Author Topic: Project Plans (Read 174067 times)

Matthew Schenker · « **on:** January 24, 2009, 08:58 AM »

Good Morning,
Yesterday, I was browsing through all the great projects posted here in the FOG. It's amazing, not only how much work members have put into their projects, but also how much effort goes into documenting projects with text and photographs.

But there's one more element we'd love to see -- project plans.

I decided to create this discussion, as a place for people to post their project plans. Here's my idea...

If you have posted a project, please add a post here with your technical drawings, handwritten sketches, or other plans.

Doing this will help projects be shared even better with other members. By posting all the plans in this discussion, we can have an easy way for other members to see a full listing. We can also provide links to the actual projects.

My image is that, with time, this could become a virtual "plan book" of sorts.

So, post your project plans here!

Thanks,
Matthew

Ken S · « **Reply #1 on:** January 25, 2009, 08:23 AM »

Great idea. Having a scanner would help.

Most posted projects by FOG Members are well documented including pictures.

Adding a "Cut List" would help.
Don't know if that is asking too much.

Matthew Schenker · « **Reply #2 on:** January 25, 2009, 08:42 AM »

Quote from: Ken S on January 25, 2009, 08:23 AM

Great idea. Having a scanner would help.

Most posted projects by FOG Members are well documented including pictures.

Adding a "Cut List" would help.
Don't know if that is asking too much.

Yes, I realize there are varying levels of technology in member shops! If people have the option of scanning plans, that's great. If they are handwritten plans, that works (actually, I think it's nice to see handwritten plans). If you use some kind of software that outputs your plans, that's great too.

Of course, some of us are able to work without plans! In those cases, posting cut lists would be great help. Again, they can be hand-sketched or done with software.

Thanks,
Matthew

tDot · « **Reply #3 on:** November 25, 2009, 01:25 AM »

So how would someone go about posting plans and cutlists that are drawn on a piece of wood?

Dave Ronyak · « **Reply #4 on:** November 28, 2009, 11:34 AM »

By posting photograph(s) of those pieces of wood! And the completed project and of various stages of completion of the project and its components together with dimensions and other words describing them.

Dave R.

-woodsman- · « **Reply #5 on:** January 10, 2010, 06:16 PM »

These are two post and beam arbors I'm building in Boston (yaay boston). I never drew a complete detail of the purlins but Ill include a pic. The top of the last purlin on ether side of the structures is flush with the top of the header so the detail dies into the plane of the header. Each purlin is beveled leaving a 2x2 square on the end of it. The length of the bevel is reduced by the same # as does the height. This creates a secondary elips of sorts on the underside of them. The larger one is over the driveway and the smaller one is over the walkway. His house is on a main st. with a hospital 1 block away and its very noisy. The ideas is that once the vines have established themselves it will help deaden the sound of the road.

Jon Hilgenberg · « **Reply #6 on:** January 18, 2010, 04:28 PM »

Hey guys,

Would love to scan some plans and photos, but I'm sorely lacking in the tech dept. A little help?

Jon Hilgenberg · « **Reply #7 on:** January 24, 2010, 06:14 PM »

Finally figured out how to post some pictures (I hope). This was a closet that my client was using for crafts and wanted it to be a little less cluttered.

Peter Halle · « **Reply #8 on:** January 24, 2010, 06:42 PM »

You did great with the pictures! Like your work in the photos also. Tough to design for the end wall and make it useful.

Keep going.

Peter

Jon Hilgenberg · « **Reply #9 on:** January 25, 2010, 09:42 AM »

Peter, Joe,

Thanks for the compliments. The most difficult aspect was trying to cram as much usable storage as I could into such a confined space. Peter nailed it by mentioning the end wall. The first plan was to have rollouts in the bookshelf to make some of her items easier to get to, but was nixed since she still would have had to reach down into a narrow area to reach and the rollouts would not have much room to come out anyway. I'm glad we ended up using adjustable shelves, since the homeowner removed the bottom shelf and uses it to store large rolls of craft paper and other larger items.

I'm particularly proud of this one for a couple of reasons: 1) It was my first job using my TS55, and 2) this was quite literally the first job I ever sold/designed/installed as an owner/operator after being laid off. Still getting used to being self-employed, but I don't think I want to work for someone ever again...

Jon Hilgenberg · « **Reply #10 on:** January 25, 2010, 09:45 AM »

Quote from: -woodsman- on January 10, 2010, 06:16 PM

These are two post and beam arbors I'm building in Boston (yaay boston). I never drew a complete detail of the purlins but Ill include a pic. The top of the last purlin on ether side of the structures is flush with the top of the header so the detail dies into the plane of the header. Each purlin is beveled leaving a 2x2 square on the end of it. The length of the bevel is reduced by the same # as does the height. This creates a secondary elips of sorts on the underside of them. The larger one is over the driveway and the smaller one is over the walkway. His house is on a main st. with a hospital 1 block away and its very noisy. The ideas is that once the vines have established themselves it will help deaden the sound of the road.

Your work looks great! Any photos of the finished product yet? How many guys did it take to install?

Lived in MA for a few years and did a lot of work in Newton/Wellesly/Brookline area as a cabinetmaker. I almost miss it.

Tom Bellemare · « **Reply #11 on:** January 25, 2010, 10:49 AM »

I like the Festool green drawer pulls...

Tom

NVA_WW · « **Reply #12 on:** March 21, 2010, 08:28 PM »

Jonhilgen - what type of slide did you use for the pullout table? It doesn't look like your typical slide. I'm in the process if building my wife's craft room and I know she would like a similar pullout.

Jon Hilgenberg · « **Reply #13 on:** March 22, 2010, 07:23 AM »

NVA_VW

I ordered it from Hafele. Item # 505.58.703.

Cost was 262.02 including shipping.

Jon

busybeaver · « **Reply #14 on:** March 27, 2010, 03:20 PM »

One idea for an inexpensive solution to getting from hardcopy(i.e. pencil/pen & paper) to digital -- use a digital camera, carefully.

Though it takes some practice, a digital camera is a considerably more practical solution these days than a scanner for most individuals.
If you use that in combination with a tripod, and a little ingenuity, you should end up with a practical alternative to a scanner.

Take a look through some how to photography websites and/or books for more details.

NVA_WW · « **Reply #15 on:** March 27, 2010, 03:41 PM »

Jon - did you also use MDF for this project? I really enjoy your work--great looks and extremely practical!

Jon Hilgenberg · « **Reply #16 on:** March 27, 2010, 06:27 PM »

Quote from: NVA_WW on March 27, 2010, 03:41 PM

Jon - did you also use MDF for this project? I really enjoy your work--great looks and extremely practical!

Yeah, once again, MDF.

My next job I'm actually going to use paint grade maple for the bookshelves. I'm moving up in the world! Going to start cutting it up Monday (right on time for my QWAS cross cutting jig arriving Monday)

Thanks for the compliment NVA_WW.

asmang · « **Reply #17 on:** May 18, 2010, 10:20 AM »

It would also be great if anyone wants to post Google Sketchup files. If you haven't used Sketchup, I highly recommend it. It's full 3d CAD... for free! Lots of support out there and there's even a plugin called Cutlist that will automatically create cutlists based on the drawing.

Sketchup can be downloaded from Google at http://sketchup.google.com.

Greg

-woodsman- · « **Reply #18 on:** August 01, 2010, 07:35 PM »

Quote from: Jonhilgen on January 25, 2010, 09:45 AM

Quote from: -woodsman- on January 10, 2010, 06:16 PM
These are two post and beam arbors I'm building in Boston (yaay boston). I never drew a complete detail of the purlins but Ill include a pic. The top of the last purlin on ether side of the structures is flush with the top of the header so the detail dies into the plane of the header. Each purlin is beveled leaving a 2x2 square on the end of it. The length of the bevel is reduced by the same # as does the height. This creates a secondary elips of sorts on the underside of them. The larger one is over the driveway and the smaller one is over the walkway. His house is on a main st. with a hospital 1 block away and its very noisy. The ideas is that once the vines have established themselves it will help deaden the sound of the road.

Your work looks great! Any photos of the finished product yet? How many guys did it take to install?

Lived in MA for a few years and did a lot of work in Newton/Wellesly/Brookline area as a cabinetmaker. I almost miss it.

Thanks Jonhilgen, Not done yet. Many problems. Permiting and mildew

to name a few. I expect I should only need 10 or 12 people to fool safe, but I'm hoping for a hundred. The zoning board has given me such a hard time I want to call all the local news stations and make a big show of it. Its a organic hand made arbor what's the big deal. anyway check out the pictures on the Member Projects page.
http://festoolownersgroup.com/member-projects/post-and-beam-arbors/msg87652/#msg87652
They made me do renderings and we still don't have the permit yet. It will go up it will go up it will go up, thats my mantra. Fall would be nice, good working weather. Although there are black walnuts that are ripe and lethal around then. Maybe some FOG hard hats would do the trick.
How do you like in S.C.? I was there once and found it very pleasant.

Jon Hilgenberg · « **Reply #19 on:** August 03, 2010, 07:11 PM »

Woodsman,

Love it down here (but it's a bit hot in winters), but miss the family terribly. Thinking of heading back up North since grandchildren will be on the way shortly. Just need to find work first (and a house, and trade in my truck for something with 4x4...)

Jon

-woodsman- · « **Reply #20 on:** August 03, 2010, 08:18 PM »

Quote from: Jonhilgen on August 03, 2010, 07:11 PM

Woodsman,

Love it down here (but it's a bit hot in winters), but miss the family terribly. Thinking of heading back up North since grandchildren will be on the way shortly. Just need to find work first (and a house, and trade in my truck for something with 4x4...)

Jon

If you find december to balmy down there come on up. Things are pick'n up a bit. WHo knows what winter will bring.

nugene · « **Reply #21 on:** August 22, 2010, 11:47 AM »

I would like to see Festool come up with a plan for a workbench to support and be used with the Kapex. I must be the only one that is looking for a design for this tool.

Peter Halle · « **Reply #22 on:** August 22, 2010, 12:54 PM »

Nugene,

First,

to the forum. If you are looking for a stand for the kapex, there is a smaller MFT designed to hold the Kapex. Festool also has extension arms that fit the Kapex, and has recently introduced in the rest of the world a new rolling stand for the Kapex and new extensions.

Are you talking about something different?

Peter

nugene · « **Reply #23 on:** August 22, 2010, 10:35 PM »

Peter, What I had in mind was a wooden workbench with an extension on the left side and right side that allowed you to cut trim to length. This would have stops that adjusted to the size you wished to cut. Like they use in a framing shop. The saw base would be recessed in the table so that the cutting area is even with the extension. Hope I explained myself. I've seen the Kapex table and that is not what I am looking for.

Peter Halle · « **Reply #24 on:** August 22, 2010, 10:50 PM »

Nugene,

Gary Katz, who travels around with his Kapex uses a folding metal stand and extension wings that were self built. Here is a link to his drawing: Gary Katz Extension Wings

The brackets he uses are no longer available, but modifications can be made.

Peter

nugene · « **Reply #25 on:** August 24, 2010, 09:41 AM »

and merci too.

Top Knot · « **Reply #26 on:** December 13, 2010, 05:36 PM »

Hi all
When I design or layout a unit I always use a program called "Design Workshop" (I say always coz I have been using it for coming close to ten years now

). You should hopefuly see two pictures below the first is a "print out" from the design program that I used to design the unit. I also use this as a conceptual drawing to "sell" what I can offer the client . The second photo is a photo I actually took today of the complete installed unit.

The Final Design as done on Design Workshop

A Photo taken of the final product

For those interested in downloading this program and its tutorial for FREE. Yes... its a working sample of the program that you can download for nothing! Do an internet search for Artifice free download. It took me when I first started with this program, about 2 hours to "build" a house with doors and windows a pitched roof with chimney also a porch and handraing with steps leading up tho the porch. From what I understand it works much the same as Google Sketch, (although I have never used GS myself...) The only limitation on the free program is you cannot save a file that has more than 100 objects... I have a rather laborious process around this limitation, should you you wish to know feel free to message me...

till later
Graham

Greg Powers · « **Reply #27 on:** December 13, 2010, 08:00 PM »

Is "Design Workshop" easer to use the Google's sketch up?

RonWen · « **Reply #28 on:** December 13, 2010, 10:34 PM »

Very nice Graham!

Top Knot · « **Reply #29 on:** December 14, 2010, 02:15 AM »

Quote from: GPowers on December 13, 2010, 08:00 PM

Is thes easer to use the Google's sketch up?

As I have never used Google Sketch Up I cannot give an accurate answer to that question. I have however tried to use another program called Solid Edge I have also tried to use Auto CAD. If I had put more time and effort into the latter two programs I may very well have got them down pat, I suppose I didn't because I just like the simplicity of Design Workshop. You can choose to build an object in 2D or in 3D in color or in a "wire-frame" all in all I find it quite simple. From what other people have told me about GS I understand the two programs work in a very similar fashion so you should pick up DW quite quickly if you have been using GS. But do not expect to master the program in two hours. you will have to go through hours of tutorials.

Here's a few more examples that show what I have used the program for in the past:

The concept drawing I showed the client

A photo I took of the completed Job

The concept

A photo taken during instalation

These pics below show where Design Workshop is lacking in a big way... everything related to curvatures, sweeps, archs etc you have to make them all blocky. I used these pics to help me visualize all of what had to be done in the making of the curved handrailing. What is very nice about the program is the ability to almost be able to "hold the item in your hands" and look at it from any which way angle of your choice. you can walk through rooms walk through walls

zoom in and out.