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Offline Cheese

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Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #120 on: March 01, 2019, 10:59 PM »
As Michael Kellough said.   The cursor doesn't reach the mm scale, and the inch scale is barely a scale. You are going to get criss crossed with it.

It's the same mess as anything dual, like tape measures, combo ones are completely useless.   The rule you want is on the wrong side, or your eyes latch on a mark from the opposite scale you intended.

As Michael and DeformedTree both said, what the heck is that measurement? It’s less than 1 1/2” and somewhere between 37 & 38 mm. So what dimension is that?

37 mm = 1.457”
38 mm = 1.496”
1 29/64” = 1.453
1 31/64” = 1.484”

So what dimension is it? Maybe they’ve introduced the tenths scale into the conversation which will certainly allow for some spirited discussion.

Big thumbs down on that offering.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2019, 11:05 PM by Cheese »

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Offline ChuckM

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« Reply #121 on: March 01, 2019, 11:08 PM »
Snip.
To each his own. I use dual tape and scales all the time. Does not bother me at all.

On the few occasions that I used the dual tape for their imperial and metric scales for measurement (not conversion) purposes, it caused no issues for me.

Does anyone have an application example where the current design of the dual scale (wide increments, etc.) on the Bosch would cause a problem in cutting or setting the saw?

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #122 on: March 01, 2019, 11:25 PM »
I understand the increments and the cursor being away from the marks problems, but unless you use the track saw to cut dados or tenon shoulders, what are some of the potential problems if the cut is off by 1/32" or 0.5mm in depth?

I have an HKC and I needed to cut some dados with it. I set it at the proper imperial height scale, cut the dados, tried to assemble the structure and nothing fit.

Long story short, 45 minutes later I realized that while the HKC has imperial markings, the detents are in metric.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2019, 11:45 PM by Cheese »

Offline Svar

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« Reply #123 on: March 01, 2019, 11:34 PM »
I understand the increments and the cursor being away from the marks problems, but unless you use the track saw to cut dados or tenon shoulders, what are some of the potential problems if the cut is off by 1/32" or 0.5mm in depth?
I have an HKC and I needed to cut some dados with it. I set it at the proper imperial height scale, cut the dados, tried to assemble the structure and nothing fit.
Long story short, 45 minutes later I realized that while the HKC has imperial markings, the detents are in metric.
That scale (TS) is inaccurate anyway, off by 1-2 mm in the middle. To be accurate markings have to be non-linear (sin function actually), wider at the beginning narrower at the end. This is the first thing I noticed when I bought the saw. Same flop with other brands.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2019, 11:43 PM by Svar »

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #124 on: March 01, 2019, 11:57 PM »
Long story short, 45 minutes later I realized that while the HKC has imperial markings, the detents are in metric.

Maybe I’m just a dreamer, but wouldn’t it be nice if Festool just stated up front that while the scale markings are imperial, the positioning detents are metric.

Who’d have thunk in this day & age a little bit of honesty would become a breath of fresh air?

Offline Steven Owen

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« Reply #125 on: March 02, 2019, 12:41 AM »
Long story short, 45 minutes later I realized that while the HKC has imperial markings, the detents are in metric.

Maybe I’m just a dreamer, but wouldn’t it be nice if Festool just stated up front that while the scale markings are imperial, the positioning detents are metric.

Who’d have thunk in this day & age a little bit of honesty would become a breath of fresh air?

I’m not sure why they bothered converting the saw to imperial if they were not going to change the indents.  You might as well have left it in metric if that’s the case and leave it to the user to convert.  In the Smart Phone era, metric - imperial conversions are easy enough to do on the fly. 
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Offline ScotF

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« Reply #126 on: March 02, 2019, 12:42 AM »
This is why I never rely on tool scales for anything...always measure from the base with a rule on critical cuts or align to my marks.

Offline Steven Owen

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« Reply #127 on: March 02, 2019, 12:49 AM »
I’m just shocked Bosch didn’t release a cordless model too.  It’s the way things are going these days.  I don’t necessary see the Bosch being any better than the competing Makita Cordless model. 
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Offline Bob D.

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« Reply #128 on: March 02, 2019, 05:31 AM »
I am surprised they didn't come out with ONLY a cordless model, given that almost everything portable is going to battery power it seems.
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« Reply #129 on: March 02, 2019, 09:16 AM »
I am surprised they didn't come out with ONLY a cordless model, given that almost everything portable is going to battery power it seems.
Because they released this saw many years ago (8?), when nobody had battery powered track saws.

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« Reply #130 on: March 02, 2019, 11:18 AM »
Svar, the TS has a micro adjust knob if your scale is off.
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« Reply #131 on: March 02, 2019, 12:07 PM »
One of the more recent reviews on this saw ... hmmmm?



Worthwhile video showing the differences between the two. I have the MT55 and would still buy it. Some the compromises I would not accept, but if I wanted a less expensive track saw with better rails than those of Festool I would definitely buy the Bosch. It is worth $600 without a doubt. I won't complain that there is going to a place to find some cheaper accessories. The Bosch rails are significantly cheaper when compared to Timberwolf Tools and longer ones are available. A few other accessories are cheaper as well.

@Shane Holland - Any chance you could see if any of the Festool Routers fit into the Bosch FSNOFA Track Saw Guide Rail Adapter For Routers? I realize the holes won't line up, but I can fix that.


Update: It works on the OF1010 according to the manual

Now will the footprint of the OF1400 fit.
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Offline Paul G

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Re: Bosch Track Saw Coming to Canada/US (Mafell Made)
« Reply #132 on: March 02, 2019, 12:42 PM »
Long story short, 45 minutes later I realized that while the HKC has imperial markings, the detents are in metric.

Maybe I’m just a dreamer, but wouldn’t it be nice if Festool just stated up front that while the scale markings are imperial, the positioning detents are metric.

Who’d have thunk in this day & age a little bit of honesty would become a breath of fresh air?

I’m not sure why they bothered converting the saw to imperial if they were not going to change the indents.  You might as well have left it in metric if that’s the case and leave it to the user to convert.  In the Smart Phone era, metric - imperial conversions are easy enough to do on the fly.
Yes, the current implementation of mixing imperial and metric is quite bad. This was discussed at length here at FOG when they started hitting the market in the US.
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Offline Michael Kellough

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« Reply #133 on: March 02, 2019, 01:15 PM »
Svar, the TS has a micro adjust knob if your scale is off.

I think what Svar is referring to is how a notch (supposedly 1mm) syncs with it’s mark (or not) differently in one part of the range of motion than in another. It results from the difference between the arc of the pivot and the arc of the lowest point of the blade. Something @Christian A. Complained about over 10 years ago.

Offline Michael Kellough

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« Reply #134 on: March 02, 2019, 01:22 PM »
One of the interesting things discussed in the video was how Maffell tests everything before it leaves the factory. The warped saw base in the tested Bosch would not have left the factory but also the splinter guard would have already been trimmed to the exact factory setting. Buy a Maffell rail and put it to use right on the mark right out of the box. Buy another Maffell saw and and it not have to be re-adjusted to suit your existing rails. And like they said, that costs money.

Offline Steven Owen

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« Reply #135 on: March 02, 2019, 04:42 PM »
One of the interesting things discussed in the video was how Maffell tests everything before it leaves the factory. The warped saw base in the tested Bosch would not have left the factory but also the splinter guard would have already been trimmed to the exact factory setting. Buy a Maffell rail and put it to use right on the mark right out of the box. Buy another Maffell saw and and it not have to be re-adjusted to suit your existing rails. And like they said, that costs money.

It’s probably only the odd one.  I would just check it and exchange it for a new one with a flat base.  Not a big deal.
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Offline Svar

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« Reply #136 on: March 02, 2019, 05:37 PM »
The warped saw base in the tested Bosch ...
Its likely not warped. It's been discussed and there is a video on it on youtube:

It has to do with a single set screw.
Just release knobs and re-tighten them again. Don't know why they let it out of the factory like this.

Offline Michael Kellough

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« Reply #137 on: March 02, 2019, 05:46 PM »
In the previous video they did release and re-tighten the bevel knobs.

The point the reviewer was making was that tools made for a competitive price point are simply assembled and apparently not tested until the end user gets hold of them.

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« Reply #138 on: March 03, 2019, 11:10 AM »
The warped saw base in the tested Bosch ...
Its likely not warped. It's been discussed and there is a video on it on youtube:

It has to do with a single set screw.
Just release knobs and re-tighten them again. Don't know why they let it out of the factory like this.

I went and looked up the owners manual, and while I kinda raced thru it and maybe missed it, I couldn't find anything on that set screw and that it is used on 'flatening' the plate show to the surface.  Now that's a shortcoming imo.  They must get tons of calls from upset people, never mind how many just simply return their perfectly good saws out of disappointment without knowing it is fixable.

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