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Offline Mini Me

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Re: Communication with TSO Products
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2022, 06:46 PM »
Nah, nah & nah.  Still an almost 100% price increase on an item China can crank out for $15 and make a profit. Pretty simple to make.
> Customer is always right.  Why? Because they vote with their money.  Everyone is entitled to vote the way they want.  If they want to pay they are ‘right’.  If they don’t want to pay they are ‘right’.
> Same exact arguments for TSO’s sovereignty can be said for OP too. 
> Op knew full well TSO is glued to these forums.  Wanted to express ‘his’ displeasure in ‘his’ thread.  By shutting him down and supporting the almost doubling price increase you’ve voted against your best interests.  At the old price company was growing exponentially, they just saw an opportunity and took it plain and simple.
> Not supporting price increase is not thwarting innovation or availability. 3D printing, online CNC is starting to saturate.   If you can draw it, it can be delivered in a week cutting out the marketing and middle man.  The customer drives the market.  We are fabricators ourselves not a tool fan club, remember that.

While not agreeing with all the points in quotes I agree with a lot of it. If the original post had not been made then this thread would not exist. The main problem I see with a lot of price complaints is they are made with absolutely no concept of manufacturing and selling in the retail market and the problems that TSO and every other retailer has. This attitude has driven manufacturers off shore and destroyed manufacturing in the western world and the customers still can't grasp that point. The manufacturers want a margin and the customers want a cheaper price, it's a pretty simple equation really.

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Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Communication with TSO Products
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2022, 08:11 PM »
I've got almost everything TSO sells - love using their products. Early on most communication was done through Hans. Seems their business has grown pretty big, so a lot of the communication firstly goes through my guess non-decision makers. I would suggest you try to make contact with Hans. He is a straight shooter and will help you figure out why there is such a variance in pricing.

Offline squall_line

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Re: Communication with TSO Products
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2022, 08:39 PM »
This thread seems to keep [dead horse] comparing sale prices to post-increase prices, castigating people for wanting cheap products, and then we began to veer into politics with talk of the destruction of western manufacturing and the role of central banks in mitigating inflation.

I think we should probably let this one rest and let Hans and Rick work it out privately.

IMHO.

Offline Kraftt

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Re: Communication with TSO Products
« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2022, 09:48 PM »
I’m just ******* around stirring the pot.   It’s all subjective.  (The possibility that some mod somewhere was looking at this thread as a ticking bomb cracked me up).

But I’ll throw one last rock regarding inflation and then bail.  If what I’m led to believe is true, central banks can just wave a wand and make this all go away.  Again, that’s what all these ‘documentaries’ lead me to believe and if true I find that incredible.

Offline mino

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Re: Communication with TSO Products
« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2022, 09:57 PM »
My point was that you do not apologize for a price increase, you just do it. However, hesitating in doing so, to the point that when it does happen, the increase is that drastic, is just bad.

TSO does have a good reputation here and Hans has personally addressed things here before. That may be driving a least some of the "familiarity" in the questioning?
I think it is fair to say TSO anticipated the Covid supply "craze" to subside.

Instead, we all got ourselves a global (not only) economic war. Some of the biggest natural resource suppliers, including of specialist metals, are either returning us a favor and/or we are sanctioning ourselves. Russia severely restricts special metals exports etc. etc. Resulting market pricing is seeing several hundred percent increases. In Europe electricity is sold @50c/kWh etc. etc.

So, instead of the expected 30% increase had things have come to normal, TSO was likely looking at a 50% increase -on-top-of- the original one. Or to discontinue the product.

Mind you. MANY companies just discontinue a product in such a circumstance ...

For non-aluminum dogs the new price is IMO reasonable. The old one was a bargain.

My 2 cents.
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Offline SRSemenza

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Re: Communication with TSO Products
« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2022, 11:45 PM »
I’m just ******* around stirring the pot.   It’s all subjective.  (The possibility that some mod somewhere was looking at this thread as a ticking bomb cracked me up).



If you are referring to me. I am looking at this thread and it is not cracking me up.

Seth