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Offline woodguy7

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« Reply #150 on: September 19, 2012, 11:31 AM »
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« Reply #151 on: September 19, 2012, 01:17 PM »


That section of the kitchen use to be out side but they extended the house.  They didnt want to fill the well in cus they thought it wud be a shame so they decided to get glass made to fit flush with the floor so you can walk over the well and look down. 

When you look through the glass it looks a bit like this..... http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GTckuC1ShiY/SUtz4DePIZI/AAAAAAAABFI/3VU442G81fw/s320/well.JPG

I havent got a picture of the well its self because I didnt have any involvement in doing it.  I dont normally take pictures of stuff unless I have been involved or done the job.

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« Reply #152 on: September 19, 2012, 01:21 PM »
Sounds really nice, did they put a light in it ?

Won't that be a cold spot in the floor ?
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« Reply #153 on: September 19, 2012, 01:35 PM »
Most likely but its all tiled with under floor heating so if u dont want cold feet just dont stand on the glass lol  [tongue]

Yeah they have but not much thought has gone into it to be fair.  The metal frame to support the glass is a tight fit around the well so no room to hide lights so they used LED lights but they are not bright enough to really light the well up.

Ill suggest to them later to use some fancy out door lights so you will see them but they will look nice but will at least light the well up so you can actually see right down.

On another job I was working on few years ago they had a well in their kitchen aswell but they put a rectangle glass ontop on the round well infront of the door so it looked like a door matt out of glass.   This allowed me to fix a out door hallogon under the section hidden away and the well lit up super bright and looked really good.

Funny thing is GUTTED for any one who wanted to walk through the door way into the hall as they had no choice but to walk over the well.   Little scary standing on glass even though I knew how thick it was and strong.

The same people had a seller under the hall way  so they had a glass panel fitted at the front door aswell years ago!   The glass had worn so much it was like frosted glass not clear any more and it was hallow I recon it had worn down by 10mm  in the middle.

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« Reply #154 on: September 19, 2012, 03:53 PM »
When we (Mother, brother and I) moved into our house in Wilton, Ct right after the WWII had ended, we had no running water, electricity, indoor plumbing, central heating.  We did have a hand dug well with a cast iron hand pump just outside the kitchen door. It was my job to keep water supplied to the house.  The first project for me, every day, was to get water from the well.  I had to make sure there was enough water left to prime the pump.  In the winter, it had to be hot water.  Sometimes, there was not enough hot water to thaw the pump and i had to go to neighbors for enough hot water to do the job. 

every summer, we had to be very careful in how we used water.  The well would go nearly dry and i had to ration to the family.  about the third summer, the drougth was so severe, no amount of rationing would keep enough water in the bottom of the well.  I had to climb down with short shovel and pick and add four feet to the bottom and drop in a couple of tile liners.  The digging was not the hardest part.  I am somewhat claustrophobic and so the toughest part of the job was to keep my mind under control. (Ok, I suppose that one sets up for some kind remarks  ::)) A few years later, we had another dry spell and so we got a "pounder" machine in and then we had water to spare.

The trouble with the drilled well was the water was full of iron and sulphur.  The water, altho now plentiful, was smelling of rotten eggs and all dishes and utensils acquired rings of rust. 

JMB, your photo brings back much memory.  Some great and some not so much.

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Offline jmbfestool

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« Reply #155 on: September 19, 2012, 06:22 PM »
When we (Mother, brother and I) moved into our house in Wilton, Ct right after the WWII had ended, we had no running water, electricity, indoor plumbing, central heating.  We did have a hand dug well with a cast iron hand pump just outside the kitchen door. It was my job to keep water supplied to the house.  The first project for me, every day, was to get water from the well.  I had to make sure there was enough water left to prime the pump.  In the winter, it had to be hot water.  Sometimes, there was not enough hot water to thaw the pump and i had to go to neighbors for enough hot water to do the job. 

every summer, we had to be very careful in how we used water.  The well would go nearly dry and i had to ration to the family.  about the third summer, the drougth was so severe, no amount of rationing would keep enough water in the bottom of the well.  I had to climb down with short shovel and pick and add four feet to the bottom and drop in a couple of tile liners.  The digging was not the hardest part.  I am somewhat claustrophobic and so the toughest part of the job was to keep my mind under control. (Ok, I suppose that one sets up for some kind remarks  ::)) A few years later, we had another dry spell and so we got a "pounder" machine in and then we had water to spare.

The trouble with the drilled well was the water was full of iron and sulphur.  The water, altho now plentiful, was smelling of rotten eggs and all dishes and utensils acquired rings of rust. 

JMB, your photo brings back much memory.  Some great and some not so much.

Tinker

Nice story!
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« Reply #156 on: September 19, 2012, 06:34 PM »
Here you go Michael Kellough

Picture of how I did it.

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Offline mattfc

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« Reply #157 on: September 20, 2012, 05:53 AM »
Here you go Michael Kellough

Picture of how I did it.

yes but how did you line the bevel bit? Lots of segments?

Offline Michael Kellough

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« Reply #158 on: September 20, 2012, 09:59 AM »
Here you go Michael Kellough

Picture of how I did it.

yes but how did you line the bevel bit? Lots of segments?

That's what I'm guessing all those ribs are for. A long flexible knife will feather the mud into the valleys.
If you could figure out the arcs for laying in long pieces of wallboard you wouldn't need half as many ribs
but you'd consume a full sheet of wallboard vs less than half.


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« Reply #159 on: September 20, 2012, 02:18 PM »
Oh sorry I made lots of pieces of tapered plaster board pieces which lapped half way on the 2x2 timber  I then scored few lines down the back of the boards so they would snap to fallow the curve more.

 I had them sailing past and when I done them all I cut them of with a handsaw they where flush to the face.  

Then using a bead I bent that round and screwed it as I went round.  That bit was the hard bit trying to keep it flowing as it wanted to leave straight sections.

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Offline Deansocial

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« Reply #160 on: September 20, 2012, 03:21 PM »
Here you go Michael Kellough

Picture of how I did it.

yes but how did you line the bevel bit? Lots of segments?

That's what I'm guessing all those ribs are for. A long flexible knife will feather the mud into the valleys.
If you could figure out the arcs for laying in long pieces of wallboard you wouldn't need half as many ribs
but you'd consume a full sheet of wallboard vs less than half.



No mud would be used, it would be plastered with gypsum plaster

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« Reply #161 on: September 20, 2012, 03:39 PM »
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« Reply #162 on: September 28, 2012, 02:50 AM »
Sorry!

I didn't know it was full wondered why I hadn't received any messages lately.

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« Reply #163 on: January 07, 2013, 01:55 PM »
JMB, could you tell me a bit more about the arches, you mentioned they and the cabinets were sprayed on site? did you do it mate and if so what were you using.

Cheers.

Great work btw  ;D
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« Reply #164 on: January 07, 2013, 03:50 PM »
JMB, could you tell me a bit more about the arches, you mentioned they and the cabinets were sprayed on site? did you do it mate and if so what were you using.

Cheers.

Great work btw  ;D

Yeah I sprayed them with the paint which was on the job I don't normally spray. It's just that the client asked me.  I only did the undercoat.

The arches wa would u like to know about them???
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« Reply #165 on: January 10, 2013, 02:10 AM »
JMB, could you tell me a bit more about the arches, you mentioned they and the cabinets were sprayed on site? did you do it mate and if so what were you using.

Cheers.

Great work btw  ;D

Yeah I sprayed them with the paint which was on the job I don't normally spray. It's just that the client asked me.  I only did the undercoat.

The arches wa would u like to know about them???

Was wondering if you used and hvlp or normal compressor and if you used AC/PU paint or if it was water based. I might have to do an on site spray job on and attic unit and am trying to work out the best way and if i even want to!
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« Reply #166 on: January 10, 2013, 02:38 AM »
JMB, could you tell me a bit more about the arches, you mentioned they and the cabinets were sprayed on site? did you do it mate and if so what were you using.

Cheers.

Great work btw  ;D

Yeah I sprayed them with the paint which was on the job I don't normally spray. It's just that the client asked me.  I only did the undercoat.

The arches wa would u like to know about them???

Was wondering if you used and hvlp or normal compressor and if you used AC/PU paint or if it was water based. I might have to do an on site spray job on and attic unit and am trying to work out the best way and if i even want to!

I didnt spray the main arches the client painted them from scratch ( not very good)   I sprayed the units, small arches undercoat only

Well I used emulsion at first  which was recommended by windmill man here on FOG.  At first I thought it was good cus one spray and then a sand got it smooth plus it gave it a undercoat. Instead of using pva which would only seal it.


But I found using emulsion is not that good for durability and didnt seal it fully on first coat so required a sand and then second coat and sand.

A unit which was painted with a few coats by hand by the client after I put emulsion on would chip more easily but when it chipped off it chipped off right back down to the MDF like the emulsion didnt stick.

Also another thing bad about emulsion because its water base your MDF will bend if you just spray one side of the MDF you have to spray both sides to keep your MDF stable.

So I decided to use oil base undercoat paint which is loads better! I was able to get the MDF alot smoother once I sanded it in just one coat and is a lot more durable.

I wish I never used the emulsion bad idea get the feeling some one was having a laugh.

I used a portable hvlp cus it was only to get the undercoat on quick and evenly for me to sand smooth ready for the client.
For the client to do a poor job at filling and painting[crying]


I don't normally spray for clients but it is something I want to get into just learning curve! I ain't no professional in this!
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Offline jimbouk

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« Reply #167 on: January 10, 2013, 04:46 AM »
JMB, could you tell me a bit more about the arches, you mentioned they and the cabinets were sprayed on site? did you do it mate and if so what were you using.

Cheers.

Great work btw  ;D

Yeah I sprayed them with the paint which was on the job I don't normally spray. It's just that the client asked me.  I only did the undercoat.

The arches wa would u like to know about them???

Was wondering if you used and hvlp or normal compressor and if you used AC/PU paint or if it was water based. I might have to do an on site spray job on and attic unit and am trying to work out the best way and if i even want to!

I didnt spray the arches the client painted them from scratch ( not very good)   I sprayed the units undercoat only

Well I used emulsion at first  which was recommended by windmill man here on FOG.  At first I thought it was good cus one spray and then a sand got it smooth plus it gave it a undercoat. Instead of using pva which would only seal it.


But I found using emulsion is not that good for durability and didnt seal it fully on first coat so required a sand and then second coat and sand.

A unit which was painted with a few coats by hand by the client after I put emulsion on would chip more easily but when it chipped off it chipped off right back down to the MDF like the emulsion didnt stick.

Also another thing bad about emulsion because its water base your MDF will bend if you just spray one side of the MDF you have to spray both sides to keep your MDF stable.

So I decided to use oil base undercoat paint which is loads better! I was able to get the MDF alot smoother once I sanded it in just one coat and is a lot more durable.

I wish I never used the emulsion bad idea get the feeling some one was having a laugh.

I used a portable hvlp cus it was only to get the undercoat on quick and evenly for me to sand smooth ready for the client.
For the client to do a poor job at filling and painting[crying]


I don't normally spray for clients but it is something I want to get into just learning curve! I ain't no professional in this!

Nice one cheers. I would never spray emulsion onto mdf, think you got stitched up there mate :(

I was wondering as we have sprayed acid cat once before but it stinks and that was a building site and this is a lived in house so it's a no go. Unfortunately it's just not possible to do this one in the spray shop.
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« Reply #168 on: January 10, 2013, 06:28 AM »
I have put emulsion onto mdf as a primer before.  I didn't spray it, i rolled it with a 100mm foam roller.  It gave me good results with an oil paint on top !  Maybe spraying is different.  I sanded all the mdf with 120 grit to take the shininess away from it & give the paint something to grip to.
I don't think Windmill Man was trying to stitch you up.
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« Reply #169 on: January 10, 2013, 07:43 AM »
Dulux trade do a decent water based MDF primer that is designed for spraying, I had no problems with using a Fuji Q4, you need to water it down a little, then what worked for me was lots of light mist coats in pretty quick succession, e.g. by the time I had finished going from once side to the other, it was dry enough for me to start again. I did about 5 lights coats in succession, then waited a couple of hours and did the same, ended up with a good solid base coat of primer, then sprayed Dulux trade diamond satinwood.

this was the end result

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« Reply #170 on: January 10, 2013, 08:56 AM »
Dulux trade do a decent water based MDF primer that is designed for spraying, I had no problems with using a Fuji Q4, you need to water it down a little, then what worked for me was lots of light mist coats in pretty quick succession, e.g. by the time I had finished going from once side to the other, it was dry enough for me to start again. I did about 5 lights coats in succession, then waited a couple of hours and did the same, ended up with a good solid base coat of primer, then sprayed Dulux trade diamond satinwood.

this was the end result



Thanks for that Matt, I'm going to try that out I think. Thanks for the info and nice unit mate!
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« Reply #171 on: January 10, 2013, 09:58 AM »
JMB:
Those arches, and all the work look really good.

Well I used emulsion at first  which was recommended by windmill man here on FOG.  At first I thought it was good cus one spray and then a sand got it smooth plus it gave it a undercoat. Instead of using pva which would only seal it.

Interesting. I don't know what emulsion is maybe it goes by a different name here. What's the chemistry of emulsion? What does it contain?

A unit which was painted with a few coats by hand by the client after I put emulsion on would chip more easily but when it chipped off it chipped off right back down to the MDF like the emulsion didnt stick.

Interesting, I am curious what kind of paint (solvent based or water borne) did the client use to paint the arches?

So I decided to use oil base undercoat paint which is loads better! I was able to get the MDF alot smoother once I sanded it in just one coat and is a lot more durable.

Was this after you used the emulsion on the same arch or a different arch? How do you know the chipping wasn't on an arch that you used the oil base undercoat?

Tim

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« Reply #172 on: January 10, 2013, 12:58 PM »
I have put emulsion onto mdf as a primer before.  I didn't spray it, i rolled it with a 100mm foam roller.  It gave me good results with an oil paint on top !  Maybe spraying is different.  I sanded all the mdf with 120 grit to take the shininess away from it & give the paint something to grip to.
I don't think Windmill Man was trying to stitch you up.

Yeah but it's not the first time he's taken the ..... out of me is it.
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« Reply #173 on: January 10, 2013, 01:05 PM »
JMB:
Those arches, and all the work look really good.

Well I used emulsion at first  which was recommended by windmill man here on FOG.  At first I thought it was good cus one spray and then a sand got it smooth plus it gave it a undercoat. Instead of using pva which would only seal it.

Interesting. I don't know what emulsion is maybe it goes by a different name here. What's the chemistry of emulsion? What does it contain?

A unit which was painted with a few coats by hand by the client after I put emulsion on would chip more easily but when it chipped off it chipped off right back down to the MDF like the emulsion didnt stick.

Interesting, I am curious what kind of paint (solvent based or water borne) did the client use to paint the arches?

So I decided to use oil base undercoat paint which is loads better! I was able to get the MDF alot smoother once I sanded it in just one coat and is a lot more durable.

Was this after you used the emulsion on the same arch or a different arch? How do you know the chipping wasn't on an arch that you used the oil base undercoat?

Tim


All I know is emulsion contains water and is mostly used for painting walls and ceilings

The client used a acrylic paint which they really slapped on. I tried to sand it back for them but it just clogs up my Rotex sand paper very quickly.  It looks fine but they have two LED lights shinning up the arch and when u turn them on you see the poor runny painting and filling by the client.


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« Reply #174 on: January 10, 2013, 01:26 PM »
The emulsion would have been vinyl matt more than likely.  The paint on arches would have been farrow and ball, little greene or fired earth i think

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« Reply #175 on: January 10, 2013, 01:36 PM »
The emulsion would have been vinyl matt more than likely.  The paint on arches would have been farrow and ball, little greene or fired earth i think


Little Green as final coat but dont know wa the client used as undercoat on the main arches though.
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« Reply #176 on: January 10, 2013, 01:53 PM »
Some pictures of the things I sprayed undercoat with Emulsion.   The small arches I sprayed in wardrobe area but like I said not the main arches with the LED lights.

Ill take some pictures of the Units I made where I used Oil base.


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« Reply #177 on: January 10, 2013, 01:55 PM »
Firm i sub to always use aluminium primer

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« Reply #178 on: January 10, 2013, 01:58 PM »
Firm i sub to always use aluminium primer

On MDF?
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« Reply #179 on: January 10, 2013, 02:01 PM »
Yeah why