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Offline Michel

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Van racking
« on: July 21, 2019, 03:54 AM »
Ive been dreaming of the "perfect" vanracking, for my VW Transporter, for years (ive had several). Ive been spending a lot of time trying to think, plan and make 3d models. Finally, I think ive come up with the perfect solution, for me. Im planing to get a new van in the end of the year or maybe spring 2020, with an extra sidedoor on the left side. I need this for the "perfect" solution. I dont want to drive a Crafter or a Sprinter, as this is my daily driver too, so the space in the back of the van, is tight. Im using my current setup to test as much as I can, so when the new van arrives, im ready :). My goal is, not to crawl into the back of the van to get what I need. the stuff I need to crawl into the van to get, is what I dont use that often.

I do kitchen fitting and carpentry.

 Second, on the right sidedoor, Im planning a heavy duty drawer slide, who will fit an Erika 85 and a Kapex, so I can pull out the drawer, use both the saws without moving them from the drawerslide, and pull it back into the van. The kapex will be mounted on a 27 mm oak tabletop, who also works as a small workbench, if the kapex is moved. The tabletop can be mounted with foldable legs, and the extensions for the Kapex, if I need to take the saw with me. Of course, they are connected to the vacuum on the left side of the van. On top of the kapex and Erika, im planning a "chest of drawers" for all my screws, nails and hardware. Perfectly placed in the middle of the car.

The left sidedoor is for vacuumcleaner, compressor, and a small fridge. On top, another chest of drawers for accessories, abrasives, helmets, personal protection etc.

Left side in the back, is for sysdrawers.

Right side in the back is for powertools such as anglegrinder, circularsaw, sds drill etc and nailguns.

In the back of the car, im planning mounted chargers for my powertools, using industrial velcro, if I need to take the chargers with me. Im spending alot of time unloading tools, chargers etc and I want to eliminate that. Everything in the car is connected to a 230v wire, that need to be connected at the customer.

Ive made a gap of 200 mm (in the 3d model) between the two racks on the left and the right side, so I can still bring at least 10 sheats of 4x8 plywood, plasterboards, mdf, a bunch of 2x4 etc. That is a must for me.

This is a link for my Fusion 360 3d model, which is 80% done. I still need the drawerslide for the Erika+Kapex, and some of the details. https://a360.co/2XILTG3

It seems like alot of stuff, that wont fit in that small van, but ive measured everything, and everything fits. Only thing I need to test, is the drawerslide for the Erika and the Kapex.

Everything is made with 32 mm pinholes for sysdrawers and for shelves. Ive got some small angled pinhole hardware with screws, so the shelves wont move, when the car is on the move.

The whole setup has been made with a tracksaw, router, dominoes and LR32.

Im really pleased with the sysdrawers. They are not cheap, but I really think they are worth every penny, for this setup.

This is my 1 year ongoing project.

Please, if you have ideas, dont hold yourself back :)
« Last Edit: July 21, 2019, 05:48 AM by Michel »
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Re: Van racking
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2019, 08:37 AM »
Great solution on the floor for rail and level storage!
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Re: Van racking
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2019, 10:36 AM »
How do I fix the images ?
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Re: Van racking
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2019, 01:39 PM »
Normally has to be done on the front end before uploading, but maybe one of the mods @SRSemenza or @Peter Halle could step in as well?

How do I fix the images ?
Kapex KS 120 w/UG Cart and Extensions • CXS Set • T18+3 w/Centrotec Installer's Set • PDC 18/4 • TS 75 • TSC 55 • HKC 55 w/250, 420 and 670 FSK rails • Carvex 420 w/Accessory Kit • Domino 500 Set • Domino 700 XL • OF 2200 w/Base Accessory Kit • OF 1400 • OF 1010 • MFK 700 EQ Set • LR 32 • MFS 400 w/2000, 1000, and 700 extensions • Rotex 90 • Rotex 150 • LS 130 • ETS-EC 150/5 • ETS-EC 150/3 • Pro 5 LTD • RTS 400 • RAS 115.04 • RS 2 • HL 850 • Vecturo OS 400 • CT 26 w/BT module • CT Sys w/Long-Life Bag • MFT/3

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Re: Van racking
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2019, 02:31 PM »
Your work looks nice  [big grin]

My preference is for most all of the power tools, etc. to be in tool boxes like Milwaukee's Packout's. Therefore less shelving is needed as they just need to be strapped in, and can be stacked quite high. The Systainer's can also be stored on a cart directly on the floor. Shelving with tools stacked on them is not very space efficient, as shown by the air space left above the tools on the right side of the van. I would venture most of last shelving contents would fit into a single rolling Packout. At which point you could stack 5 more Packout's on top. Space efficiency allows you to carry more tools. L-track installed using lots of Nutserts, with tie downs placed all around would hold the vehicle contents from sliding around. Label all tool boxes on 5 sides so you can quickly find what you need from any angle of viewing.

A ramp off the back would be the way to move said tools around.

I am sure I have a different way of looking at things than the OP, and thankfully we get to live life the way want within boundaries.

The images are oriented how the phone was turned when the photos were taken. The software on FOG does not rotate them to proper orientation. You will need to manually go into the photos before posting them, to make sure they are correctly oriented.

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Re: Van racking
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2019, 02:36 PM »
How do I fix the images ?



The images are oriented how the phone was turned when the photos were taken. The software on FOG does not rotate them to proper orientation. You will need to manually go into the photos before posting them, to make sure they are correctly oriented.


 Hi,

      They are quite large. Resizing frequently solves the rotation as well. The forum software does not like really big pictures. And starts to do what it wants with them.

     I will try to download, fix, and repost them.

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Re: Van racking
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2019, 02:42 PM »
Nope, not working. For some reason I can't get them to download.

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Re: Van racking
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2019, 03:05 PM »
@Michel I usually resize pics to 800x600 pixels prior to uploading.  That's still large enough to capture details, but small enough that the forum software doesn't do anything buggy with them.
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Offline Michel

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Re: Van racking
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2019, 03:06 PM »
Your work looks nice  [big grin]

My preference is for most all of the power tools, etc. to be in tool boxes like Milwaukee's Packout's. Therefore less shelving is needed as they just need to be strapped in, and can be stacked quite high. The Systainer's can also be stored on a cart directly on the floor. Shelving with tools stacked on them is not very space efficient, as shown by the air space left above the tools on the right side of the van. I would venture most of last shelving contents would fit into a single rolling Packout. At which point you could stack 5 more Packout's on top. Space efficiency allows you to carry more tools. L-track installed using lots of Nutserts, with tie downs placed all around would hold the vehicle contents from sliding around. Label all tool boxes on 5 sides so you can quickly find what you need from any angle of viewing.

A ramp off the back would be the way to move said tools around.

I am sure I have a different way of looking at things than the OP, and thankfully we get to live life the way want within boundaries.

The images are oriented how the phone was turned when the photos were taken. The software on FOG does not rotate them to proper orientation. You will need to manually go into the photos before posting them, to make sure they are correctly oriented.

Thanks alot for your answer.

Ive tried having my "go to" tools in systainers, and it just doesnt work for me. My Hilti battery tools and the Makita stuff needs to be on open shelves, so i can grab em quick, and put them back in. Only tools that have accessories, clamps, blades, sandpaper etc with them, I keep in systainers. Thats my kind of logic :) I do so many different tasks, when not doing kitchen fitting. So everyday I need different tools.

As of now, I may need to move the shelves or even put drawer runners on the shelves, so they kan be pulled out.

Im getting quite scared about all those drawer runners, for now it seems like I need to buy 21 sets, and they are about 35 dollars pr set. Second, they weigh quite alot.

But you got me thinking again. I have loads of empty systainers...
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Re: Van racking
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2019, 03:07 PM »
@Michel I usually resize pics to 800x600 pixels prior to uploading.  That's still large enough to capture details, but small enough that the forum software doesn't do anything buggy with them.


I tried that, and thought they were 800x600. I gave up on posting pictures in another post, after trying 10 times.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Van racking
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2019, 04:13 PM »
Ive been dreaming of the "perfect" vanracking, for my VW Transporter, for years (ive had several). Ive been spending a lot of time trying to think, plan and make 3d models. Finally, I think ive come up with the perfect solution, for me. Im planing to get a new van in the end of the year or maybe spring 2020, with an extra sidedoor on the left side. I need this for the "perfect" solution. I dont want to drive a Crafter or a Sprinter, as this is my daily driver too, so the space in the back of the van, is tight. Im using my current setup to test as much as I can, so when the new van arrives, im ready :). My goal is, not to crawl into the back of the van to get what I need. the stuff I need to crawl into the van to get, is what I dont use that often.

I do kitchen fitting and carpentry.

 Second, on the right sidedoor, Im planning a heavy duty drawer slide, who will fit an Erika 85 and a Kapex, so I can pull out the drawer, use both the saws without moving them from the drawerslide, and pull it back into the van. The kapex will be mounted on a 27 mm oak tabletop, who also works as a small workbench, if the kapex is moved. The tabletop can be mounted with foldable legs, and the extensions for the Kapex, if I need to take the saw with me. Of course, they are connected to the vacuum on the left side of the van. On top of the kapex and Erika, im planning a "chest of drawers" for all my screws, nails and hardware. Perfectly placed in the middle of the car.

The left sidedoor is for vacuumcleaner, compressor, and a small fridge. On top, another chest of drawers for accessories, abrasives, helmets, personal protection etc.

Left side in the back, is for sysdrawers.

Right side in the back is for powertools such as anglegrinder, circularsaw, sds drill etc and nailguns.

In the back of the car, im planning mounted chargers for my powertools, using industrial velcro, if I need to take the chargers with me. Im spending alot of time unloading tools, chargers etc and I want to eliminate that. Everything in the car is connected to a 230v wire, that need to be connected at the customer.

Ive made a gap of 200 mm (in the 3d model) between the two racks on the left and the right side, so I can still bring at least 10 sheats of 4x8 plywood, plasterboards, mdf, a bunch of 2x4 etc. That is a must for me.

This is a link for my Fusion 360 3d model, which is 80% done. I still need the drawerslide for the Erika+Kapex, and some of the details. https://a360.co/2XILTG3

It seems like alot of stuff, that wont fit in that small van, but ive measured everything, and everything fits. Only thing I need to test, is the drawerslide for the Erika and the Kapex.

Everything is made with 32 mm pinholes for sysdrawers and for shelves. Ive got some small angled pinhole hardware with screws, so the shelves wont move, when the car is on the move.

The whole setup has been made with a tracksaw, router, dominoes and LR32.

Im really pleased with the sysdrawers. They are not cheap, but I really think they are worth every penny, for this setup.

This is my 1 year ongoing project.

Please, if you have ideas, dont hold yourself back :)










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Re: Van racking
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2019, 12:32 AM »
Thanks cheese :)
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Re: Van racking
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2019, 01:51 AM »
Ive tried to find som sort of locking mechanism, almost like the one on the sysdrawers. If my DIY drawers are mounted on drawerslides, they are gonna open randomly when I drive my car. I would like to have a round or rectancular hole in the front, and put my fingers in, and activate the "lock" mechanism to open the drawer. When I close the drawer, I need them to lock, without activating manually. I cannot find the hardware for that function, maybe some of you guys can help me.
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Re: Van racking
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2019, 03:06 AM »
Ive tried having my "go to" tools in systainers, and it just doesnt work for me. My Hilti battery tools and the Makita stuff needs to be on open shelves, so i can grab em quick, and put them back in. Only tools that have accessories, clamps, blades, sandpaper etc with them, I keep in systainers. Thats my kind of logic :) I do so many different tasks, when not doing kitchen fitting. So everyday I need different tools.
Uh yeah, that is remodeling for you  [tongue] Takes a lot of different tools for sometimes what would appear to be a simple job. Even "just" kitchens takes a lot of tools. For me I have found organization is the single most import key to finding my tools in a timely manner. The fact we need so many tools means packing them into as small of a space as possible means I can bring more with me (Not good for weight).

Im getting quite scared about all those drawer runners, for now it seems like I need to buy 21 sets, and they are about 35 dollars pr set. Second, they weigh quite alot.
$735 would buy you more than a few larger sized tool boxes like Ridgid (Keter brand) or Packout tool boxes. Strap them into the van and you are done. Label all tool boxes, including Systainer's, on 5 sides in BIG lettering so you can spot it from across the room. Colorizing is even better. All my Systainer's have latch colors relating to their uses, IE: sanding.

But you got me thinking again. I have loads of empty systainers...
As much as I like Systainer's for their size and ability to hold my most prized Festool's inside, they are too small for cordless tools, etc. that can take a beating, so putting many tools into a box is no big deal. If you haven't dropped your impact from a ladder yet, you are better than I. All my Makita stuff is in a Ridgid tool box. Same goes for my M18 and M12 stuff.



Slowly I have been switching over to the superior Packout system over the Ridgid boxes. Recently I put all my tiling tools into a tall stack. I can easily roll all tools in one shot, except a saw/snapper.

You could sell any Systainer's here on the FOG very quickly if you aren't using them.

Since you asked for options on latches...these are commonly used for RV's.
https://www.southco.com/en-us/m1-fp/m1-63
« Last Edit: July 22, 2019, 03:10 AM by Peter_C »

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Re: Van racking
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2019, 03:46 AM »
Ive tried having my "go to" tools in systainers, and it just doesnt work for me. My Hilti battery tools and the Makita stuff needs to be on open shelves, so i can grab em quick, and put them back in. Only tools that have accessories, clamps, blades, sandpaper etc with them, I keep in systainers. Thats my kind of logic :) I do so many different tasks, when not doing kitchen fitting. So everyday I need different tools.
Uh yeah, that is remodeling for you  [tongue] Takes a lot of different tools for sometimes what would appear to be a simple job. Even "just" kitchens takes a lot of tools. For me I have found organization is the single most import key to finding my tools in a timely manner. The fact we need so many tools means packing them into as small of a space as possible means I can bring more with me (Not good for weight).

junk, maybe I need to do the whole thing over again :)

Thanks alot for the latches, EXACTLY what I needed!!
Im getting quite scared about all those drawer runners, for now it seems like I need to buy 21 sets, and they are about 35 dollars pr set. Second, they weigh quite alot.
$735 would buy you more than a few larger sized tool boxes like Ridgid (Keter brand) or Packout tool boxes. Strap them into the van and you are done. Label all tool boxes, including Systainer's, on 5 sides in BIG lettering so you can spot it from across the room. Colorizing is even better. All my Systainer's have latch colors relating to their uses, IE: sanding.

But you got me thinking again. I have loads of empty systainers...
As much as I like Systainer's for their size and ability to hold my most prized Festool's inside, they are too small for cordless tools, etc. that can take a beating, so putting many tools into a box is no big deal. If you haven't dropped your impact from a ladder yet, you are better than I. All my Makita stuff is in a Ridgid tool box. Same goes for my M18 and M12 stuff.

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Slowly I have been switching over to the superior Packout system over the Ridgid boxes. Recently I put all my tiling tools into a tall stack. I can easily roll all tools in one shot, except a saw/snapper.

You could sell any Systainer's here on the FOG very quickly if you aren't using them.

Since you asked for options on latches...these are commonly used for RV's.
https://www.southco.com/en-us/m1-fp/m1-63

Danish carpenter and cabinetmaker, just me and my padawan :)

http://www.lyrk.dk

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Re: Van racking
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2019, 09:56 AM »
Colorizing is even better. All my Systainer's have latch colors relating to their uses, IE: sanding.

I also use colored Systainer latches. Easy to pick out from a distance, easy to pick out in a stack of Systainers.

Black latches = anything Domino related, DF 500, DF 700, Woodpeckers offset base, TSO BigFoot & Dominos
White latches = anything router related, OF 1010, MFK 700, OF 1400 & MicroFence items
Red latches = anything 125 mm sander related, Rotex, ETS EC, Pro 5, ETSC & sanding discs
Green latches = anything delta sander related, Rotex 90, DX 93 & sanding discs

So even in a stack of white colored T-LOC's, if you know what size Systainer the tool is in, it's still easy to find. The 1400 originally comes in a SYS 4, the MFK in a SYS 2, the MicroFence items I placed in a SYS 1 and finally, I placed the 1010 in a SYS-Combi 3 to hold MFS accessories, router bits & 1010 accessories.



« Last Edit: July 22, 2019, 10:00 AM by Cheese »

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Re: Van racking
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2019, 12:56 PM »
Very nice, Mr Cheese.
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Re: Van racking
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2019, 02:25 PM »
That’s not bad at all, in the UK it’s popular if the van has a side door to use it as a power tool cabinet.
Box it out like a cabinet with only outside access, and fit some armorshell or similar locks.
Bigger power tools like table saws etc, can go inside the van as normal, makes loading and unloading much easier, as you’re not getting on and off the van each time.
Just an observation, your mitre saw stand and sack barrow, would be more space saving, and secure if they were stood upright, and held with ratchets straps.
We do that with small step ladders, mitre stands etc, make  a location point, so the mitre stand fits in snug, then strap it, it will never move and you can re claim floor space.