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Offline Lbob131

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Shaper tooling in a table saw.
« on: August 09, 2014, 03:01 PM »
Has anyone ever done this?
I was thinking  of  using a Hammer  slot  adjustable  groover  or  an  Axcaliber Three Piece Adjustable Grooving Set
 in my old SIP  table saw.
The old  arbour would be removed  and a new one machined  by a professional  to suit  the  shaper tooling  and then fitted into  the table saw.
Big no no or feasible?

The design would also  facilitate  fitting   the normal  range of circular  saw blades also.
« Last Edit: August 09, 2014, 03:16 PM by Lbob131 »

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Offline Gone

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Re: Shaper tooling in a table saw.
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2014, 05:43 PM »
Or you could just save the expense of redesigning your existing saw and use a Dado blade set. No noticeable difference in cut quality.

John

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Shaper tooling in a table saw.
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2014, 07:54 PM »
If you are wanting to just cut dados, I don't understand not just buying a dado set.... Forrester for example.

If you are wanting to cut profiles, I think the table saw isn't a replacement for a shaper. I had a shaper head on my old Delta Unisaw that had a number of different profiles. It was far inferior to a router and I got very poor cut quality.
Birdhunter

Offline Tinker

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Re: Shaper tooling in a table saw.
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2014, 08:19 PM »
I never used a shaper blade with a table saw, but a friend had one. I always wondered if they might be more prone to kickback.  He took very shallow cuts.  It took forever to nibble thru a grove of any kind and he had a lot of sanding to do.  I always thought it would have been quicker and safer for him to just set up his router.
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Offline Lbob131

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Re: Shaper tooling in a table saw.
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2014, 06:50 AM »
Or you could just save the expense of redesigning your existing saw and use a Dado blade set. No noticeable difference in cut quality.

John

A dado stack  won't  fit  and  their not sold in the UK afaik.

So the arbour would need  modifying anyway.



Offline mdelrossi

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Re: Shaper tooling in a table saw.
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2014, 09:22 AM »
It would depend on what you are doing.
A long time ago I used a shaper set made by craftsman to mimic the moulding in our house. It took several passes and it did an ok job, but required a lot of sanding and wasn't a perfect match.


Offline Gone

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Re: Shaper tooling in a table saw.
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2014, 09:57 AM »
I forgot dado sets were illegal in Europe. I use the Hammer dado on my Felder K700, the arbor is 30mm with 2 locating pins. I also use it occasionally on my F700 shaper that doesn't have the locating pins. I suppose if you had one of the heavier duty stationary SIP saws an arbor update would work but it may also take a heavier set of bearings because of the potential for higher loading.

John

Offline duc996

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Re: Shaper tooling in a table saw.
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2014, 10:27 AM »
I forgot dado sets were illegal in Europe. I use the Hammer dado on my Felder K700, the arbor is 30mm with 2 locating pins. I also use it occasionally on my F700 shaper that doesn't have the locating pins. I suppose if you had one of the heavier duty stationary SIP saws an arbor update would work but it may also take a heavier set of bearings because of the potential for higher loading.

John

Really? Do you know what the reasoning behind it being illegal to have dadoes? Safety concerns? Just wondering.

Offline Lbob131

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Re: Shaper tooling in a table saw.
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2014, 10:38 AM »
I think its mainly because  the powers that be   in  the eu  don't like  table saws  that  are supplied to  the mass markets  of diyers  and hobbyists  having a rotating blade exposed  without a guard.

The more professional  machines   that  production  or manufacting facilities  use in the UK  are exempt  from  the  safety ruling afaik.


Offline amt

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Re: Shaper tooling in a table saw.
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2014, 11:44 AM »
You may want to read this posting before you decide:
http://lumberjocks.com/topics/62266

Offline Lbob131

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Re: Shaper tooling in a table saw.
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2014, 01:01 PM »
Is this the  same  or similar  tooling.....?


I wasn't aware of  something  like that being  available for a table saw  tbh. 

In a shaper(spindle moulder)  that  tool  would  be  similar to a euro block  which  will have  limiters  fitted  to help prevent kickback  and reduce   injury  if  contact occurs.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/wis18.pdf
« Last Edit: August 10, 2014, 02:06 PM by Lbob131 »

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Re: Shaper tooling in a table saw.
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2014, 03:25 PM »
DADO = NAIEU. Now I don't feel so bad for all the stuff that's not available in NA.

Offline andyman

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Re: Shaper tooling in a table saw.
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2014, 05:57 PM »
That's not pretty :(