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Offline Richard/RMW

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SendCutSend
« on: October 08, 2022, 09:08 AM »
At the risk of sounding like a commercial for the company, I thought I'd post some info on how easy it is to design and buy custom metal from SendCutSend. The usual caveats, no affiliation/compensation/etc., just a satisfied customer. All you need is a free license to Fusion 360 and a little time on YouTube.

This AM I decided I need some brackets to hold hand clamps on French cleats. For the typical Festool clamps, they need to be 32mm wide and 140mm long to hold 4 clamps. The F360 design looks like this:



< 8 minutes on YT:



There are some subtleties, like finding the K value of the material you choose and inputting it into Fusion, but it's not too difficult. The design (my second experience doing this) took < 20 minutes, including watching the video to remind myself how to do it.

From there, the DXF file is loaded into SCS website, and you go through a progression of choosing the material, adding bends, finishing (didn't need any), & along the way you see live pricing. <15 minutes total to configure options.

Material:



Bending:



Price:



These will land on my front porch in ~10 days. The biggest challenge is working through the material thickness and impact this has on bends in the design; it's not rocket science but does have a material impact on the final product. Also, SCS limits bends to 130 degrees, a FC is 135 degrees, but I figured I could whack the last 5 degrees into it by hand.

A couple of weeks ago I did bent sheet metal this way for the first time. These are in the shop waiting for me to haul out the TIG welder and add 1/4" stainless rod to them (the long one is a homemade version from steel).



Anyway, I hope this is of interest.

RMW




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Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2022, 05:58 PM »
And done.







Repatriated some small clamps that had been evicted due to space constraints.

Another experiment in FC brackets being cut by SCS now, should be here next week.

RMW

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Offline tsmi243

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2022, 06:36 PM »
I think "Learn Fusion360" just moved to the top of my todo list.  That's awesome

Any tips for getting started?

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2022, 07:10 PM »
I think "Learn Fusion360" just moved to the top of my todo list.  That's awesome

Any tips for getting started?

Just the usual "watch YT videos", Lars Christensen, Tyler Beck and the Fusion Fundamentals guy. It's really frustrating until you figure out the necessary sequence of creating components, fully defining sketches and so forth. If you've got patience the learning curve isn't terribly steep.

The up side is you can do general design work, and the same skills work for CNC routers, 3D printing and vendors like SCS.

Have fun.

RMW
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Offline deepcreek

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2022, 12:00 AM »
I just discovered SendCutSend a few weeks ago and have already placed two orders.

So far, my pieces have been flat stock (no bends) in 1/4"  HRPO steel and 1/8" 304 Stainless.

I did the design work in CorelDraw X7 and saved to DXF format.

Super easy to order.  Very fast.  Great prices.  Highly recommend.




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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2022, 12:35 AM »
Very cool.  Thanks for this thread, love learning about these kinds of things.

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2022, 09:14 AM »
Latest experiment, worked perfectly. The design from F360:



End result:





The shelf can be flipped 180 to either sit above or below the cleat.



Zero-fluted the screw holes:



These were designed for a 200mm shelf. Next round I'll probably make 300mm, then I can trim them to other lengths if needed.







I'm not totally sure it needs the bent tab, there is enough rigidity to redesign this with just a flat 45-degree feature, which should decrease the cost to around $5-6 bucks each in 10+ quantity & eliminate the need for right/left hand parts.

RMW

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Offline Sparktrician

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2022, 09:30 AM »
Clever, Richard!!!   [thumbs up] 
- Willy -

  "Show us a man who never makes a mistake and we will show a man who never makes anything. 
  The capacity for occasional blundering is inseparable from the capacity to bring things to pass."

 - Herman Lincoln Wayland (1830-1898)

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2022, 09:40 AM »
Thanks Willy.

Spent 10 minutes whacking out a new design, 300mm cleat.



I'm going to refine this a little and order a batch. I may also put together a simple generic cleat tab that can be screwed onto boxes or whatever to turn them into FC fixtures.

Happy to share the file if anyone else wants to use it.

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Offline Bob D.

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2022, 09:45 AM »
Nice looking brackets Richard. You're getting pretty good with Fusion360.

Your FC tab that can be added to any box is also a great idea.

SCS is proving to be an arrow worth having in your quiver.
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Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2022, 09:48 AM »
Nice looking brackets Richard. You're getting pretty good with Fusion360.

Your FC tab that can be added to any box is also a great idea.

SCS is proving to be an arrow worth having in your quiver.

Thanks Bob. They really have made this easy and approachable. After seeing @deepcreek designs it's got me thinking about how I can incorporate laser cut parts into some household storage projects that need doing.

RMW
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Offline Cheese

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2022, 10:07 AM »
Now that's really slick Richard...I like that it takes so little effort to change any flat item into something that becomes "hangeable".

Question, material & thickness?

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2022, 10:31 AM »
Now that's really slick Richard...I like that it takes so little effort to change any flat item into something that becomes "hangeable".

Question, material & thickness?

@Cheese .74 mild steel. About half the cost of stainless.

I gave them a coat of lacquer.

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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2022, 11:42 AM »
Makes a really slick looking shelf!

Did you also sand or anything before the lacquer?

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2022, 12:03 PM »
Makes a really slick looking shelf!

Did you also sand or anything before the lacquer?

Thanks, I like it.

I just cleaned up a very slight burr on the edges with a die grinder and woven disk, but truthfully I could have skipped that. The steel was so clean I had to recheck the order because I thought I might have spec'ed stainless.

RMW
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Offline Cheese

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2022, 01:03 PM »
The steel was so clean I had to recheck the order because I thought I might have spec'ed stainless.

Richard, that's the reason I was asking about the material because it was so clean, it looked like SST to me. It has that stainless sheen. [smile]

However that steel doesn't look like it's .74" thick... [poke]...more like 12 gauge?

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2022, 02:18 PM »
The steel was so clean I had to recheck the order because I thought I might have spec'ed stainless.

Richard, that's the reason I was asking about the material because it was so clean, it looked like SST to me. It has that stainless sheen. [smile]

However that steel doesn't look like it's .74" thick... [poke]...more like 12 gauge?

What kinda buddy makes a guy Google 12ga to learn it's..... not 0.74" thick?  [scratch chin]

RMW
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2022, 03:15 PM »
Chart at onlinemetals.com says 14 gauge carbon steel is .075” thick.

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2022, 03:35 PM »
Ahhh... Point zero 74 inches, now I get it.  [doh]

Takes me a while sometimes. 

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Offline Cheese

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2022, 04:06 PM »
Ahhh... Point zero 74 inches, now I get it.  [doh]

Takes me a while sometimes. 

RMW

That silly little zero…  [tongue]

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2022, 04:21 PM »
Ahhh... Point zero 74 inches, now I get it.  [doh]

Takes me a while sometimes. 

RMW

That silly little zero…  [tongue]

Trips me up at least weekly.

Being on a roll, I ordered the flat cleats for 300mm shelves and also a 1mm (avoiding that friggin' zero) thick generic FC box clip. I'm at the point of getting all my random glue bottles and stuff up off the worksurfaces so they should speed that up.

I like how these shelves nest together side-by-side, so I'm going to convert some of my office shelves that now have plywood FC standards to the latest design.





The holes in this design are spaced so I can trim them to fit 100mm & 200mm depth shelves.



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Offline ryanjg117

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2022, 06:25 PM »
I've had similarly good results with SCS (OshCut is also pretty comparable and sometimes cheaper). Good complement to TIG welding too, if you're interested in getting into another hobby. :)

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I'm looking to move my clamp rack from a roving unit to the wall. Love the simple brackets - any chance you share out the STEP files?

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2022, 09:20 PM »
Latest iteration of the shelf cleats arrived. I was in error on the last ones, they were actually ~0.10" thick, these are 0.74.... eeerr 0.074"  [poke] @Cheese

Anyway, other than needing to trim a touch off the tips to get them to fit over the cleats (design error) everything worked great, same process to countersink the holes, clean up the steel, quick shot of lacquer and a few screws.







The little pin cleats (still waiting to be welded) will fit underneath. Overall shelf depth is 300mm, the holes are spaced to trim them down to 100/200.



For giggles, here's the iterations I've gone thru over the years.



The little cleat plates are meant to be screwed to boxes or whatever needs to be hung instead of having to route out the material.



I was a little unsure of the shelf standard's strength with the thinner steel. Most of the plate is is 1" thick, the nut is 2-3/4", at a guess maybe 50-60# total.



Good enough for me.

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Offline Cheese

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2022, 10:37 AM »
Latest iteration of the shelf cleats arrived. I was in error on the last ones, they were actually ~0.10" thick, these are 0.74.... eeerr 0.074"  [poke] @Cheese

Anyway, other than needing to trim a touch off the tips to get them to fit over the cleats (design error) everything worked great, same process to countersink the holes, clean up the steel, quick shot of lacquer and a few screws.

Nice Richard, I'm a real fan on how much time you've eliminated on this cleat project. Going from hours using a band saw to minutes screwing in 8 screws.

In the 5th photo down, what are those 4 recesses for, Systainer feet?

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2022, 02:58 PM »
Latest iteration of the shelf cleats arrived. I was in error on the last ones, they were actually ~0.10" thick, these are 0.74.... eeerr 0.074"  [poke] @Cheese

Anyway, other than needing to trim a touch off the tips to get them to fit over the cleats (design error) everything worked great, same process to countersink the holes, clean up the steel, quick shot of lacquer and a few screws.

Nice Richard, I'm a real fan on how much time you've eliminated on this cleat project. Going from hours using a band saw to minutes screwing in 8 screws.

In the 5th photo down, what are those 4 recesses for, Systainer feet?

Thanks. Yes, I'm burning thru all the recycled ($90/sheet) ply I ended up with when I disassembled that mega SYS/MFT cart. There were 9-10 pull out shelves ~410 by 700mm, I think I'm down to the last couple pieces.

I'll probably fill the voids with bondo next time I mix some up, for now I'm just ignoring them.

RMW
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2022, 04:49 PM »
Is that birch ply on your shop walls?

Offline neilc

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2022, 05:07 PM »
Very cool idea!  I have not used French cleats but this might be motivation to try some due to the minimalist approach of your design. 

Thanks for sharing!

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2022, 06:42 PM »
Is that birch ply on your shop walls?

Nope, ~5mm underlayment. I used to call it luan, not sure if that's an accurate name though. Home Depot junk because I don't like the look of OSB and didn't want the hassle of drywall, and it was cheap.

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Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: SendCutSend
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2022, 06:44 PM »
Very cool idea!  I have not used French cleats but this might be motivation to try some due to the minimalist approach of your design. 

Thanks for sharing!

Thanks @neilc

The cleats have worked really well. If I got a do over I'd probably change the height dimension and spacing but I'd definitely use them again.

RMW
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