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Offline Brian Livingstone

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Blum Movento Tip On - Canada
« on: March 05, 2023, 08:06 PM »

Hi,

Are there are any Canadians familiar with these slides ?  I think the drawer box has to be 10 mm less than the nominal length of the slide.   And there has to be a notch in the front of the drawer box.   Apparently the Canadian slides are different from those sold in the US.   Thanks.
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Offline Rich M.

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Re: Blum Movento Tip On - Canada
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2023, 05:45 PM »
Brian -  I am in Colorado, but searched Blum's Canada website.  On the "Blum catalogue and technical manual" pg. 384-385 appears to be the Movento diagrams that may answer your question.   Good luck w your project. 
https://publications.blum.com/2020/catalogue/en/384/
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Offline Brian Livingstone

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Re: Blum Movento Tip On - Canada
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2023, 02:43 PM »

Thanks Rich.   When I first started using these slides, I was watching YT videos.   Not getting great results.   I later realized that the slides sold in Canada are different from those sold in the USA.   

To complicate matters the project I am currently working on, a large built in, has Movento Tip On installed by a kitchen cabinet company.   They installed theirs not following the Blum instructions.   

Thanks again.

Brian
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Offline woodferret

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Re: Blum Movento Tip On - Canada
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2023, 04:11 PM »
No direct experience, but here's the fixing page from Mcfaddens Canada.

https://mcfaddens.com/skin/common_files/files/specs/MOVENTO%20Base%20Fixing.pdf

I see where you're getting the 10mm shorter (SKL=NL-10, overlay) - but I'm not seeing the notching required on the front face.  The runner should bump up to the false front, no?
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Offline Rich M.

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Re: Blum Movento Tip On - Canada
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2023, 08:05 PM »
I don't know if cross-posts are allowed here.  But if you go to CanadianWoodworking dot com / forum / woodworking,
 and search for
"  Problem with drawer length for Blum Tandem, too short  "
there is an interesting discussion there.   good luck.......
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Offline woodferret

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Re: Blum Movento Tip On - Canada
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2023, 08:34 PM »
I'm kind of a dufus.  The instructions I linked show the slide up to the false front, hence - yes - duh - notching is required :)  Even has the picture below with the drilling guide T65.1000.02 and said notch :P 

In my defense, I've been spraying in an enclosed space.
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Offline Rich M.

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Re: Blum Movento Tip On - Canada
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2023, 09:18 PM »
That spray will do it every time  ;-)
I'm planning on building some drawers with Blum Tandem undermounts, so this has been interesting.
   cheers...
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Offline Steve1

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Re: Blum Movento Tip On - Canada
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2023, 07:55 AM »
I used the Movento a little while back.
The drawer slides I purchased where #760H3500S from McFadden's.  (Nominal 350mm)  Canadian retailer, but I can't say for sure if these are Canadian or US slides)
I made the drawer 10mm smaller, as shown below (i.e not overall shorter by 10mm, from rear of front face to rear of drawer)
There is a notch at the rear of the drawer, not the front.   (Actually, on these, I made the "notch" across the whole drawer, so that the drawer bottom is removable.   Really helps in finishing the drawer, but my rear dovetail wanted to break without the added support)

I ALWAYS have at least one set of drawer slides in hand before starting to build the drawer.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2023, 08:19 AM by Steve1 »
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Offline woodferret

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Re: Blum Movento Tip On - Canada
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2023, 10:04 AM »
Steve, no false front on the no-notch drawer?
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Offline Brian Livingstone

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Re: Blum Movento Tip On - Canada
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2023, 10:24 AM »
Hi Steve,

Thanks for the response.   So it looks like you didn’t make a notch in the front of the drawer box ?  No issue ?

I did call Blum Canada, and the rep there clearly told me to make the drawer box 10 mm less than the length of the slide, and to cut a notch in the front of the box.   I did as I was told.   

Now the width.   I somehow made the boxes 10 mm less in width than required.  I thought it had to do with me using 5/8 material.   Solution was to add a 1/8 inch spacer behind each slide.   Relatively easy fix.   

Thanks everyone for your input.   

Brian
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Offline Steve1

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Re: Blum Movento Tip On - Canada
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2023, 12:55 PM »
Are they calling the front what I call the rear ?   To me, the front is where the drawer pull goes.   The front is where I attach the orange  locking mechanism (plus, in this case, the optional in/out adjuster).  So you notched that out ?
I have the basic drawer box, stained poplar, and then a maple "drawer front".   The drawers are inset into my dresser, so the Movento in/out adjusters were convenient in getting the drawer fronts exactly flush with the front face of the dresser.
See below.
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Offline woodferret

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Re: Blum Movento Tip On - Canada
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2023, 01:03 PM »
Quote from: Steve1 on March 13, 2023, 12:55 PM
Are they calling the front what I call the rear ?   ... So you notched that out ?

The Canadian one seems to be built in Austria and I suspect the global one.  It looks like they expect drawer construction to have front and back faces of the box to be made interchangeably the same with 70mm notches.  They made the drawer runner sized to fill that front hole. 

On constructions with an integrated front, the same runner still works.

Thanks for taking the pics BTW.

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Offline Steve1

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Re: Blum Movento Tip On - Canada
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2023, 04:37 PM »
OK, got it, @woodferret .

I suppose it depends on how you build the drawer. 
The lock assemblies can be screwed to either the drawer bottom or the front.  But my drawer bottoms are typically too thin to comfortably screw to, so I mount the locks to the front of the drawer box.
Pretty much all of my drawer builds have been inset, so I like to locate the drawer front at final assembly, to get the most equal gap all around.
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Offline Brian Livingstone

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Re: Blum Movento Tip On - Canada
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2023, 07:01 PM »
Hi Steve,

If you are in Canada, according to Blum you should have a notch in the front of the drawer (the front being where the handle is attached).   The last drawers I made I used 5/8 material, and I attached the orange connector by screwing down into the 5/8 material after making the notch.   I used the Blum jig, and it worked fine.   I do really like the Movento slides, but very finnicky.   

Thanks again for your input.

Brian
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