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Offline Packard

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CMT Orange dust extractor
« on: March 17, 2021, 04:07 PM »
I just got an email for a CMT dust extractor.  $400.00.  I looked online to see what it does and its performance seems excellent (but for CNC machining which I don't have).  But $400.00 seems like a lot of money for this.




« Last Edit: March 17, 2021, 04:10 PM by Packard »

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Offline mino

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Re: CMT Orange dust extractor
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2021, 06:51 PM »
It is a precisely milled specialty piece that must be perfectly balanced.

Not that easy to make and definitely not something that you can easily make in a common shop - hard to argue about the price here.

BUT, it is no "Dusty extractor". You may want to adjust the title as "kinetic dust extractor" != "dust extractor" in this case.
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Offline Packard

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Re: CMT Orange dust extractor
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2021, 11:24 AM »
The $400.00 price seems reasonable if they are making production runs of 10 or 20 pieces, where the setup would be the single largest cost.  But in my mind CMT does not produce items in those small quantities.   I imagine that they would produce 500 or a thousand at a time.  In that case, the the $400.00 price seems high. 

I agree that "extractor" seems like the wrong word.  "Dispersor" sounds more likely. 

Offline Svar

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Re: CMT Orange dust extractor
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2021, 11:32 AM »
It throws the dust upward instead of letting it pile up. Couldn't you achieve the same by simply lowering your dust intake shroud close to the surface?
« Last Edit: March 18, 2021, 11:36 AM by Svar »

Offline Packard

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Re: CMT Orange dust extractor
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2021, 11:36 AM »
I have no idea.  I have no idea why they targeted me for the advertisement; I don't have a CNC milling machine. 

I have just learned a new phrase.  The current term for machining that involves removal of material (as opposed to variations on 3D printing) is "prismatic machining".  Basically all "conventional" machining has a new and sexy name.

Store that away.  You will be hearing more about prismatic machining in the future.

Offline mino

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Re: CMT Orange dust extractor
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2021, 02:25 PM »
The $400.00 price seems reasonable if they are making production runs of 10 or 20 pieces, where the setup would be the single largest cost.  But in my mind CMT does not produce items in those small quantities.   I imagine that they would produce 500 or a thousand at a time.  In that case, the the $400.00 price seems high. 

I agree that "extractor" seems like the wrong word.  "Dispersor" sounds more likely.
Companies are here to make profit.

You price your products between the value/volume curve and the cost/volume curves. If you have something unique, you patent it and price it near the value curve as high as possible. Ideally in such a way it is attractive for 80% or so of your TAM on ROI. You then adjust price down, depending on market reception and your production capacity.

Only commodities with no development costs to speak of or products of amateurs are priced cost+.

That said. The development costs here would be about $20k-$50k (one person work for a couple months + R&D HW), give or take.

With the lower estimate, and say, $50/unit production cost, you would need to sell about 100 pieces (so need 100 big-CNC woodworking customers) to just break even.

Any way I look at this, it is priced appropriately at the volumes it would be expected to sell - high hundreds/low thousands.
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