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Offline norwegian wood

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any edgeband users out there?
« on: March 04, 2009, 09:26 AM »
i am in the market for a edgbander machine. and was looking at Felder. my question to those of you who have or do use them should i get one with a glue pot or one that just uses pre-glued edgebanding? i am more concerned with the quality then price. If the glue pot machine does a better job I'll spend the extra money. any advantages or disadvantages with either type you know of please speak up any information will be greatly appreciated.

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Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2009, 09:46 AM »
This is probably not what you want to hear, but I have tried both types and have given up on both.  To me, furniture that has edge banding strips looks cheap and less durable.

I now cut my own edging strips (at least 5 mm wide, preferably 1 cm) and glue them in place using clamps.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2009, 02:11 PM by Frank Pellow »
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Offline norwegian wood

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Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2009, 10:55 AM »
not for furniture but for production closet shelving systems. but thanks frank for your honest opinion

Offline lordinteriors

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Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2009, 01:53 PM »
a couple of things to think about, preglued edging is more expensive but good quality banders with a glue pot are equally as good but if you leave to much glue in the pot it stews itself and reduces quality and adhesion

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Offline norwegian wood

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Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2009, 02:19 PM »
good information lee. thanks. keep the info coming guys, its all very appreciative and helpfull

Offline David Werkheiser

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Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2009, 04:46 PM »
Frank,
If your doing production closet systems, go with a hot melt glue system, I have an older (20yrs.) HolzHer 1403, It uses a glue cartage instead of glue pot. HolzHer made this model for a lot of years and it's very basic, it will do .50 PVC, P-lam and 1/8" wood strips. It is a fussy machine and I have to clean up edges with a file. I read somewhere that an edgebander will reduce man hours from 16hrs. (applying by hand with iron) to 2-3hrs. Service and parts are very expensive for these machines, so if your looking at a used machine, spend the money for a tech. to look at it.
David Werkheiser

Offline Steve-CO

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Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2009, 05:02 PM »
Have you looked into the peel and stick options?

http://www.fastcap.com/products.aspx?id=38

Offline mastercabman

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Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2009, 06:39 PM »
Have you looked into the peel and stick options?

http://www.fastcap.com/products.aspx?id=38
That stuff works pretty good!
I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

Offline EcoFurniture

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Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2009, 08:02 PM »
Have you looked into the peel and stick options?

http://www.fastcap.com/products.aspx?id=38


I just had it in my hand yesterday. Great for job site repairs/installs but way to expensive for production.
A good compromise is iron on edge tape. It will stick just fine if you give it enough time to melt. Anyhow,it's worth to spend more on good quality stuff!


Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2009, 09:44 PM »
I think if I was going to mass produce I would definately go with a edgebander with glue pot just talking with the millworker who is next to my work he builds kitchen cabinets and using the edgebander has cut down his production time quite a bit. His machine applies the banding ,trims it and polishes the ends so no touch up file work is required.

Offline norwegian wood

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Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2009, 10:09 PM »
i'm thinking of the felder g 300. its a glue pot machine. and the felder dealer is pretty local so a tech from the company should be readily available if ever needed.

Thanks for all your tips fella's

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Offline richard.selwyn

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Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2009, 03:13 PM »
Please forgive an ignorant question, but as I make a lot of painted furniture out of ply, an edgebander appeals to get clean painted edges without lots of filling and sanding.  My dumb question is: can I stick edge banding onto ply and then paint it satisfactorily (I'm starting out in HVLP and generally have to use waterbased paint) and given the wide variations in the thickness of the ply, do I have to trim the edgebanding. ( I'm a Felder fan - although they just delivered me a mortiser today which was broken in transport - not their fault but they don't crate things - just put them on a pallet and wrap them in plastic - so a Felder edgebander appeals)

If anyone has the patience to enlighten me.....

Offline norwegian wood

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Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2009, 03:17 PM »
yes you can richard. you can get unfinished wood edgebanding and paint away.  not sure if unfinished wood edgebanding comes preglued though, actually not sure if any real wood edgebanding comes preglued. but what your talking about is done in cabinewt shops a; the time. either painted or clear coated. so you would need a glue pot edgebander, or some smaller shops i know contact adhesive it on then trim by hand or router

Offline Charimon

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Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2009, 11:07 PM »
here is a product that you may not know about. http://www.tools4flooring.com/johnsonite-power-tape-1-in-x-164-ft-p-437.html    Contact adhesive in a peal-n-stick roll.    It is super easy to use, when i read your post i took a scrap 3/4 melamine and applied the tape, sliced off the extra then rolled on a strip of  edge banding, trimmed  it, and tried to get it to unbond. It works like magic.  I was turned on to the product my a supplier when I needed to install 120' of vinyl threshold to a tile set in a factory break room....(tons of foot traffic kicking against the bond everyday). several counter top guys i know are using it for laminate edge strips.  should work for wood too and for $13.00 give it a shot.
Thanks Craig
 
« Last Edit: March 09, 2009, 11:14 PM by score0matic »
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Offline norwegian wood

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Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2009, 12:25 AM »
very interesting. how thick is this product? there was no sign of it after you trimmed off the edgbanding?

Offline MichaelM

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Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2009, 12:36 AM »
Richard,

You certainly can. In fact you can get pretty much any type, colour, wood species of edgebanding you could ever think of. Pre glued for use with hot air or not for use with glue pot banders.

Here's a great source I have used a couple of times.

http://www.edgecoinc.com/

Cheers,

Michael

Offline Charimon

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Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2009, 12:19 AM »
very interesting. how thick is this product? there was no sign of it after you trimmed off the edgbanding?

it is very thin just a shade larger than 1/128"  went and looked again

email me and i will and i will mail you a small sample so you can see.  Score0matic@yahoo.com
Craig
« Last Edit: March 11, 2009, 12:28 AM by score0matic »
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Offline richard.selwyn

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Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2009, 04:37 PM »
Thanks for the info.  I've just finished a load of plywood painted shelves for a client and sure wish I could have "edgebanded" them.  I'm going to check out the Felder one.

Offline Dovetail65

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Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2009, 04:40 PM »
I love using hardwood instead of that thin glue on stuff(junk) as the edge banding.

Edge Banding router bits

Edge Banding Bits from Eagle America

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« Last Edit: March 13, 2009, 04:59 PM by nickao »
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Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2009, 05:43 PM »
Hey, those router bits look nice, must try and find some of that stuff over here - sure could come in handy.
I am no fan of edge banding and prefer real wood so those bits look like just the right ticket!
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Offline Dovetail65

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Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2009, 05:57 PM »
They work and actually they tend to stiffen shelving too. It may not be like T & G'ing in a 1" x 2"(3/4" thickness x 1 1/2" width in us) on end to the edge, but there is a noticeable difference in ply, mdf or melamine shelf when using the solid wood banding bits with a hard wood.

I usually do not even sand. A nice little 1/16 reveal on the top and bottom is fine. Or a top reveal of 1/16" on top and let in a full 1 1/2"  piece which gives the shelving a meatier look and much more strength. You can usually add 6-12" to the shelving widths of ply that only uses regular banding depending on how wide you go with the hardwood edge.  It looks especially good if you are doing framed cabinets.

I have done it the opposite way as well with the tongue in the ply and the groove in the hardwood. I have only used the v pattern once, the hardwood tends to slip and does not self hold like the T & G when gluing. With the T& G I get away without clamping by using glue and then the Grex pin nailer. You can not even see the nails holes and it holds the wood edge banding on tight until the glue dries. You can not really do that with the V groove bits(2 nd picture).

Henrik of course I will mail you anything you want. Just pick out the ones you like whenever you want and I will get them and ship them out if you can not find any. I think the Eagle are probably a lot better quality and about double the price, still a deal at Festool standards - 69.00 US for two bits is not bad.  For 28.00 US the cheaper ones do work and last me a long time, but if I had to do like a  500'(152.4 Meters) or more I would opt for the more expensive ones.

« Last Edit: March 13, 2009, 06:15 PM by nickao »
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Offline Mike Chrest

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Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2009, 10:01 AM »
Nick,
  When you pin nail the edging on, how wide do you make the edging? The longest pins I can use are 1 3/8". Is the tongue on the plywood or the edging?
This sounds like a really nice way to edge ply. Do you do this free hand or in a router table?
Mike

Offline tenfingers

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Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2009, 11:06 AM »
Has anyone ever tried these?

http://www.burgessedge.com/

I've almost pulled the trigger a few times, but they're pricey and not too much info out there, good or bad.......

If I do get them, I'll post my impressions

Ten


Offline richard.selwyn

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Re: any edgeband users out there?
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2009, 06:12 AM »
i am in the market for a edgbander machine. and was looking at Felder. my question to those of you who have or do use them should i get one with a glue pot or one that just uses pre-glued edgebanding? i am more concerned with the quality then price. If the glue pot machine does a better job I'll spend the extra money. any advantages or disadvantages with either type you know of please speak up any information will be greatly appreciated.

Apologies for bringing up an old topic but did you ever buy an edgebander?  I'm still in the market for the Felder, but would like some feed back from someone who has used one.