 11:13 PM by derekcohen »
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Offline Chris_Barr

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Re: Considering a Hammer K3 - What options do owners recommend?
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2021, 06:52 AM »
Hi Derek,

Thanks for the reply.

I think I'll bite the bullet and go for the pro fence and bar. It looks like a sturdier option to the aluminium round bar that is the other option and it also looks like it had a better readout.

Thanks again,

Chris

Offline infer

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Re: Considering a Hammer K3 - What options do owners recommend?
« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2021, 04:38 AM »
I find the K3 Winner fence with aluminum round bar the worst. Even the square Basic K3 fence is better.
When you tighten the screw to secure the fence the assembly rotates and messes up your measurement. Upgrade or downgrade!

Offline Chris_Barr

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Re: Considering a Hammer K3 - What options do owners recommend?
« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2021, 05:13 AM »
I find the K3 Winner fence with aluminum round bar the worst. Even the square Basic K3 fence is better.
When you tighten the screw to secure the fence the assembly rotates and messes up your measurement. Upgrade or downgrade!

Thanks for your insight! I spoke to the Felder rep yesterday and have upgraded to the cam lock steel bar.

Offline RussellS

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Re: Considering a Hammer K3 - What options do owners recommend?
« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2021, 09:30 PM »
Question for Chris Barr, and others too.  I see you added a router table to your K3 tablesaw.  Hammer also sells a K3 with a built in shaper and/or router table.  Can't remember the official letter name of this saw/shaper unit and whether Hammer has joined Felder in allowing both a shaper and interchangeable router spindle.  But they do have a unit with built in router now and for the past many years.  Would it be better to just get the combo unit?  Instead of adding the separate router table into the tablesaw.  Or maybe get the combo unit up front and add in the separate router table too.

Offline cider

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Re: Considering a Hammer K3 - What options do owners recommend?
« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2021, 10:46 PM »
I’ve never seen an OEM router table for the K3. Interested.

I have the saw/shaper (B3), but I never bothered with the router spindle, because it’s pretty slow.

Offline Tom Gensmer

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Re: Considering a Hammer K3 - What options do owners recommend?
« Reply #42 on: March 26, 2021, 12:48 PM »
The Hammer saw/shaper combo is the B3.

I have the Felder saw/shaper KF700S, with a 1-1/4" spindle and the "high speed" router spindle. The Felder router spindle spins at 15K rpm, which is fine for larger cutters but a little slow for smaller cutters. That being said, with 7.5hp the spindle does not slow down under load, so it's 15k no matter what.

My memory is that the Hammer router spindle option spins at 10k rpm, but I may be wrong on that.

Big picture, the router spindle in a shaper doesn't really replace a router table, but it's an excellent complement.

Other users have produced aftermarket router tables that fit in an existing gap in the out-feed side of the Hammer K3/B3 table extension wing.
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Offline Mini Me

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Re: Considering a Hammer K3 - What options do owners recommend?
« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2021, 07:24 AM »
I find the K3 Winner fence with aluminum round bar the worst. Even the square Basic K3 fence is better.
When you tighten the screw to secure the fence the assembly rotates and messes up your measurement. Upgrade or downgrade!

I have K3 and I am puzzled what screw and how it affects the fence setting. Can you please elaborate a bit more and there may be a fix.

Offline infer

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Re: Considering a Hammer K3 - What options do owners recommend?
« Reply #44 on: March 29, 2021, 08:00 AM »
The Hammer k3 has 3 diff fences. The Basic square with cam lock. The winner aluminum round bar with an aluminum fence and screw lock and the upgrade for US market steel tube and cast iron fence with cam lock.

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Re: Considering a Hammer K3 - What options do owners recommend?
« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2021, 05:32 PM »
I have the K3 Winner with the short slider, I have a very small workshop area in my garage.  I would like to increase it's ripping capability beyond my current 32".  Does Felder/Hammer make a kit to do that?  Anyone done it?
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Offline Tom Gensmer

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Re: Considering a Hammer K3 - What options do owners recommend?
« Reply #46 on: November 17, 2021, 08:05 PM »
I have the K3 Winner with the short slider, I have a very small workshop area in my garage.  I would like to increase it's ripping capability beyond my current 32".  Does Felder/Hammer make a kit to do that?  Anyone done it?

I went the other way with my KF700SP, I ordered it with the 49" rip capacity, realized how gigantic it was in my shop, and ultimately had Felder send me the parts to retrofit it to the 800mm/32" capacity. That being said, looking at my Felder catalog it appears that the K3 machines are available in a wider rip capacity. I'd reach out to the Parts/Service department and ask if they can prepare a parts list/kit to convert the machine to the wider rip capacity. Will likely include a longer bar, wider/extra wing, measuring tape, nuts/bolts, etc....
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