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Offline MTbassbone

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Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« on: May 05, 2021, 07:47 PM »
Anyone have one of these?  I have a drill press that takes up way to much space in my garage, and needs an overhaul.  However, this looks like it might meet 95% or more of my needs. 
« Last Edit: May 05, 2021, 08:48 PM by MTbassbone »

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Offline Erich

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2021, 08:38 PM »
I have one on order because it looks very capable. It is new for them. Not due to ship until the end of July.

Offline MTbassbone

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2021, 08:49 PM »
It will be interesting to see it stacks up against the Rockler drill guide.

Offline rmhinden

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2021, 08:57 PM »
I purchased the Rockler Portable Drill Guide earlier this year for a project.    It is pretty stout and works well for me.  I first tried another brand, but found it to be too flimsy. 

It doesn't replace my drill press, but great for times when the work pieces are too big to bring to the drill press.   

BTW, I have looked at the WP drill guide on the web, seems interesting but might be finicky with all of the different parts and attachments.   It's also quite expensive even compared to the Rockler that wasn't cheap.

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2021, 09:41 PM »
I'm holding out for a drill guide with a vacuum clamping base. The WP was just about perfect but they left out the ability to attach a sub base.
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Offline JD2720

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2021, 09:48 PM »
I'm holding out for a drill guide with a vacuum clamping base. The WP was just about perfect but they left out the ability to attach a sub base.

The holes for the centering pins could be used to attach a sub base.

Offline Packard

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2021, 10:34 AM »
This design appeals to me, but I can't find much information about it. 

https://innovativetooling.com/product/itmda-manual-drill-attachment-tool/

Features
Adjustable guide rods for different cutting tool lengths.
Also available set up for external vacuum.
Adjustable spring tension allows variance of resistance to operator.
Adjustable stop collar – eliminates drill breakthrough damage.
1-1/2″ guide rod bushings for increased stability.
Precision hole-drilling at a fraction of the cost of conventional power-feed drillmotors.
Weighs only 4 lbs light.

It is designed for aircraft assembly so I would imagine it is going to be pricey.   I don't know if "external vacuum" means chip removal or vacuum clamping.  They say "call for availability" and they don't list the price.


Offline ChuckS

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2021, 11:56 AM »
I purchased the Rockler Portable Drill Guide earlier this year for a project.    It is pretty stout and works well for me.  I first tried another brand, but found it to be too flimsy.
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I tried this one (at less than one third of the price of the Rockler's) borrowed from a neighbor, and it worked pretty well: https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/tools/jigs-guides-and-fixtures/73237-drill-guide?item=46J8370

But this kind of drill guide is no match to the WP's which has a fence system.
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Offline JD2720

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2021, 12:43 PM »
It appears to be the same one offered by Amazon for $33.00. (Though Lee Valley does not show part numbers).

And when I look it up at Lee Valley, they are showing $36.50 and not $49.50.  Same item.  Same vendor.  Two different prices.  Strange.

https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/jigs-guides-and-fixtures/73237-drill-guide?item=46J8370&utm_source=free_google_shopping&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=shopping_feed&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxdLLo7y18AIV4f3jBx2WkAQVEAkYBCABEgLNSfD_BwE


https://www.amazon.com/Milescraft-1318-DrillMate-Drill-Guide/dp/B014A1Z92I/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=milescraft+drill+guide&qid=1620318118&sr=8-1

$36.50 is the US dollars price. $49.50 is the Canada dollars price.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2021, 02:56 PM by JD2720 »

Offline Packard

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2021, 04:27 PM »
Yes, that makes more sense.  I didn't look to see where it was located.  I have bought from other than USA Amazon.com.

I've bought from Amazon.de (Germany) and Amazon.sp (Spain) for items not imported to the USA.

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Offline WillAdams

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2021, 11:11 PM »
I have decided to pick up the DJ-3 from Bridge City Tool Works once it's released later this year (see the announcement/discussion on John Economaki's blog on the Bridge City Tool Works site) --- looks capable and precise enough to do pretty much everything.

Offline jussi

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2021, 12:15 AM »
I have the DJ-2.  While I don't use it often (can and prefer to use the dp most of the time) it has worked well when I needed it.  I also have the expansion pack but haven't used it.

Offline JD2720

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2021, 07:26 AM »
I have the DJ-2.  While I don't use it often (can and prefer to use the dp most of the time) it has worked well when I needed it.  I also have the expansion pack but haven't used it.

I also have the DJ-2. It works very well. I do not have the expansion pack.

Offline MTbassbone

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2021, 11:20 AM »
I am leaning towards the Rockler guide now.  It seems to be a bit more stable.  I too saw the drill bit wobbling in the video of the Woodpeckers guide.

Offline MTbassbone

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2021, 08:08 PM »
I reached out to WPer's about the wobble in the video and any reports of run out.  Here is their response:

"The product has been thoroughly tested and prototyped.  The chuck is a quality unit made by Yukiwa-Seiko. I'm not sure of the specs on the chuck or the variables in the drill bit used in the video.   Runout in the chuck should be minimal.  It mostly depends on the bit used."

My only hesitation about the Rockler drill guide is whether I could make a DIY fence.  Anyone with the Rockler guide have any experiences with this?  Also do you feel it is a reasonable option for a small work space where a drill press cannot fit?



Offline rmhinden

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2021, 09:10 PM »
My only hesitation about the Rockler drill guide is whether I could make a DIY fence.  Anyone with the Rockler guide have any experiences with this?  Also do you feel it is a reasonable option for a small work space where a drill press cannot fit?

I haven't made a fence, but I was drilling 1 1/4" holes with a forstner bit on the top of a vice jaw for dog holes, I screwed the drill guide to a board, to increase the stability.   Based on this I assume you could make a fence.   

I use it for drilling vertical holes on things I can't bring to the drill press.   I don't think of it as a replacement for a drill press, but as a supplement.   I suppose if I didn't have a drill press, I might consider making a fixture to attach it to a Festool rail if I wanted to drill a series of holes.    Sort of like the LR-32 setup.

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2021, 11:50 PM »
I preordered the WP drill guide back when it was first announced. My general experience with WP has been that they make excellent products and stand behind them: I feel fairly confident that if there are any issues with runout or alignment, they'll either fix them before shipping or make it right afterwards. I just did a project where this thing would have been a huge help to me; I would have loved to just clamp my drill and go rather than dragging a bunch of panels over to the drill press and trying to keep them aligned and steady on the table.

Offline MTbassbone

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2021, 09:17 PM »
I ended up ordering the Rockler drill guide.  If it doesn't seem like what I want I will return it and give the Woodpeckers a try.

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide...Now Shipping
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2021, 10:12 AM »
From Woodpecker's:

With regards to your purchase of the AUTO-LINE DRILL GUIDE - SKU: ALDG-21, shipping is ahead of schedule!  We will ship beginning today and will continue until all orders have been filled. You will receive an email confirmation when your order is shipping to you. 

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2021, 01:23 PM »
Woohoo, that's good news! I've had my pre-order in on the WP drill guide for quite a while. The sale price was too tempting.

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2021, 05:08 PM »
I have one of these from Protool times of carpentry drills.

Not the same but close.
Irreplaceable for precise holes in the middle of a big flat piece or finished piece etc. They can replace a drill press on those occasional and light tasks too.

But for work where repeatability, low speed - high torque, or stability are needed a drill press is a drill press.

I would say one should seek both as neither is a substitute for other. A Grill Guide is probably better to get first. It can do the job of a Press, just worse.
Press cannot do some tasks you can do with a Drill guide while most tasks a press can do you can do with the drill guide. Just with less precision though better than freehand.
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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2021, 10:31 AM »
There seem to be a lot off copies of the Auto-Line Drill Guide advertised, although they are look like the same item at about the 10th of the price of the genuine Woodpecker item. I am in the UK and I ordered one from Amazon, not directly from them but through their marketplace. It was supposedly being shipped from China but never arrived. I complained to Amazon and they refunded my money. I wonder if these items actually exist. Has anyone actually managed to get one?

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2021, 10:50 AM »
Watch the credit card you used for that purchase very closely.

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2021, 12:54 PM »
Setting aside the "too good to be true" nature of what your raise, even a cursory review of the particulars surrounding those obviously fraudulent listings points to the fact that what will arrive in the post (if anything arrives at all) will bear no resemblance to the real thing.

That said, I've got some ocean front property in Nebraska you might interested in. ;)
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Offline ChuckS

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2021, 02:27 PM »
Watch the credit card you used for that purchase very closely.

Good advice. In future, use Paypal when dealing with unknown vendors to hide your credit card info.

No experience with this particular copycat item, but based on feedback by buyers many patent-infringed (?) or copies of genuine tools do come through on the Amazon, eBay, Baboo (sp. ?), and Chinese online sites. I wouldn't be surprised if someone eventually bought and received the Chinese version of the WP drill guide later.  Their manufacturing base is wide and deep, and the low tech drill guide is no hurdle to them for sure. Quality? Can't tell until someone has one and reports back.
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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2021, 03:47 PM »
We just had a (non)customer send us pictures of his "genuine Woodpeckers adjustable square". The head is rubberized plastic.

At least he got something. Most from the recent rash of pirate sites are just getting their credit cards ripped off.

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2021, 08:44 PM »
I'm sincerely hoping that with the current government appetite for cracking down on Big Tech, they start imposing some liability on Amazon for failing to police these kinds of listings/vet its sellers. The "we're just a matchmaking tool, not a retailer" excuse has worn quite thin and it's a major harm to small businesses making innovative products, few of whom can afford to hire staff to police marketplace sites for fraudulent listings 24/7.

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2021, 09:16 PM »
There seem to be a lot off copies of the Auto-Line Drill Guide advertised, although they are look like the same item at about the 10th of the price of the genuine Woodpecker item. I am in the UK and I ordered one from Amazon, not directly from them but through their marketplace. It was supposedly being shipped from China but never arrived. I complained to Amazon and they refunded my money. I wonder if these items actually exist. Has anyone actually managed to get one?

The same here. Curiosity got the better of me! Even the advertising pictures show the Woodpecker label. What a blatant breach of copyright. I wonder why Amazon hasn't deleted this product as they must have had complaints.

https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B096FFD48M?pf_rd_r=B4SBK7X67GRTTAK52TZR&pf_rd_p=88139ad0-7d25-4c83-8c58-0a14efa0ec66&pd_rd_r=1f8a7010-19f3-46f6-a1f7-de713ff0b781&pd_rd_w=o1Qd7&pd_rd_wg=sA5EI&ref_=pd_gw_unk

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2021, 09:24 AM »
If you look at the 3rd party sellers profile on Amazon they're listed as "just launched" and "no feedback".  Should tell you something

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2021, 10:11 AM »
If you look at the 3rd party sellers profile on Amazon they're listed as "just launched" and "no feedback".  Should tell you something

Agree. It should tell Amazon something too, but they seem happy to sell counterfeit goods, or at least those that infringe on US patent law in the USA.

I'm sure Amazon has some excuse that lets them sleep at night, but it doesn't change the fact that they enable those counterfeiters by allowing those knock-off products to be sold here. Now if WP and other original manufacturers don't have patents then I guess the sellers of those knockoff products are not breaking any laws. And given the price of obtaining a patent maybe it's not worth it for the originator of a tool to obtain a patent. I don't know. It just rubs me the wrong way when I see those knockoff products being sold.
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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2021, 10:20 AM »
Initially I saw this advertised on Instagram. I was curious but suspicious which is why I bought through Amazon, who refunded my money. I number of listings actual describe it as a Woodpeckers product and there is US based company who use the Woodpeckers video. It looks a very useful product and much more portable than a drill press but if I am not prepared to pay the price then I shall have to go without. I have used a simple guide block to make sure my holes are straight which is effective but not as accurate.

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2021, 03:41 PM »
@Bob D. : hear, hear. I feel exactly the same way!

That's the main reason I don't buy off Alibaba or Banggood. There's so many knock-offs on there that you never know when you'll get something decent or some fake product. As a matter of fact, last time I looked over the shoulder of a friend it seemed to me it was almost all knock-offs or commodity products. Reviews aren't any use either (however, the same goes for Amazon). And those platforms don't care to hold their sellers to whatever standard it is they say they are upholding. One thing I have to give them is that they do not make a fuss about returns or giving your money back. That same friend I mentioned had a product delivered (don't even know from which platform) that was damaged. He sent them a photo and without any further questions got the choice between a refund or a replacement. But still...

I'd rather safe some more and buy the genuine article, or buy nothing at all. As a Dutchman I know how to be frugal, be cheap or safe money. But as a business owner and author I also know how much time it takes to invent and produce or write something.

Offline ChuckS

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2021, 05:40 PM »
Amazon and eBay aren't where I usually shop for my woodworking stuff, except in emergency.

In a recent project, I used a plug cutter (carbide-tipped) from China bought at a reputable local vendor. Excellent results. Then at a later stage, I realized I also needed a smaller cutter, which wouldn't be available until September. So Amazon was my quick option, but only non-carbide cutters (also from China) were offered.

Two of them arrived in damaged condition. I could have returned them, but my project couldn't wait anymore. The cutting was so slow, and the result so poor.

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2021, 09:47 PM »
I have been the victim of a product rip off so I can speak with a different view on the subject. I understand that members here seem to be saying rip off and piracy but the world has always worked like that otherwise you would not have choices in just about everything you buy Yes, I invented a product fully patented and had that ripped off and sold world wide but I was naive to expect that the patent would protect me, patents are for big companies such as Festool who can fund the protection they need, witness the Domino but not the track saw because Festool were to some extent productionising and improving a previously used method.

If a company such as Woodpeckers or anyone else brings a product to market they have a choice, let the product be copied or protect it and so far they have shown no will to do anything along those lines and us crying about product rip offs ignores that fact. Simply if you or I sell or introduce a product to market without protection and in some cases with it don't think it won't get copied, WP obviously have accepted the fact that it will and rely on being first in and having a lead time as well as a better made item. Everything we buy is taken from someone's (usually) innovation but we generally don't see that and just enjoy using it.     

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #36 on: July 17, 2021, 10:01 PM »
I’m not an IP attorney, and I haven’t scrutinized the products, but there’s a decent chance that these “fake” products aren’t infringing on any patents, anyway. They may well be, but if they cared about such things, I’m sure they could avoid it pretty easily.

Woodpecker’s drill guide contains cool and thoughtful features like a tapered shaft for the depth stop. These are likely simple junk that skip the best features of the real version, and you can’t patent a spring wrapped around a drill guide shaft (I don’t think).

What they are doing is passing their product off as the original and outright stealing Woodpecker’s artwork, aesthetic, and writing. It’s more like copyright infringement and counterfeit goods, than patent infringement, so far as I can tell.

What happened to you sounds infuriating, but these drill guides feel more akin to a fake Rolex to me.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2021, 10:06 PM by Dr. P. Venkman »

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2021, 10:14 PM »
The Auto-Line Drill Guide is patented and Woodpeckers is spending a mind-numbing amount of money trying to stop the piracy and fraud. One problem is that the crooks have become very sophisticated and Amazon, Facebook and eBay, while not expressly complicit, are not doing very much to stop the problem. They're getting paid for advertising and not paying much attention to what is being advertised. As fast as we complain to them, one site is taken down and another one with an ever-so-slightly different name and address pops up.

I agree with Dr. Venkman. It's one thing to make a poor copy of a product and put it out on the market in the same color and similar (but not identical) trade dress. That's Banggood. It's quite another to promise an authentic product and deliver nothing or something not even the slightest bit close to the authentic product. It is, as Dr. Venkman said, more a matter of copyright infringement than patent violation.

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2021, 06:10 AM »
"WP obviously have accepted the fact that it will and rely on being first in and having a lead time as well as a better made item."

They may acknowledge the condition, but I doubt they have accepted it, which to me implies they are OK with the situation and I doubt that's the case.

I think WP and others like them also depend on us, the end user/purchaser of their product to recognize a knockoff when we come across it and then do the right thing. If there was no one buying those knockoff products then there would be no incentive to produce counterfeit goods and they would die off.

No different than the drug trade.

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #39 on: July 18, 2021, 07:03 AM »
Everything we buy is a knock off, even the motor car, cordless drills etc. Someone came to market with the first one and it was copied. We the buyer created the market for the copy to be made at a cheaper price but everyone seems to ignore that little fact. Searching for lower prices but not accepting that the domestic work force won't work for less money = cheap manufacturing. Who is to blame for that, the manufacturer wanting to compete or the buyer wanting to buy cheaper or even the worker for wanting a living wage? How many people here have maligned WP or Festool for their prices?

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2021, 04:29 PM »
I am still wondering if these knock off drill guides actually exist, or if it is simply a scam. I ordered one from Amazon in the UK over a month ago but never received it. I complained to Amazon and they refunded my money. Since then I have received numerous emails from Amazon suggesting this item from a number of different sellers. Today, I had a long online chat with Amazon UK about this. There response was that if the goods were not as advertised then the money would be refunded but they seemed unable to grasp my point that the goods might not actually exist.

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #41 on: July 18, 2021, 04:45 PM »
If the seller has just been launched or has only a few feedback (and none is about woodworking items), I don't think the advertised item is in its custody. If the item is to be shipped by Amazon Fulfillment (warehouse) rather than from China, then it has a 99.99% chance of being legit. I'd rather deal with a seller with weak feedback record than one with none -- whether on Amazon or on eBay.

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« Reply #42 on: July 18, 2021, 05:56 PM »
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That's the main reason I don't buy off Alibaba or Banggood.
I've bought a fair amount of stuff from them and Aliexpress and this is the only time I've been let down. I bought a (Microjig) Grrriper equivalent  for $40 AUD compared to $130 AUD which is just as good as the original which I also own and the (Festool) MFT in line clamps equivalent for $35AUD compared to $200 AUD and they are just as good and used every day. The youtube channel "Hooked on wood" and his website https://www.hookedonwood.online/ describes and rates many of these tools so I'm not completely against buying from them other than sometimes feeling guilty that I've bought a blatant "knock off".

Offline Mini Me

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #43 on: July 18, 2021, 08:20 PM »
Australia is in a slightly different position to other major markets, nearly everything we buy is imported so buying from the cheapest source is the sensible thing to do as long as the quality is reasonable. From the outside looking in it seems the US buyers are not used to looking overseas but it is the first thing I do if looking for tools.

Offline ChuckS

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #44 on: July 19, 2021, 12:07 AM »
I suppose we in N.A. prefer to buy local because of shipping distance and time. I see some Amazon items from China list 6 to 8 weeks as delivery time. I get shipments usually within 1 wk (inside Canada) or 10 business days (if from the US).
« Last Edit: July 19, 2021, 12:09 AM by ChuckM »

Offline jbarr

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #45 on: July 19, 2021, 07:16 PM »
Just received my refund acknowledgement from Amazon for this absolutely BS product  [mad]. I'm amazed they don't take any responsibility for advertising a product that I'm pretty sure doesn't exist. I'm very glad I didn't buy it directly through this scamming reseller. Lesson learnt!

Offline deepcreek

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2021, 11:12 PM »
Used the Woodpeckers AutoLine Dtill Guide for the first time today albeit in an unorthodox fashion.

Smooth and accurate.

I'm impressed.
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Offline WillAdams

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #47 on: July 21, 2021, 07:41 AM »
It's exactly that sort of thing which has me wanting the Bridge City Toolworks DJ-3 when it comes out --- planning on pairing it w/ a Tanos (or Festool) MW 1000 Mobile Workstation and a Mafell drill.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide...Less Return Spring Force?
« Reply #48 on: August 18, 2021, 10:23 AM »
I've been using my Woodpeckers Drill Guide a lot lately with the CXS mounted on it for drilling multiple 1/8" & 3/16" holes. I'm very happy with it for vertical use, however for horizontal use, when you take gravity out of the equation, the small drill and stiff return spring combination can be a challenge. In some instances, I've removed the spring completely and that really helped the ease of operation and enhanced smoothness.

It'd just be nice if Woodpeckers offered a couple of spring options. For my intended uses I doubt I'll ever mount anything on it that's larger than the CXS.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #49 on: August 18, 2021, 05:22 PM »
@Cheese , are you saying they should include a couple different springs or they should have an option when ordering to get a light or heavy spring or springs rated for range like 2 to 3 pounds, then 3 to 4.5, and 4.5 to 6. I don't know if those are valid numbers just throwing them out as an example.

You can probably find springs easy enough on your own but I get where you're coming from.

I was thinking the same thing Monday when using my DeWalt cordless router in the plunge base. The spring has so much resistance it makes it difficult to make a smooth plunge and I was wishing for a lighter spring or adjustable spring tension.
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Re: Woodpeckers Auto-Line Drill Guide
« Reply #50 on: August 18, 2021, 06:19 PM »
@Cheese , are you saying they should include a couple different springs or they should have an option when ordering to get a light or heavy spring or springs rated for range like 2 to 3 pounds, then 3 to 4.5, and 4.5 to 6. I don't know if those are valid numbers just throwing them out as an example.

Hey @Bob D. you’ve got it right, just offer a couple as options or choose the one you need when you order. I may look at McMaster Carr to see what they have. I’ve been thinking about putting in an order there anyway.