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Offline ejw1234567890

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Makita vs Festool?
« on: September 10, 2017, 04:55 PM »
I am a hobby woodworker and still building up my tool set.  have a good table saw, spindle moulder and P/T.  The question is what platform do i want to invest in for cordless power tools going forward.  I was all excited about festool but have recently been swayed by the Makita products, e.g. track saw, new trim/plunge router, pin nailer, etc.  They seem to be building out their range constantly as well.
 
Apart from the Domino, I'm not sure I can justify the Festool premium anymore.  It seems like compatibility was previously a big driver of festool but the cordless trend seems to make this less important IMO.

Interested to see if anyone else is thinking along the same lines.


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Offline mrB

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2017, 05:07 PM »
But Makita tools are generally great quality and value, and there range of 18v tools & appliances simply dwarfs that of any other manufacturer. Plus their tools and batterys etc are among the most widely available, which adds convenience.

If I hadn't fallen in love with the festool drills, and didn't have a general resentment of owning multiple battery platforms. .  I would un-questionably already be in the Makita 18v platform.
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Offline RussellS

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2017, 05:09 PM »
Makita is a good, high quality brand.  Makita makes darn good tools.  Maybe in various reviews, the Festool will test a bit higher.  Maybe.  But the Makita will do the job 99.99999999% as well.  Does that extra .00000001 or whatever matter? Probably not.  And then when you figure in the extra $500 per tool the Festool costs over the Makita, ...  There really aren't any bad choices when you consider the various high end tool brands.  They are all about equal.

Offline antss

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2017, 05:48 PM »
Depends on what cordless tools you think you might be wanting in the future.

Makita is darn good and has a wide range of tool that fit their battery platform. Even a cordless sander.  Want to use your new Festool cordless sander's battery on another tool ?  [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]
Forget it.

Same if you buy a CXS drill that many guys like.

Want SDS drill down the line ?  Forget Festool.
Same with yard blower.
Want a cordless vacuum ? Makita , not Festool.

Festool's " system approach" falls woefully short when it comes their battery tool line. They decided to get serious a bit too late and they have decided to not have broad platform that shares batteries.

Unless you consider a couple of LED lights and wimpy radio broad offerings.

Another line  to consider would be Milwaukee. They have double the tools that Makita offers including trade specific items like plumbing crimpers and string trimmers.

That aside, as a hobbyist , I wouldn't get overly concerned about having a single battery tool lineup.  I'd buy the specific tools that fit my job and felt good to use. If that's five tools with four different batteries, so be it.  Sharing two/three batteries between 12 tool sounds good on paper, but is less so in practice unless you're mobile. 

Offline rst

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2017, 06:19 PM »
I just ordered the CXS after a couple years of agonizing over whether I wanted to invest in still another battery platform, but that 90% adapter finally hypnotized my brain ...so now I have 12 and 18v Milwaukee, 18v Fein, 18v Festool, and now the 10.8v.  I have the Milwaukee 12v drill, hammerdrill, driver, impact driver, recip, oscillating, and rotary tools and at least 8 batteries.  I use the 18v hammerdrill, 1 1/8" rotary drill/hammer, 6 1/2" steel cutting circular saw, grinder, right angle impact driller, original impact, new hydraulic impact, blower, trimmer, and 3/8" drive impact...and the led lights.  I have the Fein cordless Supercut and the new drill driver.  I also have the HKC and three batteries. Trying to ignore the comments that say the TSC 55 seems more powerful than corded 55.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2017, 06:49 PM »
Trying to ignore the comments that say the TSC 55 seems more powerful than corded 55.

Pssssst...it's true. [poke]

Just today I had to cut some 5/16" aluminum plate. Normally I'd haul out the corded 8" Milwaukee metal saw, grab an extension cord, grab a couple of clamps, grab a stick of 80/20, clamp everything down and then start cutting, but every 10-12" stop and clean out the aluminum chips that wedge themselves between the aluminum material and the stainless sole plate of the Milwaukee.

Today I tried something different.  I grabbed the TSC 55, changed blades, placed a guide rail on the aluminum and just pushed the saw down the rail. It was so easy it's now my method of choice.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2017, 07:24 PM by Cheese »

Offline DB10

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2017, 07:42 PM »
Trying to ignore the comments that say the TSC 55 seems more powerful than corded 55.

Pssssst...it's true. [poke]

This seems to be the consensus in NA, with the 110v version but what do people in Europe and Aus think of the power difference, those who can compare the cordless to the 230v? Is there any difference I only have the TSC saw so I can't compare but we were always lead to believe that both saws were equal in power.
 So is the TSC only equal with the 230v TS?

Back to the OP's question, I'm presuming that you are in NA, you don't say (why do new members not include a rough location anymore) it would sure help with replies.

 Makita can be very slow at introducing some of their cordless range into certain countries the cordless router has been out in Europe and Aus since March but to the best of my knowledge still not yet released in NA but then NA get the 23gauge pin nailer before the rest of the world. So depending on where you live will probably make a difference.
 Maybe years ago there was some advantage in buying Festool but these days even for someone who makes their living with their tools it's a lot less and that's not because Festool have got worse it's because the competition has raised their game so much and offer much better value for money.

Offline ejw1234567890

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2017, 08:34 PM »
Depends on what cordless tools you think you might be wanting in the future.

Makita is darn good and has a wide range of tool that fit their battery platform. Even a cordless sander.  Want to use your new Festool cordless sander's battery on another tool ?  [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]
Forget it.

Same if you buy a CXS drill that many guys like.

Want SDS drill down the line ?  Forget Festool.
Same with yard blower.
Want a cordless vacuum ? Makita , not Festool.

Festool's " system approach" falls woefully short when it comes their battery tool line. They decided to get serious a bit too late and they have decided to not have broad platform that shares batteries.

Unless you consider a couple of LED lights and wimpy radio broad offerings.

Another line  to consider would be Milwaukee. They have double the tools that Makita offers including trade specific items like plumbing crimpers and string trimmers.

That aside, as a hobbyist , I wouldn't get overly concerned about having a single battery tool lineup.  I'd buy the specific tools that fit my job and felt good to use. If that's five tools with four different batteries, so be it.  Sharing two/three batteries between 12 tool sounds good on paper, but is less so in practice unless you're mobile.


Thanks for the advice guys.  I think you are right about Festool and their cordless range. the lack of compatibility was what struck me early and what drew me to Makita ... other than the price.

Good comment below around other manufacturers really improving their ranges over the last few years to catch up to Festool.

Offline neilc

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2017, 09:00 PM »
I have mostly Festool products but an older Panasonic drill that went south.  Batteries were going to be about $80-90 each.  I looked around and bought the drill / driver brushless small Makita for $239 with a third battery included.  Followed that with a Makita LED light.  Then a Makita right angle driver.  Then a Makita grass trimmer. 

My local Makita dealer said Makita has the broadest range of cordless tools, and he carries FT, Dewalt, Milwaukee, Makita, etc. 

I've been happy with the Makita line thus far but I have not tried their track saw and have been really happy with my MFT / TSC55 / LR32.

But I think if you want cordless RANGE and AFFORDABILITY without sacrificing performance, Makita, Dewalt or Milwaukee are all REALLY good alternatives to consider. 

All are ahead of Festool in battery tool range.  All are ahead of FT in brushless.  FT might have the edge in quality or in a 'system' approach.

A new FT 18v drill kit is $630.  A Makita drill/impact driver brushless combo kit with better ergonomics, balance, speed, and equal or better performance is around $250 with 3 batteries.

I have realized that trying to buy everything on one battery platform might be a stretch for the range of tools you need.   Competition in the industry is good, and I hope we see continued innovation and faster releases coming from FT in the future.  I guess hoping for lower prices might not be in the cards, however.

Offline ejw1234567890

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2017, 11:46 PM »
thanks Neil

Offline Jmacpherson

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2017, 10:15 AM »
Makita can be very slow at introducing some of their cordless range into certain countries

I have to concur with @DB10, down here in SA Makita only release new tools or bring in new tools every 6 months. If Festool don't have stock locally can get it from Germany within 2 weeks.
Unfortunately their new Mitre saws (corded or cordless 2x18v) aren't available locally so I went with the Kapex instead otherwise I would have been very tempted by them.

I have a number of Makita 18v tools (impact drivers, drill, caulking gun, recip saw, chainsaw, line trimmer, wrench, leaf blower) which I use alongside my 18v HKC and PDC from Festool.

However I'm very happy with them and they have a very extensive lineup.

Their new cordless track saw seems to have more grunt than the TSC55 from the videos I've seen.

Offline Holmz

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2017, 06:08 PM »
For a nailer I went Grex, but in "wind powered" as the fuel cells are not available via airplane.

Makita, Milwaukee, etc are good.
Makita is pretty solid stuff - so it makes sense to gravitate to that platform.

I am going 10.8V in Metabo (but I do not think that they do North America).

Offline Woozal

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2017, 09:57 PM »
I have to say you are not going to beat the cordless makita XPH07MB drill.  I have two of these to keep from changing drill bits/ drivers. This is hands better than any festoon or Milwaukee cordless drill. It is brushless motor and saves battery usage. You will pay about half the money as for a festool but this is a heavy duty drill, not a power screwdriver.  It is hammer drill and screw clutch.  Major torque and I got the 5amp hour batteries.  Highly recommended.

Offline leakyroof

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2017, 11:42 AM »
Sounds like you're set with answers about Makita, but I'll add my 2 cents. I have both Festool and Makita Cordless tools. I just buy what works for me for the task or tasks I need to perform with the tools. Having said that, Makita DOES offer that huge line-up, so if you don't need batteries for every tool, buying bare tools does save you money. I move batteries between my 18volt 1/2" Impact Wrench, Blower, Cordless Saw and Recip. Saw as needed. I also have a 12 volt 1/4" hex impact and its larger 18 volt brother for assembly work. The small 12 volt size is great for tight areas that would be a struggle with the larger bodied 18 volt impact.
  The 1/2" drive Impact is just a beast in terms of power, REALLY surprised me once I bought it since I was experienced with Air Powered Impacts for decades and didn't realize how cordless impacts had caught up with them for power and small size.
 My older memories of 120 volt and cordless impacts were of fairly massive tools that didn't begin to match small air powered versions at all with regards to power output.... [embarassed] [eek]
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Offline online421

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2017, 06:24 AM »
Festool power tools (except Domino)? its like Bentley Toilet paper. it make you feel better and thats about it.
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Offline ear3

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2017, 09:27 AM »
That is my experience as well.  I sold my corded 55 after trying out the TSC for a couple of weeks.  You may not notice the difference when cutting 3/4 material, but as you move up in thickness, and especially over 1 1/2", the TSC cuts noticeably easier than the corded version.  No strain on the motor and no bogging down.

Trying to ignore the comments that say the TSC 55 seems more powerful than corded 55.

Pssssst...it's true. [poke]

Just today I had to cut some 5/16" aluminum plate. Normally I'd haul out the corded 8" Milwaukee metal saw, grab an extension cord, grab a couple of clamps, grab a stick of 80/20, clamp everything down and then start cutting, but every 10-12" stop and clean out the aluminum chips that wedge themselves between the aluminum material and the stainless sole plate of the Milwaukee.

Today I tried something different.  I grabbed the TSC 55, changed blades, placed a guide rail on the aluminum and just pushed the saw down the rail. It was so easy it's now my method of choice.
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Offline JeremyH.

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2018, 05:25 PM »
Interesting.

How many of you would want an adapter for AC power to your TSC 55, so you could cut all day long with that kind of power?

Offline rst

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2018, 05:36 PM »
I too think that the TSC may cut with more power.  My take is that it may be that the saw and extractor are not both pulling on the same circuit.  I rarely rum my saws thru my extractor and don't see a problem with power.  And just for full disclosure my first track saw was a Makita which I kept for rough construction but need to sell as I bought the HKC and love it.

Offline KongKirill

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2018, 06:52 PM »
After reading all comments I had to check if I was on some kind of makitaownersgroup?...  Pure Marxism!  [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]
This is what i think:
If to traders turn up in front of me to do the work, one with makita tools and the other with festool, I'll always pick one with festool. Festool for me means someone who stive to do the best work, not best deal. If you want value for money Dewalt is unbeatable. Cheap and you can always afford  new.
I buy only Festool, and consider other brands only if Festool doesn't make the tool i need. I'm not a skilled carpenter, and often it's really frustrating when I fail to do something and I wonder is it me, or could I do it with better tools? When I use Festool and I fail, I know, that's me, not the tool! 
I do not make money with my hands any more, as I become an architect. So projects I do are for my friends, so I never take money for that. But I still try to do better than the time before.
About batteries.. I got my first 15,4v drill in 2007, when i was an apprentice.  Since I only changed the charger. Everything else is just fine... May be some other brands are better new, but I believe that you buy Festool only ones.
I'm not objective about the tools, that's got to be mentioned. Festool for me more like a cult...
Interesting though, In Norway we don't consider either Makita, Metabo or Milwaukee  as a high-end brands.. Festool, Hilti, Mafell are  the brands of choice.

Just an opinion :)

Offline JeremyH.

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2018, 07:06 PM »
I too think that the TSC may cut with more power.  My take is that it may be that the saw and extractor are not both pulling on the same circuit.  I rarely rum my saws thru my extractor and don't see a problem with power.  And just for full disclosure my first track saw was a Makita which I kept for rough construction but need to sell as I bought the HKC and love it.

The DC brushless motor has access to regular uninterrupted power. Where as the 120v 60hz the power goes up and down in a 60hz cycle.

It is possible to run in DC with brushless, on AC power, but it's more complicated and costly. It takes two conversions into usable power, and need expensive capacitors/supercapacitors.

I could make it, but it wouldn't be super cheap.

Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2018, 09:26 PM »
Interesting.

How many of you would want an adapter for AC power to your TSC 55, so you could cut all day long with that kind of power?
I think that would be a great thing. Like the d-Wally table saw.
I love my TSC-55 but have a TS-75 also.
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Offline sheperd80

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2018, 10:13 PM »
Go with any of the higher end box store brands for cordless tools. Im a milwaukee guy myself but makita bosch and dewalt all make great cordless tools as well. Dont waste your money on festool in this area. If you want precision woodworking tools with dust collection...THEN waste your money on Festool :-D

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Offline mrB

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2018, 04:35 AM »
Despite my original response declaring Makita to be a strong choice....  I wanted to come back and throw some balance into this thread full of people saying the festool drills/cordless aren't worth it....

I had makita drills for 10 years - since i bought my first festool drill i loath using any dewalt, makita or bosch etc drill....

Other people might prefer to have a heaving makita with enough power to turn the world... But as a professional woodworker i can not really express how much i prefer my festool drills over anything else I've ever used. And I've tried a lot of cordless drills.

So while i understand the advice and opinions against the festools, hold your horses with the sweeping finality in such statments. Cos some people disagree with you emphatically! :)

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Offline TXFIVEO

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2018, 08:26 AM »
I have both Dewalt and Milwaukee cordless tools. I am happy with both...but I if I had to pick between Tom he two...probably Dewalt.  The cordless tools they have just seem to outperform overall.  Their drills are pretty much even, but when you throw in other tools like cordless nailer, oscillating tool, etc the Dewalt wins for me. 

Offline Lbob131

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2018, 03:57 PM »
Have  metabo cordless  for some time now.
Just acquired   the KS 18 LTX 57   circular saw. Which is compatible  with festool  rails.
And metabo metaloc  fits directly with  festool  systainers. I'm lucky  as I live close  to one of the UK's  biggest metabo  importers.

Offline RussellS

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2018, 04:25 PM »
In Norway we don't consider either Makita, Metabo or Milwaukee  as a high-end brands.. Festool, Hilti, Mafell are the brands of choice.

In the USA I don't think people consider Makita, Milwaukee, DeWalt to be high end brands.  They are considered quality tools used by people who use tools every day.  Construction crews, repair men, etc.  Quality tools that get the job done.  Nothing fancy or high faluting about them.  Festool, Hilti, etc. are definitely high end tools.  Not sure high quality is the right word.  High end meaning they are good quality, just like Makita, Milwaukee, DeWalt, but they are also high priced.  Higher priced by a lot than Makita, DeWalt, Milwaukee.  They may offer that little bit extra in precision or finesse over the other common brands.  But for a plumber drilling holes for pipes in joists, or a carpenter cutting studs for a wall, none of that matters jack squat.

Offline fshanno

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2018, 10:31 PM »
Despite my original response declaring Makita to be a strong choice....  I wanted to come back and throw some balance into this thread full of people saying the festool drills/cordless aren't worth it....

I had makita drills for 10 years - since i bought my first festool drill i loath using any dewalt, makita or bosch etc drill....

Other people might prefer to have a heaving makita with enough power to turn the world... But as a professional woodworker i can not really express how much i prefer my festool drills over anything else I've ever used. And I've tried a lot of cordless drills.

So while i understand the advice and opinions against the festools, hold your horses with the sweeping finality in such statments. Cos some people disagree with you emphatically! :)

I get you.  Festool is kind of the Lie-Nielsen of drills.  For a certain part of the market a belt hook is just something that gets in the way. 

I can feel it even in the CXS.  It does have a certain feel, a difference.

And the Centrotec stuff fits in with that.  It's too expensive and to exclusive for the market at large and I'm talking the professional market.  But it's better.

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Offline fshanno

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2018, 10:39 PM »

Interesting though, In Norway we don't consider either Makita, Metabo or Milwaukee  as a high-end brands.. Festool, Hilti, Mafell are  the brands of choice.


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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2018, 11:16 PM »
@rst @ear3  can you use a standard ts55 kerf blade on the tsc? i have 4 blades for the corded and Im thinking about making the switch.
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Offline rst

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2018, 07:21 AM »
The Festool 55 series saws all use the same blades...personally, I use AGE blades that I buy from ToolsToday.

Offline kevinculle

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2018, 07:41 AM »
Once you decide to pony up for an overpriced luxury good whether a tool, bottle of wine or piece of audio equipment, you can count on confirmation bias to convince you that your money was well spent!

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2018, 06:07 AM »
@blaszcsj Yup!

@rst @ear3  can you use a standard ts55 kerf blade on the tsc? i have 4 blades for the corded and Im thinking about making the switch.
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Offline ScotF

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2018, 10:26 AM »
@blaszcsj Yup!

@rst @ear3  can you use a standard ts55 kerf blade on the tsc? i have 4 blades for the corded and Im thinking about making the switch.


The TSC55 is just awesome. I have the 75 and rarely use it since the TSC55 is so darn good. Great power, ergonomics and not being tethered is great.

Offline ProCarpenterRVA

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2018, 02:35 PM »
I've been using makita stuff since the 70s when I had a PanAm pilot bring me back a sander and a drill from Tokyo. I was so excited to get a cordless drill!!! Pretty amazing stuff back then.

I have a few Makita 18 volt impact drivers and drills in use now which have been used heavily over the years. They have driven tens of thousands of screws in all sorts of applications. They look like heck and the batteries are tired now, not holding a good charge for long, but that's to be expected. I'm sure tempted to grab the new cordless miter saw this month just to get the two free batteries they're offering on top of the two which come with the saw!

I've had their belt sanders, miter saws, nail guns, compressor, all good tools that we abused and wore out.

So to answer your question, the Makita stuff is well made for the money. Tons of pros buy them.

Then there's Festool

Festool has a lot of niche products like the sanders, dust extractors, planer with variable contour heads, Conturo, Domino joiner, even Kapex miter saw, all of which have unique features that put them ahead of the competition. If you use them enough like I do, paying the "premium" isn't as much a problem as it would be if you were a hobbyist. I look at the "premium" partly as a function of their being German, and partly because they offer generally superior support and warranty. As a professional user, after you've spent hours and hours using less refined tools, the Festool choices become easier to make.



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Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2018, 10:07 PM »
@blaszcsj Yup!

@rst @ear3  can you use a standard ts55 kerf blade on the tsc? i have 4 blades for the corded and Im thinking about making the switch.


The TSC55 is just awesome. I have the 75 and rarely use it since the TSC55 is so darn good. Great power, ergonomics and not being tethered is great.
I have a TS-75 also ,and have not picked it up since I got the TSC-55.
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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2018, 11:35 AM »
I love my Festool tools - But would think long and hard - About buying them today.
Notwithstanding the Festool issue - Regarding the hassle and considerable cost -
Of having to have sets of different proprietary batteries for each different tool -
There was a time - Back when I bought most of my Festool tools -
When Festool was noted for high priced - But high QA, premium quality tools.
But, the last few years Festool’s QA seems to have diminished -
As evidenced by an ever increasing number of posts - Across a wide variety of tools -
In the FOG’s Festool Tool Problems section.

Continueing to tell customers to return Festool tools within 30 days of purchase -
Or to send them in to be repaired to Festool Service -
Just isn’t good enough anymore.

Hence, the increasing comparisons to Makita and other brands -
“Good enough to do the job” - At 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2018, 12:11 PM by Joe Felchlin »
FESTOOL: CT26, CT33 E HEPA Dust Extractors, MFT 1080, MFT-3, TS 55 REQ-F-Plus USA, TS75 EQ, Guide Rails: 1080's/1400/3000mm, LR 32-SYS/Holey Rail, Parallel Guides & Extensions, Plunge Routers: OF1400 EQ & OF1010, Sanders: RO125 FEQ Rotex, LS 130 EQ Linear Detail, DX93E Detail, Drills: C12 Cordless, CXS Cordless Compact Driver, SYS-Centrotec-Set, Dominos: XL DF 700 EQ Plus Tenon Joiner Set, DF 500 Tenon Joiner, VAC SYS: System Set, SE 2, Accessory Set | WOODPECKERS: DF 500 Offset Base System | BOSCH: 5412L Compound Miter Saw, 4100-09 10-Inch Table Saw | POWERMATIC: 60HH 8" Jointer, PWBS 14" Bandsaw w/Riser Block | MAKITA: 2012NB Bench Top Planer | JESSEM: Mast-R-Lift XL/Fence/Slide, Rout-R-Plate/Table Stand | RIKON: 50-120 6inX48in Belt-Disc Sander | JET: JBOS-5 Benchtop Oscillating Spindle Sander | PORTER CABLE: 7518 and 690LVRS Routers, 557 Pro Plate Joiner, 16/18/23 Gauge Nailers | LEIGH JIGS: D4R 24 Pro Dovetail Jig, FMT Pro Mortise & Tenon Jig | LIE-NIELSEN: Almost every hand plane | DOWELMAX: 3/8" and 1/4" | KREG: K3 Master System | FEIN: Multimaster FMM 250 Q Kit | TORMEK: Super-Grind 2000 | DUST DEPUTY: Industrial (ALL) Steel Deluxe Cyclone (2)

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2018, 12:25 PM »
I love my Festool tools - But would think long and hard - About buying them today.
Notwithstanding the Festool issue - Regarding the hassle and considerable cost -
Of having to have sets of different proprietary batteries for each different tool -
There was a time - Back when I bought most of my Festool tools -
When Festool was noted for high priced - But high QA, premium quality tools.
But, the last few years Festool’s QA seems to have diminished -
As evidenced by an ever increasing number of posts - Across a wide variety of tools -
In the FOG’s Festool Tool Problems section.

Continueing to tell customers to return Festool tools within 30 days of purchase -
Or to send them in to be repaired to Festool Service -
Just isn’t good enough anymore.

Hence, the increasing comparisons to Makita and other brands -
“Good enough to do the job” - At 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.


     That portion about the battery platforms is only partially accurate.  You do not need a different battery for each different tool.  CXS/TXS and the new cordless sanders each have their own battery type. But everything else uses the same battery .......  TSC55 saw, HKC55 saw, Carvex, T and C series drills, PDC drill, BHC Hammer drill, DWC Drywall driver, Syslite, Radio ..... all the same battery platform.



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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #37 on: April 24, 2018, 03:39 PM »
Festools circular saws and for me especually the HKC 55 are brilliant.
Their drills? Lot of money for something that makes a chuck spin.

Am interested in the Drywall cordless though.

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #38 on: April 24, 2018, 04:50 PM »
Festools circular saws and for me especually the HKC 55 are brilliant.
Their drills? Lot of money for something that makes a chuck spin.

Am interested in the Drywall cordless though.
  I have the Cordless Drywall Gun along with several of their 'chuck spinning' drills    [poke].  Very sweet, very quick, and quiet... [thumbs up]  My first Collated Screw Gun.... [not worthy]
 
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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #39 on: April 24, 2018, 08:50 PM »
Thank You Seth - Respectfully - For your reply.
I may have overstated the variety/number of batteries and chargers -
One needs to operate in the Festool environment.
But... Your detailed tool by tool information -
More than served to make my (and others) point.
We’re now waiting for the $$$$ Festool brand POWER STRIP -
To plug ‘em all into.  [wink]
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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #40 on: April 24, 2018, 09:57 PM »
I love my Festool tools - But would think long and hard - About buying them today.
Notwithstanding the Festool issue - Regarding the hassle and considerable cost -
Of having to have sets of different proprietary batteries for each different tool -
There was a time - Back when I bought most of my Festool tools -
When Festool was noted for high priced - But high QA, premium quality tools.
But, the last few years Festool’s QA seems to have diminished -
As evidenced by an ever increasing number of posts - Across a wide variety of tools -
In the FOG’s Festool Tool Problems section.

Continueing to tell customers to return Festool tools within 30 days of purchase -
Or to send them in to be repaired to Festool Service -
Just isn’t good enough anymore.

Hence, the increasing comparisons to Makita and other brands -
“Good enough to do the job” - At 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.


     That portion about the battery platforms is only partially accurate.  You do not need a different battery for each different tool.  CXS/TXS and the new cordless sanders each have their own battery type. But everything else uses the same battery .......  TSC55 saw, HKC55 saw, Carvex, T and C series drills, PDC drill, BHC Hammer drill, DWC Drywall driver, Syslite, Radio ..... all the same battery platform.



Seth

Festool probably has the widest number of incompatible tool batteries and chargers outside of Mafell and Fein. It’s actually one area were they don’t have a “system” aproach in place, despite this being one of the things Festool is supposedly known for.
Mafell has such a wide variety of batteries and chargers, because they don’t manufacture their own battery system. They rebrand or modify other companies cordless tools to make their cordless models, and just use the original manufacturers battery platform, which means tools might use AEG/Milwaukee, Bosch, or Metabo batteries, depending on what the tool is. Are there others as well? At least this makes purchasing extra batteries more convenient locally than finding Mafell batteries given the small number of sources for Mafell tools in the US.
Fein on the other hand has a habit of coming out with a new battery system for each generation of tools. Other than the most often seen cordless drill though, most Fein cordless tools were highly expensive fastening tools, made for industrial assembly  for companies like BMW. So I can understand using a different battery system fir those tools, and actually keeping the older system when they switched to the newer lithium cordless system with the wider variety of tools. Fein also made an adapter for the chargers so the industrial tools could be charged with the regilar chargers.
Festool on the other hand never seemed to keep a “system” approach for their cordless tools. Back when the CDD and TDD cordless drills were being sold, both drills used different batteries, and different chargers, at least in North America. Then Festool came out with the newer C12 series drills which used different chargers and batteries from the CDD and TDD drills. Now Festool has added even more tools that don’t use compatible batteries and chargers.

Are there four different battery platforms currently in production or more at the moment?

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #41 on: April 24, 2018, 10:52 PM »
So I just read this thread from the beginning and there is a lot of great information here but I was left with this discussion reminding me of tool buying conclusions that I made thirty years ago and how they still apply today. I should say that I own a lot of tools in Milwaukee’s 18V platform and three Festools (no cordless yet). The thought is this, platforms are great and I love having ten tools that run on one battery platform BUT no one tool manufacturer will ever make ALL the best tools that I need /want the most. Case in point, as much as I love my  Milwaukee cordless platform I will probably buy a CSX one of the days because it fits a need that Milwaukee can’t fill. Someone else will always come out with something new that has some particular improvement that will make it compelling to you. So you can pick the best path for you today but cut yourself a break because the day will probably come when you stray from that path and it will be OK. (Or you just might stumble across a great deal on some great tool and voila, you just arrived in a new platform.)

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2018, 05:56 AM »
Seth has a very valid point about Festool batteries. Yes the 10,8v drills and the 18v sanders are different but the sander batteries work on the current 18v chargers. However, the 18v/15v batteries and tools are backwards and forwards compatible.

Here is Peter Parfit's review of the BHC, go to 03:57 to see the part about batteries.


A lot of people will invest into a cordless system which has the most variety, which Makita and Milwaukee probably own in terms of variety. Dewalt seems to be coming up with some interesting items and even Ryobi too from a more affordable point of view.
The battery ah/capacity race seems to have been replaced by the cordless tool of convenience race - cordless pvc pipe cutters, rivet guns and coffee machines

That being said, how many people would buy a tool from another platform from a convenience or efficiency point of view?

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2018, 09:53 AM »
       I'd just like to point out that some of this incompatibility can be applied to other brands as well.

     I do not see any DeWalt, Milwaukee, Makita, Bosch compact drill/driver that uses the same batteries as the 18v or higher tools in those brands. So how is this different from Festool CXS and C/T series using different batteries?

      A cursory glance through tools and info seems to also indicate that not all chargers are compatible, nor can all newer tools use older batteries in other brands either. 

     It would be great if all the tools used the same batteries within a brand, Festool or otherwise.  But it is not  just   Festool that has some or a variety of battery incompatibility issues.    Hmmmm, interesting.  [scratch chin]


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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #44 on: April 25, 2018, 10:05 AM »
@SRSemenza
Festool has three current battery types that are not cross compatible.
1. 12v
2. 18v (for drills and saws)
3. 18v (for sanders)

I think it is the brand new sander battery platform that has everyone disappointed.

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2018, 10:27 AM »
All this boo hoo rah about the new sanders is ridiculous, if Festool would have hung the existing 18v batteries on the new sanders the complaints would have been about the weight.

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #46 on: April 25, 2018, 10:34 AM »
@SRSemenza
Festool has three current battery types that are not cross compatible.
1. 12v
2. 18v (for drills and saws)
3. 18v (for sanders)

I think it is the brand new sander battery platform that has everyone disappointed.


Yes, I know. And it would be great if the sanders were compatible, I would like that too if I get one. I guess the trade off would be a large rectangular battery on the sander. Maybe that matters, maybe it doesn't. I have not really used any cordless sander except for just checking out the Festool sanders at  Connect.

My real point is that sometimes on this forum (and yes, this goes with the territory of it being a Festool forum) it appears that Festool is the only brand that has something wrong with a tool line or feature , etc. and that other brands do not have those problems. When in fact they do. In this case battery / tool / charger incompatibilities.

Seth
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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #47 on: April 25, 2018, 11:48 PM »
Makita has one Battery platform, Festool at least three. On some Makita tools the Battery due to size upsets the balance. ( Eg.new batt. Trim Router.)

There is your choice 'sports fans'. Do you want a full sized Festool Battery on one of the new Sanders or the given and appropriate balanced unit provided?

I have Festool and Makita, and others. As others have said here, it's not Festool vs Makita, 'it's the right tool for the right task'.

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #48 on: April 26, 2018, 06:53 AM »
To be fair, Makita’s first generation Lion batteries and tools weren’t exactly compatible with what followed.  They later added circuitry to prevent the tools from draining the batteries too much rendering them bricks that their chargers would not charger.  As a result full compatibility with newer tools and batteries was limited without user modification.  I was happy with the performance of their cordless platform, but the inability to upgrade piecemeal with the newer batteries and brushless tools left me no choice but to vote with my wallet.  So Makita isn’t without fault.

I don’t feel much better about Festool having bought the last of their 14v platform before they standardized on 18v. So now I have three Festool battery platforms with limited cross compatibility between batteries, tools and chargers. 
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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #49 on: April 26, 2018, 08:05 AM »
Makita has one Battery platform, Festool at least three. ( Eg.new batt. Trim Router.)

I mean, they've got a 12V line which is somewhat comparable to what the TXS/CXS do without being compatible with the 18V line, no?

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2018, 01:03 PM »
I will stand up for Festool and say great job on creating a battery for the tool, not the tool for the battery. Plus Festool's costs for their batteries is very reasonable.

I WANT two different voltage battery systems. Although I don't own Festool cordless, I do own Milwaukee M12 12 volts tools and they are perfect for so many jobs. I don't need an 18 volt caulking gun, but the 12 volt version works awesome and is light weight. My go to 1/4" impact gun is my M12, and I own 3, 1/4", 18 volt impact guns in both Milwaukee and Makita. 

Also no one size of battery is good enough. I prefer a 2.0Ah battery for impact drivers and other tools vs a 5.0Ah. 9.0Ah batteries are great for some things, but heavy as heck.

Festool releases Bluetooth batteries for connection to their dust collectors...people complain. Makita goes the other route and releases tools that are Bluetooth and keep their batteries...people complain. Point being you can't make everyone happy. They both have their advantages.

Personally I feel no one tool brand, nor line, can do it all, and having multiples fits the trades. In other words I have no brand loyalty.

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2018, 01:35 PM »
I'm with Peter C, I buy and try whatever I think will work best for my specific purposes.  I've been doing commercial/industrial glazing, locksmithing, plastic fabrication, and wood butchering for myself for 38 years.  Over the years I've had B&D, Freud, 9 & 14V Makitas, and presently have 12 & 18V Milwaukees, 18V Feins, and now 10.8 and 18V Festools cordless tools.  At present I've weaned myself down to Milwaukee, Fein and Festool.  That being said Makita's 18V chopsaw really had me considering selling my 12" Makita slider.  Bought Milwaukee's 7 1/4" 18V instead for a traveler.  Someday when Festool sorts out their slider, I may go that route for in the shop.

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2018, 07:11 PM »
Makita has one Battery platform, Festool at least three. ( Eg.new batt. Trim Router.)

I mean, they've got a 12V line which is somewhat comparable to what the TXS/CXS do without being compatible with the 18V line, no?

 [not worthy] [not worthy]Yes @nvalinski You are correct.

I was thinking only of their 18V which includes Sanders, Drills and Routers. However my real point is that this should not be a debate of Festool vs Makita as each of their tools offers advantages and disadvantages to the potential customer.
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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2018, 07:39 PM »
Makita has one Battery platform, Festool at least three. ( Eg.new batt. Trim Router.)

I mean, they've got a 12V line which is somewhat comparable to what the TXS/CXS do without being compatible with the 18V line, no?

 [not worthy] [not worthy]Yes @nvalinski You are correct.

I was thinking only of their 18V which includes Sanders, Drills and Routers. However my real point is that this should not be a debate of Festool vs Makita as each of their tools offers advantages and disadvantages to the potential customer.
. I thought there was a separate 18v battery line that doesn’t fit the higher draw tools since it was a 1.5Ah battery size with the Makita Compact Tool sub section?
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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #54 on: April 27, 2018, 08:21 AM »
I thought there was a separate 18v battery line that doesn’t fit the higher draw tools since it was a 1.5Ah battery size with the Makita Compact Tool sub section?

The new "subcompact" 18V line still shares the same 18V batteries, just on a 12V form factor of tool. I don't see any reason why the 1.5Ah batteries wouldn't fit a larger tool, just wouldn't run as long.

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #55 on: April 27, 2018, 09:11 AM »
I thought there was a separate 18v battery line that doesn’t fit the higher draw tools since it was a 1.5Ah battery size with the Makita Compact Tool sub section?

The new "subcompact" 18V line still shares the same 18V batteries, just on a 12V form factor of tool. I don't see any reason why the 1.5Ah batteries wouldn't fit a larger tool, just wouldn't run as long.

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #56 on: April 27, 2018, 09:32 AM »
I thought there was a separate 18v battery line that doesn’t fit the higher draw tools since it was a 1.5Ah battery size with the Makita Compact Tool sub section?

The new "subcompact" 18V line still shares the same 18V batteries, just on a 12V form factor of tool. I don't see any reason why the 1.5Ah batteries wouldn't fit a larger tool, just wouldn't run as long.
. Not the newest subcompact, the previous one. I thought there was a plastic shroud or tab that prevents the 1.5Ah batteries from fitting the tools that use the 3.0 and larger batteries.
If I remember right, my Compact 1.5s from my 1/4” QC 18v impact will not fit my Cordless Saw, my 1/2” impact or my 18v Blower even though they are all 18 volt batteries .
It doesn’t bother me a bit since the Saw alone needs 3.0 or 5.0Ah for long run times..
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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #57 on: April 27, 2018, 10:00 AM »
Was there actually a compact line, or just the previous pre-LXT batteries? I don't know much about the previous generation, but I think it was something to do with the LXT line being able to communicate with the battery, and some tab that made old batteries not forward compatible but new batteries backwards compatible (regardless of size). Could be totally wrong though.

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #58 on: April 27, 2018, 10:21 AM »
I thought there was a separate 18v battery line that doesn’t fit the higher draw tools since it was a 1.5Ah battery size with the Makita Compact Tool sub section?
Makita calls their newer circa 2012 batteries "STAR Protection Computer Controls" and some of their older tools can not be used with newer high amp hour Star protected batteries. This is typically the older brushed tools that are not STAR rated. IE: I have an older Makita grinder that will accept the 3.0Ah batteries (Which are STAR rated) but will not accept the 4.0Ah packs nor the 5.0Ah battery packs.

My guess is that they worry more about over discharging a high amp battery back for warranty and safety issues.

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #59 on: April 27, 2018, 06:25 PM »
I thought there was a separate 18v battery line that doesn’t fit the higher draw tools since it was a 1.5Ah battery size with the Makita Compact Tool sub section?
Makita calls their newer circa 2012 batteries "STAR Protection Computer Controls" and some of their older tools can not be used with newer high amp hour Star protected batteries. This is typically the older brushed tools that are not STAR rated. IE: I have an older Makita grinder that will accept the 3.0Ah batteries (Which are STAR rated) but will not accept the 4.0Ah packs nor the 5.0Ah battery packs.

My guess is that they worry more about over discharging a high amp battery back for warranty and safety issues.
. I bet you’re right. My 18volt impact is probably older than I realize, definitely older than my other Makita 18v tools.
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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #60 on: April 28, 2018, 10:13 PM »
I thought there was a separate 18v battery line that doesn’t fit the higher draw tools since it was a 1.5Ah battery size with the Makita Compact Tool sub section?
Makita calls their newer circa 2012 batteries "STAR Protection Computer Controls" and some of their older tools can not be used with newer high amp hour Star protected batteries. This is typically the older brushed tools that are not STAR rated. IE: I have an older Makita grinder that will accept the 3.0Ah batteries (Which are STAR rated) but will not accept the 4.0Ah packs nor the 5.0Ah battery packs.

My guess . . . . .

Yet another -



Was going to say this on an earlier post, but was not sure that my Makita retail sales experience within Australia would be correct in a NA Sales environment.
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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #61 on: September 24, 2018, 09:12 PM »
I've never used a Makita cordless tool but their track saw looks interesting to me.  But my corded tool is a DeWalt and the tracks are not compatible.  DeWalt had a cordless but I think they've stopped selling and supporting it.

My cordless tools are all Ryobi.  I had a DeWalt drill for awhile but got tired of their battery prices.  I can buy two 4amp hour batteries for $99 if I watch for the 2-3 times a year sale.  I have the 18 gauge nailer, shop vac, air compressor, two drills, impact driver, small circular saw, two lights, reciprocating saw, jigsaw, vibrating saw, right angle drill and yard trimmer plus bush trimmer for the yard.  The saws are definitely not precision tools but the nailer is about as good as any, the shop vac also right up there and so far I really like the cordless compressor.  I have drilled half inch holes in steel and installed locksets in solid doors with my cheap Ryobi drills. 

These comments might not belong on a Festool forum - but I definitely think you do not need to pay Festool prices for cordless tools.  I may "upgrade" to the little Bosch Flex 12V drill for specialized drilling situations plus the ability to use something smaller than my 18V Ryobis.  But I will not be buying any Festool cordless drills.  I am seriously thinking about a domino, have the Festool hand sander that hooks to a vacuum (great for drywall) and the Festool plunge base/depth adjustment attachments for my Fein vibrating tool.  I really like the way Festools work but not the prices. 

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #62 on: September 25, 2018, 05:08 PM »
I am very much in the right tool for the job camp on this one. I have 4 different brand cordless tools with 6 different battery platforms between them - no big deal.  However one of the best features of a standardised platform occurs if you have a one off unusual job which will be easier to complete with a cordless tool you do not possess and then being able to buy a bare tool and using you existing batteries saves a considerable sum of money as often the batteries are a major part of purchasing a cordless tool.
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Offline Job and Knock

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #63 on: January 22, 2019, 07:05 AM »
If to traders turn up in front of me to do the work, one with makita tools and the other with festool, I'll always pick one with festool.
Wow. I guess you have problems getting anyone in to do those dirty jobs like stripping out stud walls and replacing them (Festool recip saw? Hmmm, maybe not) or doing anything which requires the mobility of a cordless planer. I'm far more concerned with the quality of the guy's work than with the tool kit he brings.

In the USA I don't think people consider Makita, Milwaukee, DeWalt to be high end brands.  They are considered quality tools used by people who use tools every day.

I chose a Makita cordless plunge/rail saw over the Festool partly because I already had ten plus Mak batteries. It's more a case of getting the right tool for the job, the one which fits with your kit, than buying purely on label, which is why I went for the P1cc when it came to buying a corded jigsaw..... There are some tools, though, where the only answer is Festool. It's just that it's not everything Festool make

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Offline BrianSometimes

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #64 on: January 22, 2019, 07:39 AM »
However one of the best features of a standardised platform occurs if you have a one off unusual job which will be easier to complete with a cordless tool you do not possess and then being able to buy a bare tool and using you existing batteries saves a considerable sum of money as often the batteries are a major part of purchasing a cordless tool.

I've seen this comment before, and I of course agree with the sentiment, but one of the key differences for me having moved to Festool from Makita is that while Makita very much is a one battery platform, Festool isn't. If you want a CXS, a HKC 55 circular saw and an ETSC 125 sander - all current Festool cordless tools - you'll need three different non-interchangeable types of batteries and two different chargers.

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #65 on: February 04, 2019, 06:06 PM »
After reading all comments I had to check if I was on some kind of makitaownersgroup?...  Pure Marxism!  [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]
This is what i think:
If to traders turn up in front of me to do the work, one with makita tools and the other with festool, I'll always pick one with festool. Festool for me means someone who stive to do the best work, not best deal. Just an opinion :)

Great thread, and I know it’s your opinion but, I couldn’t disagree more, quite honestly.
I have been in the building trade for 40 + years, in that time I have bought a lot of tools especially power tools. I was a long time Makita cordless driver fan, along with Elu for the bigger power tools, like miter saws, routers and flip over saws etc, until they changed the name, and moved production, and changed everything to canary yellow!
Then I stuck completely with Makita, and have done ever since until a while back when the penny dropped about what Festool is really all about.
Festool is like all their tools are a small part in a big jigsaw. The more of the Festool kit you have the better your jigsaw becomes, with each piece/tool making it better all the time, whilst heading for the bigger picture, or jigsaw etc.

When you have all the Festool kit, it’s like the complete artical, all the modular pieces work together to tackle just about anything.

That’s not always the case though, we have a lot of power tools, more than most is pretty accurate but, the majority of my tools are Makita. Although a Makita, and more recently Festool fan, I still buy what I consider to be the best tool for our use, no matter what the brand.

For example, we had some Makita cordless multi tools, they were one of the few Makita tools I’ve ever had issue with. They seemed to be made of cheese? Although the current model is better and I do own one, it’s not a patch on the 18v Fein Supercut.
I bought the Supercut after sampling the early Makita version, it was like night and day, not without issue though, and in spite of the hefty price tag, it went back to Fein twice.
The latest model, (in my opinion) is the best out there, apart from having to buy Starlock Max blades, as nothing else fits.

I own Festool and Makita dust extractors, I love the Festool version but, they were a lot more expensive.
I also have both Domino machines simply because Makita or anybody else, manufactures nothing like them, so it’s literally Festool or nothing where the Domino is concerned.
Our sanders, miter saws, rip saws, reciprocating saws, all of our drills, impact drivers, routers (apart from one) are all Makita, and they are superb!

Plunge saws, I bought myself a Festool TS55, nice machine but I had an itch for the Mafell after hearing great things. So I bought the Mafell, it’s a superb machine, with some nice design features, and is a joy to use, better than the Festool? For me, yes, but not by the margin I expected.

Then recently, we bought the Makita 36v AWS plunge saw along with the 36v AWS extractor. What a combo! The cordless Makita is now my go too plunge saw, not sure if it’s the novelty factor? It just feels very right to me.
Other Festool stuff we have is, the MFT/3 (two of them) and a MW/1000.

I have an array of tools and equipment from various manufacturers, and also a good reputation as a tradesman and craftsman. I would hate to think that my quality of work could be judged by whatever name badge my tools carry?

There is also a saying in the UK, “all the gear and no idea” so, somebody way well own what some consider to be the finest tools, yet do not hold the skills to use them to potential?

Even on this great forum, we have a mixture, professionals, part timers and hobbyists, and of course complete newcomers to woodwork. How about a complete newcomer turns up at your place, with a van load of Festool but, hasn’t a clue what to do with them?

I have learned to let the work do the talking, regardless if who’s tools are used.  ;)
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Offline Romanf345

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Re: Makita vs Festool?
« Reply #66 on: February 05, 2019, 09:41 PM »
In my opinion, yes Fein makes excellent tools....I have tons of them and they are extremely well constructed and work perfectly for me.  Love that their dust extractors are much more reasonable to replaces bags, etc.😁

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Interesting though, In Norway we don't consider either Makita, Metabo or Milwaukee  as a high-end brands.. Festool, Hilti, Mafell are  the brands of choice.


How about Fein?  Do they belong on your short list?
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