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Offline WarnerConstCo.

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24" planer and 24" jointer rebuild
« on: April 04, 2021, 09:02 AM »
Figured I could try to post some pictures of my progress rebuilding a couple machines for a customer. I picked these up at his shop right by the Antietam battle grounds. Both these machines came out of a missile silos crating department, so did that 88dy saw.

Both these will get completely disassembled, striped, cleaned, filler, primer, paint.

Everything will basically be brand new, 1950.
Both machines will be getting custom Hermance Helix Heads.

Had some help Friday from my crew. It was a great day.

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Offline rvieceli

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Re: 24" planer and 24" jointer rebuild
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2021, 09:08 AM »
Looks good Darcy.

Ron
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Offline Holzhacker

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Re: 24" planer and 24" jointer rebuild
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2021, 11:27 AM »
Question out of curiosity
Are you going to blast clean all the old paint off and then repaint as part of the refurb? In I think its the 7th pic there's what looks like the base for another machine that looks like it was cleaned down to metal and then repainted.
What kind of primer and paint are you using on that old steel?
thanks, markus
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Offline JonathanJung

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Re: 24" planer and 24" jointer rebuild
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2021, 11:28 AM »
I don't know which is more cool, the matched pair of tools, or having the family involved.

Curious, how big is your shop and how much did you get the machines for? I assume you have 3ph or will use a converter?
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Offline Oldwood

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Re: 24" planer and 24" jointer rebuild
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2021, 12:03 PM »
Hey Darcy,

I would be interested to see the segmented head disassembled. I had a Wadkin 24" I rebuilt and the segmented head had springs and ball bearings to allow the segments to shift.

It was a job finding the springs as Wadkin could not supply them. I had to have a local shop produce them.

I am curious how  your head looks inside. I mean the one on the planer ;)

Love to see those old work horses put back into production.

Gerry
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Offline WarnerConstCo.

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Re: 24" planer and 24" jointer rebuild
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2021, 12:44 PM »
Quote from: Holzhacker on April 04, 2021, 11:27 AM
Question out of curiosity
Are you going to blast clean all the old paint off and then repaint as part of the refurb? In I think its the 7th pic there's what looks like the base for another machine that looks like it was cleaned down to metal and then repainted.
What kind of primer and paint are you using on that old steel?
thanks, markus
I will needle scale them, grind any high spots/seams (although this casting is really nice) epoxy prime, filler, sand, high build primer, block sand, prime, block sand, putty, prime, scuff, paint.  Lot of work.

Yes, that's one I am working on for someone else, its casting was kinda ugly, turned out nice.

Epoxy primer for bare castings
Filler is from napa
Primer is a 2k high build urethane
Paint is do-it best industrial Acrylic enamel (made by SW) sprayed with 2.0 tip hvlp


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Offline WarnerConstCo.

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Re: 24" planer and 24" jointer rebuild
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2021, 12:48 PM »
Quote from: JonathanJung on April 04, 2021, 11:28 AM
I don't know which is more cool, the matched pair of tools, or having the family involved.

Curious, how big is your shop and how much did you get the machines for? I assume you have 3ph or will use a converter?
My shop is 23k sqft.

1200 amp 3phase 240v delta service.

I am rebuilding these for a customer, no idea what he paid for them.

My kids have been following me and helping since they could walk. From jobsites to my different shops.

My oldest just pulled a counterweight, radiator and waterpump on a Nissan forklift a week ago for me.




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Offline WarnerConstCo.

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Re: 24" planer and 24" jointer rebuild
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2021, 12:50 PM »
Quote from: Oldwood on April 04, 2021, 12:03 PM
Hey Darcy,

I would be interested to see the segmented head disassembled. I had a Wadkin 24" I rebuilt and the segmented head had springs and ball bearings to allow the segments to shift.

It was a job finding the springs as Wadkin could not supply them. I had to have a local shop produce them.

I am curious how  your head looks inside. I mean the one on the planer ;)

Love to see those old work horses put back into production.

Gerry
Oliver just used Springs inside the sections that push against splines on the shaft.

I usually just measure the springs and call one of my suppliers. Usually nothing special.

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Offline Yardbird

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Re: 24" planer and 24" jointer rebuild
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2021, 01:08 PM »
Quote from: Yardbird on April 04, 2021, 01:03 PM


My kids have been following me and helping since they could walk. From jobsites to my different shops.

My oldest just pulled a counterweight, radiator and waterpump on a Nissan forklift a week ago for me.




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As much as I love to see the old machinery come back alive (who does not love watching an old hit-miss engine?) the best part is seeing the kids helping.  Most kids cannot even read a tape measure any more and are glued to their phone.  I applaud you for getting the kids involved. 
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Offline Oldwood

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Re: 24" planer and 24" jointer rebuild
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2021, 02:52 PM »
Quote from: WarnerConstCo. on April 04, 2021, 12:50 PM
Quote from: Oldwood on April 04, 2021, 12:03 PM
Hey Darcy,

I would be interested to see the segmented head disassembled. I had a Wadkin 24" I rebuilt and the segmented head had springs and ball bearings to allow the segments to shift.

It was a job finding the springs as Wadkin could not supply them. I had to have a local shop produce them.


I am curious how  your head looks inside. I mean the one on the planer ;)

Love to see those old work horses put back into production.

Gerry
Oliver just used Springs inside the sections that push against splines on the shaft.

I usually just measure the springs and call one of my suppliers. Usually nothing special.

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The Oliver sounds like a better system. It is always a learning experience tearing down machinery. The way the designers solved problems is pure genius in some machines. But in others not so much ;)
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Offline Tinker

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Re: 24" planer and 24" jointer rebuild
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2021, 10:56 AM »
Darcey, I aprove of kids learning trade.
Here is my son at 5 yrs old. He now has fleet of his own. I never told him he had to learn about machinery. I could not keep him off. I can see your kids taking over the biz and succeeding.

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Offline WarnerConstCo.

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Re: 24" planer and 24" jointer rebuild
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2021, 10:59 AM »
Quote from: Tinker on April 05, 2021, 10:56 AM
Darcey, I aprove of kids learning trade.
Here is my son at 5 yrs old. He now has fleet of his own. I never told him he had to learn about machinery. I could not keep him off. I can see your kids taking over the biz and succeeding.

/Users/wayne/Documents/STORIES-MY TRUE/WORK/Butch/Operator copy.jpeg

Tinker
Its my job as a Father, to show them how to do stuff. Even if they want nothing to do with what I am doing, at least they will learn how to fix stuff and hopefully be able to take care of themselves (especially important with my girls as I don't want them to think they need a guy for that) 

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Offline WarnerConstCo.

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Re: 24" planer and 24" jointer rebuild
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2021, 11:23 PM »
Needle scaled, inside first coat of gloss black, castings epoxy primed and ready for filler work. Paint crew showed up.



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