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Offline DynaGlide

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Roubo'ish bench
« on: June 27, 2022, 02:31 PM »
I've been putzing on this for the past 8 weeks or so between work and family obligations. No real rush to finish it although I'd like to have the base frame done in July when I have some time to myself. We'll see how that goes. I don't know why but I got the bug to make a real workbench a few months ago. I guess the seed was planted a few years back when I got my first hand plane.

It's Roubo'ish because I can't fit a full size Roubo into my workshop. The frame however is closely following The Wood Whisperer Roubo bench plans that way if somewhere down the road I decide I really do want that full size bench and tail vise I can make a new top for the existing frame. That would require a new workshop space, though. For now it will receive the Benchcrafted Leg vise, maybe a planing stop, maybe a vise on the end. Haven't made those decisions yet as I've been focusing primarily on working on the frame. I just wrapped up final dimensioning of the legs. The rails are rough dimensioned and I'll deal with those after I do all the mortising on the legs. I need to look around for material for a leg chop next, pretty sure the local dealers carry 12/4 which would save me from laminating boards together.















No real snags yet. I talked myself into an 8" jointer after starting the project and glad I did. There's just so many trips back and forth with the planer and jointer on something like this that I'd be miserable if I tried scheduling time to use my neighbors little 6" every time I needed it. Now I find myself scouring the classifieds for a bandsaw, it just never ends.

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Offline Joelm

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2022, 03:10 PM »
That looks like a great start. I'll definitely be following your progress as I'm going to do something similar this fall.

What size will your top be? What wood did you decide to use?

I decided to pick up the vises for my bench before I start. I went for HNT tail vise because it was so compact and their no racking face vise. They haven't shown up yet but I can wait.

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2022, 03:43 PM »
That looks like a great start. I'll definitely be following your progress as I'm going to do something similar this fall.

What size will your top be? What wood did you decide to use?

I decided to pick up the vises for my bench before I start. I went for HNT tail vise because it was so compact and their no racking face vise. They haven't shown up yet but I can wait.

The top will be 24" wide, standard split top size. The length is probably going to end up in the 60-72" range. The Roubo is 87" long according to Benchcrafted/TWW plans. I'd be stretching it to get the 72" long. Anything bigger and I'd have to give up a space I use to store stationary tools like my planer in the shop so that's a no go. And I don't really want to tackle making that top it's very involved.

I'm using hard maple because it's what I could get easily at a fair price. I haven't bought the lumber for the top yet. Marc used cherry for his most recent Hybrid workbench which sounds silly on its face until you consider its hardness is similar to soft maple, another often used material for workbenches. I wouldn't have had any issue using soft maple either, it's just they had the right sizes of boards in hard maple when I went looking.

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2022, 08:45 AM »
I'm looking forward to this project's conclusion!   [smile]
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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2022, 05:52 PM »
Looks like a great start. I'll be looking out for progress reports.
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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2022, 09:08 PM »

The top will be 24" wide, standard split top size. The length is probably going to end up in the 60-72" range. The Roubo is 87" long according to Benchcrafted/TWW plans. I'd be stretching it to get the 72" long. Anything bigger and I'd have to give up a space I use to store stationary tools like my planer in the shop so that's a no go. And I don't really want to tackle making that top it's very involved.

I'm using hard maple because it's what I could get easily at a fair price. I haven't bought the lumber for the top yet. Marc used cherry for his most recent Hybrid workbench which sounds silly on its face until you consider its hardness is similar to soft maple, another often used material for workbenches. I wouldn't have had any issue using soft maple either, it's just they had the right sizes of boards in hard maple when I went looking.

The larger the bench the more stuff commonly known as junk seems to accumulate on it. I cut mine down several times before reaching a size that discouraged leaving anything on it as I needed all the space to work. I have knock down assembly table which I use when it is needed for larger projects.

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2022, 09:24 AM »
That looks like a great start. I'll definitely be following your progress as I'm going to do something similar this fall.

What size will your top be? What wood did you decide to use?

I decided to pick up the vises for my bench before I start. I went for HNT tail vise because it was so compact and their no racking face vise. They haven't shown up yet but I can wait.

The top will be 24" wide, standard split top size. The length is probably going to end up in the 60-72" range. The Roubo is 87" long according to Benchcrafted/TWW plans. I'd be stretching it to get the 72" long. Anything bigger and I'd have to give up a space I use to store stationary tools like my planer in the shop so that's a no go. And I don't really want to tackle making that top it's very involved.

I'm using hard maple because it's what I could get easily at a fair price. I haven't bought the lumber for the top yet. Marc used cherry for his most recent Hybrid workbench which sounds silly on its face until you consider its hardness is similar to soft maple, another often used material for workbenches. I wouldn't have had any issue using soft maple either, it's just they had the right sizes of boards in hard maple when I went looking.

You do not say whether you will use your bench for hand- or power tools?  If hand tools, I can give you a number of ideas to add to your bench.

The width of mine is 22" wide and 75" long. The top is 3 1/2" thick European Oak and the base is Jarrah.

This is as long as I could fit in my workshop. The width is that recommended for Roubos to be used for handtools, as I do. Unless you have arms like a gorilla, a narrower bench is easier to work across.

I later added a cabinet for tools. There is clearance above it for hold downs.

The leg vise has a wooden screw (with chain drive), and the tail vise comes from Benchcrafted.



Regards from Perth

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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2022, 10:01 AM »
@derekcohen Beautiful bench you have there.

As it stands I'm 95% power tool but hoping to change that. I do happen to have some gorilla arms so I'm not worried about the depth.

I already have the Benchcrafted leg vise hardware which I will be using. Due to my inexperience with hand tools and not owning a bandsaw or even a real size table saw, I'm avoiding doing the tail vise like you have. I think I would be perfectly content with a screw vise with prairie dogs for clamping longer boards.

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Offline hdv

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2022, 11:04 AM »
@DynaGlide : Sorry to jump in with a somewhat off topic question. I hope you don't mind.

@derekcohen : If I am not mistaken I see Veritas hold-downs besides the more traditional Gramercy's (which I absolutely love). What are your feelings about those? I have been thinking of getting a pair of them myself, but haven't found many reviews by people who have actually used them. If you could share your thoughts on them, that would be much appreciated.

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2022, 12:50 PM »
In my Google research I came across this Hovarter Wagon Vise:





I like that it is a simple install, no crazy joinery required, and in use it appears you just slide the dog block up to the work and engage the handle about a quarter turn. All pluses in my book.

I dipped out at lunch and found this 12/4 Cherry to use for the Benchcrafted leg chop:



I think it will give a nice contrast against the maple bench.
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Offline derekcohen

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2022, 01:01 PM »
@DynaGlide : Sorry to jump in with a somewhat off topic question. I hope you don't mind.

@derekcohen : If I am not mistaken I see Veritas hold-downs besides the more traditional Gramercy's (which I absolutely love). What are your feelings about those? I have been thinking of getting a pair of them myself, but haven't found many reviews by people who have actually used them. If you could share your thoughts on them, that would be much appreciated.

Yes, two Gramercy and three Veritas hold downs.

They are slightly different in their applications (for me). Both are really excellent.

The Gramercy are compact, that is, have a low profile and shorter throw. The only downside is that they need to be loosened with a tap to the rear, and need clearance for this … my bench can get busy!

Some find the Gramercy can come loose in their dog hole, but I have never experienced this. I suspect it is more likely to occur with benches 4” thick and greater. I made a video of how well they hold ….



The Veritas has a longer throw, and this is important when a longer reach is needed. The screw clamp is also easy to set and release, and does not require any rear clearance. As with the Gramercy, I have never had one slip or loosen on its own.

The only downside of the Veritas, compared with the Gramercy, is the cost. These are quality products but are about three times the other. Why three? I was fortunate that Rob Lee, who is a good friend, made a gift of one. Then some years later I purchased two more from a woodworker selling up his tools.

Regards from Perth

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Offline hdv

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2022, 01:25 PM »
Thanks for sharing your experiences.

I never had a Gramercy come loose myself in my Sjögrens workbench. But I did experience some marring. However, that might have been user error (this user, that is...  [embarassed]). Since then I've made some thin wooden strips with a leather hoop to use between the holdfast and the workpiece (an idea I took from a German woodworker called Heiko Rech) and that really did help.

The "tapping from behind to loosen" was exactly why I was wondering if I should get a pair. Often my workbench has to be against the wall due to space constraints and then it can be a lot handier to be able to loosen the holdfast from above. I hadn't realised they had a greater reach. That can be quite useful.

I noticed their price. Yeah, that hurts a bit. But up to now all the Veritas gear I ever bought was of great quality and built to last longer than I will. That makes it easier to swallow. I am more of a "cry once" guy anyway.

The post seems to have the same "aggressive" barbs as the posts for the toggle clamp plates do (I expect them to be the same). Did you notice any detrimental effect on the dog holes in your bench because of that?

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2022, 05:12 PM »








I took care of all the leg mortises.  I clamped start and stop blocks to each leg to control where the edge guide started and stopped for each pass. Each mortise took 8 plunges/passes to hit 2" deep then I had to re-set the edge guide and do another 8 passes to hit the right width and depth. That was extremely tedious and time consuming.

I'll probably finish up dimensioning the chop before moving onto fitting the benchcrafted leg vise hardware.
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Offline festal

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2022, 07:55 AM »
Looking good


question about holdfasts.  Can holdfasts work in larder diameter dog holes then 3/4"? My bench is 30mm dog holes and I can't seem to find larger diameter holdfasts

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2022, 10:10 AM »
Looking good


question about holdfasts.  Can holdfasts work in larder diameter dog holes then 3/4"? My bench is 30mm dog holes and I can't seem to find larger diameter holdfasts

Maybe you could sleeve your 30mm dog holes so you could use a smaller diameter holdfast. A 30mm tube with 5mm wall thickness with a 20mm flat washer tack welded to one end to keep it from slipping down in the hole.

Or possibly find a sleeve bushing of the required size. I didn't find one doing a quick search but I only looked at McMaster's site.

https://www.mcmaster.com/5448T552/
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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2022, 12:19 PM »


















I'm having fun with this build. Prior to starting this I had never:

1) Bought rough lumber
2) Jointed or planed anything
3) Cut a real mortise (and soon to be tenons)

I'm using a healthy amount of stop blocks clamped to my table and to the parts I'm routing to keep the setup as repeatable as possible for all the passes I'm making. When it came time to do the chiseling portions I went slow. Luckily I sharpened the chisel I'm using a year back nicely and haven't used it since doing so.

With the leg done I'll go do the chop mortise next for the Benchcrafted Criss Cross and Glide Retro hardware.

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2022, 01:30 PM »
@DynaGlide apologies for hijacking the thread. 
Looks great.  I'm starting a build where i'll be doing all 3 for the first time as well


Thank you all
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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2022, 03:16 PM »
"The last one refers to Bessey adapters for 30 mm holes."

There ya go, I didn't realize someone had an adapter
out there already. I should have known better.  [unsure]
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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2022, 08:13 AM »
The top will be 24" wide, standard split top size. The length is probably going to end up in the 60-72" range. The Roubo is 87" long according to Benchcrafted/TWW plans. I'd be stretching it to get the 72" long. .

One good thing about making it a little smaller is that you may actually be ably to move it, when you need to.  All that maple ain't going to be light.

My workbenches fortunately have enough height between the floor and the bottom beam, that I can slide my pump jack under it to lift it a bit, then slide a set of dollies under it.

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2022, 08:17 AM »
The top will be 24" wide, standard split top size. The length is probably going to end up in the 60-72" range. The Roubo is 87" long according to Benchcrafted/TWW plans. I'd be stretching it to get the 72" long. .

One good thing about making it a little smaller is that you may actually be ably to move it, when you need to.  All that maple ain't going to be light.

My workbenches fortunately have enough height between the floor and the bottom beam, that I can slide my pump jack under it to lift it a bit, then slide a set of dollies under it.

I was planning on a set of Rockler workbench casters. They remove when not needed leaving just the bracket behind.
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« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2022, 09:44 AM »
The top will be 24" wide, standard split top size. The length is probably going to end up in the 60-72" range. The Roubo is 87" long according to Benchcrafted/TWW plans. I'd be stretching it to get the 72" long. .

One good thing about making it a little smaller is that you may actually be ably to move it, when you need to.  All that maple ain't going to be light.

My workbenches fortunately have enough height between the floor and the bottom beam, that I can slide my pump jack under it to lift it a bit, then slide a set of dollies under it.

I was planning on a set of Rockler workbench casters. They remove when not needed leaving just the bracket behind.

I just installed Powertec version on my bench. Excellent idea

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2022, 11:03 AM »


















https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-q5pCGLk/0/7a91bc68/1280/i-q5pCGLk-1280.mp4

I'm having way too much fun with this. I was pretty nervous about drilling out for the giant acme screw. I bought that WEN benchtop drill press to do it and it was a little sketchy but coming at it from both sides got it done. The rest of the install took some fiddling, careful drilling and tapping and measuring and wiggling but it all came together nicely. I may be putting a pin in this for a while before tackling the tenons on the rails and tops of the legs.

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2022, 12:59 PM »
Great progress, Matt!  Thanks for the detailed photos.

Have you considered Andrew's vise?  https://www.in-kleind.com/store/Twin-Turbo-Vise-c34750217

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« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2022, 09:56 AM »
Great progress, Matt!  Thanks for the detailed photos.

Have you considered Andrew's vise?  https://www.in-kleind.com/store/Twin-Turbo-Vise-c34750217

Thank you Neil! As much as I'd like a twin screw vise I think the consideration for me is going to be of space. I have decided to go with the Benchcrafted tail vise. I'll have to make some changes to the top and possibly the distance between the legs to fit it in but I should be able to get a 72" or so long bench this way. I use my Festool clamping elements all the time and the thought of having a moving dog block integrated into the bench that does a better job at work holding is enticing.

When I started on this bench build I talked myself out of doing the wagon/tail vise because it seemed like too much work and outside of my skill range. I've built up the courage to tackle it and do the condor tails. If it comes down to it I can phone a friend for help when it comes to that part of the install.

Between vacation and hitting some snags I've been on a holding pattern but slowly starting to get back to it:



I made a sub fence for the Incra miter to reduce tearout while doing the tenons:



And discovered my table saw blade height drops in use. There's no adjustments to tighten it up so I resorted to using a clamp on the hand wheel which worked fine:



I left the tenons oversized for now in all dimensions. I ordered a router plane to trim them to fit and will do so for each mortise and label accordingly.



The other thing slowing this down is wood is expensive as heck. I had sold some tools off recently to start a bandsaw fund but I think instead I'm going to have to use that money to get the tail vise and wood for the top or else this isn't getting finished until next year.

Matt
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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2022, 10:44 AM »
Sorry if I misread your post, or just misunderstand it. A router plane can be used for mortices and grooves. For tenons, a shoulder plane would be better. Of course, you could make a jig/fence to support the overhanging part of the router plane when planing tenons, but even then I would prefer a shoulder plane for such tasks. In my experience sneaking up to a good fit is a lot easier to do by planing the tenons.
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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2022, 04:22 PM »
Sorry if I misread your post, or just misunderstand it. A router plane can be used for mortices and grooves. For tenons, a shoulder plane would be better. Of course, you could make a jig/fence to support the overhanging part of the router plane when planing tenons, but even then I would prefer a shoulder plane for such tasks. In my experience sneaking up to a good fit is a lot easier to do by planing the tenons.

Router plane for cheeks, not shoulders.  Works great.

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2022, 09:33 AM »
Paul Sellers video turned me onto the router plane for tenon cheeks. Lie Nielsen has a nice one too. Yesterday I purchased the mortise and tenon video by David Charlesworth and he probably demonstrates it better than anyone using a dial caliper to perfectly come up to the fit he wants.

While I'm not as good as any of those people I am liking how precise the trimming is:

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« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2022, 03:09 PM »


This is going a lot slower than I planned but that's okay. No rush and other things come first. First rail is fit. Part of the delay is figuring out what techniques work best for me. So far it's table saw to get tenon oversized, router plane to fit the cheeks, then chisel to round over the corners and trim up any problem areas. I added a leather strop to my sharpening routine and that has made doing the fine paring much easier.

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2022, 01:59 PM »
Base is coming along slowly but surely. This is a marathon for me not a sprint. I have a decision to make that's keeping me from moving foward: 20mm or 3/4" holes? I have to do the front right leg (and later the tops) with whatever I pick.

Naturally I have a lot of 20mm Festool stuff but zero experience with holdfasts. It seems the overwhelming majority of traditional bench hardware is 3/4".

Thanks for any and all opinions on this,
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« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2022, 02:29 PM »
Matt, my gut is that there's not a lot of use case overlap with 20mm dogs on this type of bench. The thicker bench precludes using the clamps, and I think longer dogs are more functional in a thick bench than the relatively short MFT style dogs.

Do you have an interest in adding holdfasts to your arsenal? If yes, I think you may be limited to 3/4".

Andy Klein has some interesting takes on dogs for thicker benches in case you are not familiar with them.

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« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2022, 02:35 PM »
Matt, my gut is that there's not a lot of use case overlap with 20mm dogs on this type of bench. The thicker bench precludes using the clamps, and I think longer dogs are more functional in a thick bench than the relatively short MFT style dogs.

Do you have an interest in adding holdfasts to your arsenal? If yes, I think you may be limited to 3/4".

Andy Klein has some interesting takes on dogs for thicker benches in case you are not familiar with them.

RMW

That's kind of where I'm headed as well Richard. I don't foresee using traditional Festool stuff on this sort of bench. The holes are really only there for holdfasts, which seem better suited with 3/4".
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« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2022, 05:54 PM »
Yeah, I do agree: go for 3/4" in a real bench with a substantial top.

As a matter of fact I have standardised my complete shop to 3/4" holes. I used to have some 20 mm stuff, but I ditched it. I have some worktops with holes in them (not a full grit), but I opted to make those in 3/4" too. I bought a Famag brad point and Forstner just for that. I never missed the 20 mm holes since doing that. No more messing around with 2 different dog hole systems. But that is purely a personal and subjective opinion. It definitely is not based on some objectively determined advantage.

TBH, there is one exception: I have a few 20 mm holes for the TSO triangle, because I really didn't want to ditch that wonderful tool. However, I might not be representative, because I own a slider and therefore do not use an MFT-like top for cutting. When I use the guide rail for cutting I use the TSO PGS and/or GRS and I don't need dog holes for that.

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« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2022, 07:26 AM »
@hdv Thanks for the real world experience with the 3/4 holes. I went ahead and ordered a Wood Owl Overdrive bit to make them. It should get here sometime today thanks to the magic of Amazon.
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« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2022, 08:02 AM »
That is looking great!

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« Reply #37 on: August 12, 2022, 07:29 AM »
Looking really good

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« Reply #38 on: August 12, 2022, 10:16 AM »
Nice and sturdy!

I am reading the Anarchist's Workbench at the moment and you are dangerously close to getting me to build a new workbench for myself.   [scared]   [tongue]

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #39 on: August 12, 2022, 11:36 AM »
Thanks guys. It's been an experience that's for sure.

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #40 on: August 12, 2022, 04:27 PM »
Fit and finish on those legs is approaching Museum quality!  Nice work!

Here's an alternative for you.  Rather than holdfasts, check out Jorgensen's hold down clamps.  I have four of them on my traditional bench and also use them on my MFT and other shop tables.  They work great and will hold just about anything TIGHT to the bench.

https://www.amazon.com/1623-HOLD-DOWN-CLAMP-3-Inch/dp/B0000DD1RD

I contacted Jorgensen and ordered additional bolts that drop into countersinks in my bench.  That gave me more clamping locations.  They ship with a cotter pin to allow them to more permanently stay in place connected to the bolts.

On the MFT, it's easy to get bolts, wing nuts and fender washers and just stick them through the holes, slide the clamp over them and tighten the wing nut underneath to secure the clamp for repeat work.

Personally, since you are invested in FT, I'd go with 20mm holes if you think you need them on the new bench.  Mine has traditional bench dogs from when I made it 35 years ago!
« Last Edit: August 12, 2022, 04:34 PM by neilc »

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #41 on: August 13, 2022, 05:14 AM »
I just might. But first I have to wait for my new workshop to be built. I hope to have a shop of 55m2 in a few months time. If the permit comes through, that is.

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #42 on: August 13, 2022, 07:28 AM »
Hi Matt, I thought you might be interested in this.

These are all my options for clamping on the workbench (barring various vices) . All are on a 3/4" post. Even the cookie.

I am still waiting for a delivery from Germany for a dowel maker, so I can make my own 19 mm or 3/4" dowels. I am planning to use either some hardwood or maybe UHMWPE for that. I'll have to experiment which works better. The PE will need to be roughened, because otherwise it will be too smooth. But the material might be better suited to this type of use. Or not. I don't know yet. We'll see...  [unsure]

I also do have a systainer with 3/4" dogs from Woodpeckers I got for my birthday from my wife. But those are just dogs, so not need to make a photograph of those, I think.

This one is in use, so I couldn't make a picture of it, but I do like that mounting post quite a lot:

https://www.dictum.com/en/accessories-and-clamping-devices-baoe/dictum-mounting-post-ssp-for-hold-down-clamp-728990?c=2957

There's also a very nice planing stop from Veritas, but I have lent it to a friend, so no picture of that either.

By the way, the posts from the Veritas saddles are removable and quite cheap. So that is a very good option when you want to make your own jigs with a 3/4" post.

Klemsia has some nice wooden clamps for 3/4" holes as well.

Hope this gives you some ideas.



Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #43 on: August 26, 2022, 08:14 AM »
Thanks @neilc and @hdv for the ideas. I've decided to go 3/4" on this bench mainly because I don't foresee using Festool style clamps on a handtool oriented workbench.

I stalled on ordering lumber for the top because the prices are not great right now. Best I could do for 8/4 soft maple in the quantities I need was $6.25/bf plus a nominal delivery fee. There's a place local Vienna Hardwoods that's a bit cheaper but they either never have enough stock or only have wide boards. I was able to get all 9-10' lengths 5-6" wide which is about perfect. Had I planned better I would've bought this in the beginning and used offcuts for the base of the bench and saved a good deal of money. Live and learn.



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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #44 on: August 26, 2022, 02:30 PM »
With hindsight, there's always something you would have liked to do differently...  [tongue]

Yesterday I got a message from Sauter for these:

https://www.sautershop.com/clamp-dog-for-toggle-clamps-vario-sa-cldog-vario

They seem very nice and fit both Bessey and Kreg clamps.

These from Veritas can be used with Kreg clamps too:

https://www.leevalley.com/en-gb/shop/tools/workshop/workbenches/benchtop-accessories/74610-clamp-plate-and-posts-for-kreg-hold-down-clamps?item=50F0211





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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #45 on: August 31, 2022, 09:49 AM »
It took me about 7 hours of non-stop work to rip down 16 boards using my TS55 and rip blade, joint a face and edge, and make the opposing face parallel. It was pretty intensive and my back is still recovering 6 days later.











I went ahead and assembled the base and chamfered all the edges as well:



Once I get some more time I'll do another final milling on the top lumber before glue up.

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Offline hdv

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #46 on: August 31, 2022, 05:18 PM »
@festal : are you still looking for 30 mm dogs? Last week I got a notice from Sauter for something that might be of use to you then.

See this:

https://www.sautershop.com/clamp-dog-for-toggle-clamps-vario-30mm-bolt-set-cldog-vario-30?c=16534

and

https://www.sautershop.com/bolt-oe30mm-for-bench-dog-adapter-vario-sa-cldog-vario-b30

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #47 on: September 08, 2022, 10:46 AM »
Inching closer to having some tops to work on. All the boards are oversized S4S now in all dimensions.



Starting to pick out which ones I want to use for the front laminate which will receive the Benchcrafted tail vise:



Since the majority of the boards are still 2" thick and 4.5" wide I'll have plenty of wiggle room.

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #48 on: September 11, 2022, 08:01 AM »
Front laminate is glued up and nice and flat on the bottom



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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #49 on: September 11, 2022, 08:34 AM »
Nice work! There's always something very pleasing about seeing large glue-ups, watching a project come together is just great!

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #50 on: September 11, 2022, 04:57 PM »
Nice. Did you use the domino?


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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #51 on: September 11, 2022, 05:28 PM »
Nice. Did you use the domino?


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I did but that picture is after passing it over the jointer
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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #52 on: September 13, 2022, 09:22 AM »
For the rear slab that is 11 1/16" wide I decided to do it in sections:





Reason being it's easier to do the glue up and I can pass each section over the jointer to flatten the bottom before joining them together. Even with Dominos as alignment aids the boards are not flush on the bottom across such a length.

Once both sections are flat on the bottom I'll pay more attention to keeping them flush during glue up since I can't run the joined slab across my 8" jointer. I know about the removal of the rabbeting ledge trick but that hasn't worked too well for me in the past when I tried it. I'm hoping to avoid having to do that.

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Offline festal

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #53 on: September 13, 2022, 09:31 AM »
12" jointer :)

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #54 on: September 13, 2022, 09:33 AM »
12" jointer :)

As soon as I buy a 12" jointer I'll need to joint something 12.5".
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Offline luvmytoolz

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #55 on: September 13, 2022, 04:55 PM »
12" jointer :)

As soon as I buy a 12" jointer I'll need to joint something 12.5".

That's why a lot of them come in at 13" width of cut!

But as you say, the first project would then probably be 13.5"! ;-)

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #56 on: September 14, 2022, 02:08 PM »


My front laminate that gets the benchcrafted tail vise is squared up. Plans call for 4", it's at 4 5/16" currently. I'll probably take it down
to 4" to make my life easier. The milling and construction of the tops is probably the most intimidating part of all of this. I'm working alone so I have to be selective with how I approach things. The rear 11 1/16" x 4 1/2" x 85" laminate is glued up and that sucker weighs a ton:

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #57 on: September 14, 2022, 02:32 PM »
Looking gorgeous Matt! Those heavy slabs of hardwoods are so foreign to me in these days of knock-down workbenches, gotta admit you are making me drool a bit.

The final payoff is getting close. You may hit another nerve-wracking phase when installing vises comes into play but then it's clear sailing.

Enjoy the process.

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #58 on: September 15, 2022, 08:49 AM »
You know what would make this job a lot easier...a nice heavy workbench!  ;)

Looking good. When it's all said and done, I'd love the hear your thoughts on what you would do differently (if anything). I'd like to build a Roubo this winter and have been studying different designs.

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #59 on: September 15, 2022, 10:21 AM »
Looking gorgeous Matt! Those heavy slabs of hardwoods are so foreign to me in these days of knock-down workbenches, gotta admit you are making me drool a bit.

The final payoff is getting close. You may hit another nerve-wracking phase when installing vises comes into play but then it's clear sailing.

Enjoy the process.

RMW

Thank you Richard. I got into woodworking thinking I'd only ever do cabinets. I'd argue I got pretty darn good at those. I don't think I'd associate "fun" with cabinetry though. It's satisfying but also kind of I don't know, cold in the precision? I have loads of built ins left to do in my house and I know they'll all turn out nice. I wanted to do this project as a way to force me into the other side of things. The beauty is I can still pop up my Track Tubes MFT tables wherever/whenever I want.

I'm dreading that vise and dog hole strip and condor tails on the front laminate.

You know what would make this job a lot easier...a nice heavy workbench!  ;)

Looking good. When it's all said and done, I'd love the hear your thoughts on what you would do differently (if anything). I'd like to build a Roubo this winter and have been studying different designs.

Ha not so sure a workbench would've helped me any. This is all grunt work right now. So far the only thing I possibly would've changed would be the height of the leg vise handle. I'm 6'2 and in testing it out it felt a bit low. Raising it up though sacrifices capacity. I'll probably be fine with it set at the standard height in use.











That rear slab was tough. After glue up the two halves slipped past each other, hence the hand plane in a previous post. No big deal, it ended up nice and flat. I re-purposed my @TSO Products parallel guides to use as winding sticks. The slab is at 4 1/8" now and is, as far as I can tell, flat across it's length and square on all sides. I'll probably leave it there for now and mill it down to 4" when I'm completely done with the front slab and associated vise install.

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #60 on: September 21, 2022, 07:25 AM »
Cruising along. I'm making some mistakes but thankfully none of them are going to be seen or affect anything.

Local dealer had an 8' x 14" 12/4 Walnut slab that he cut off an end for me. I went ahead and oversize milled down an end cap off of it. There should be enough left to make another if this one gets messed up somehow.



TS55 to trim the end off the front slab:



Kerfing the end for the tenon:



In order to clamp the guide rail on the narrow side of the slab to complete the kerf cuts I used my guide rail vacuum clamping pod:





Lots of fiddling later:



Excavating the cavity for the tail vise using two parallel guides and some bar stock:







I'm hoping to mortise the end cap today or tomorrow and see what needs adjusting on the tenon shoulders/end cap to get a good fit.

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #61 on: September 21, 2022, 05:53 PM »








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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #62 on: September 21, 2022, 05:58 PM »
Nice work. How's your anxiety level now?

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #63 on: September 21, 2022, 06:02 PM »
In order to clamp the guide rail on the narrow side of the slab to complete the kerf cuts I used my guide rail vacuum clamping pod:




My first thought seeing these pictures was how you clamped the rail. Very smart idea! I had no idea guide rail vacuum clamping pods were a thing. [cool]
« Last Edit: September 22, 2022, 10:48 AM by 4nthony »
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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #64 on: September 21, 2022, 06:17 PM »
Nice work. How's your anxiety level now?

RMW

I'll rest easier when this is done that's for sure
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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #65 on: September 22, 2022, 10:01 AM »
I finally figured out why they call them benchtop drill presses. You're supposed to use it to build a benchtop!!





Real reason for this: I originally hand drilled the barrel nut holes and didn't get it quite right on the location for one of the end cap bolts that wandered off centerline. The rasp I have wasn't doing diddly. I decided the best cure was the drill press to slightly move the hole over.

I know it looks perfect in the picture but there's a slight gap at the top shoulder line that's bothering me. I'll see what can be done about that.



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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #66 on: September 22, 2022, 10:57 AM »
This is the type of work I lose sleep fretting over until the time arrives to do it.

Matt, I don't recall but I assume you don't have Shaper Origin? If not, perfect excuse rationale reason to add one to the fleet. [poke]

I've got the newly released plate on order, which is perfect for this type of work. Not that an unreleased product helps you at this point.

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #67 on: September 22, 2022, 11:40 AM »
@Richard/RMW I hear you. I've considered one off and on but the desire to learn a new tool just isn't there right now. I'm trying to go the other way on the technology front and use more tools that don't require electricity.
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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #68 on: September 22, 2022, 12:12 PM »
Yea my hand tools are woefully underutilized, and my skills are on par. I'm still in a shop and jig phase, it's been a while since I actually built anything else. The boss just shakes her head every time I spend an entire weekend rearranging tools and there's  nothing to really show for it on Monday.

That workbench will give you a great foundation for hand work.

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #69 on: September 23, 2022, 05:30 AM »
Yea my hand tools are woefully underutilized, and my skills are on par. I'm still in a shop and jig phase, it's been a while since I actually built anything else. The boss just shakes her head every time I spend an entire weekend rearranging tools and there's  nothing to really show for it on Monday.

That workbench will give you a great foundation for hand work.

RMW

I can't say I'm ahead of you. I used a jigsaw to help cut waste on the big tenon because I don't own a hand saw unless you count my very dull hack saw. I'm trying though. I'll probably make one of those wall mounted hand tool storage things after this.



I made this jig yesterday to do the square bench dog strip that gets laminated to the bench top section I've been working on.

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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #70 on: Yesterday at 09:16 AM »
I mentioned earlier the fit of the end cap was bugging me. I had this idea in my head and executed it yesterday/this morning and I must say it worked beautifully. I made a jig that could wrap around the bench that I made sure was square on both sides in relation to each other. Then I could run a pattern bit referencing the jig to square up the shoulders perfectly.









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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #71 on: Yesterday at 11:54 AM »
In order to clamp the guide rail on the narrow side of the slab to complete the kerf cuts I used my guide rail vacuum clamping pod:




My first thought seeing these pictures was how you clamped the rail. Very smart idea! I had no idea guide rail vacuum clamping pods were a thing. [cool]

Wait, what? Who makes this thing? Looks like a must-have.
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Re: Roubo'ish bench
« Reply #72 on: Yesterday at 12:27 PM »

My first thought seeing these pictures was how you clamped the rail. Very smart idea! I had no idea guide rail vacuum clamping pods were a thing. [cool]

Wait, what? Who makes this thing? Looks like a must-have.

@Crazyraceguy I found more info here...

https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-sales-dealer-area/new-vcs-r-vacuum-clamping-system-for-festool-guide-rail/
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