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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2019, 04:11 PM »
Painting has started. This is new territory for me. I'm doing the best I can with the SW Wall and Wood primer through the Fuji Q5 T75 w/ 3M PPS 2.0 setup. The finish comes out gritty but sands smooth with 320 by hand. I'm only on my first coat with the louvers. Still have to do the rest of the parts.





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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2019, 04:17 PM »
First coat on raw wood? Grain raising?

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2019, 04:20 PM »
Yes raw wood. Could be I'm too inexperienced to say.
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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2019, 04:32 PM »
Sounds about right on the first coat. 

Tom

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2019, 05:52 PM »
I'll check in after I get a second coat on with the results before I do any top coats. I need these to turn out.
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Offline BarneyD

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2019, 05:59 PM »
Looking real nice, Matt. I admire your tenacity on this job. My daughter-in-law got tired of waiting for me to build her some shutters.  She went ahead and ordered some. And I'm glad she did.  Not sure I'd be able to handle a job like that.
Barney

Offline JimD

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2019, 07:54 AM »
I am unfamiliar with the products you are using but grain raising after the first coat is the normal response to water based finishes like I use.  It raises with others but not as much.  So you have more sanding to do after the first coat.  Putting shellac (alcohol solvent) on first helps a little but isn't worth the extra step IMHO.  Shellac is great about sealing in knots in softwood, however.  If the primer I used did not also have that attribute I would use a coat of sheallac.

When spraying, I try to resist the tendency to get the finish glass smooth because it inevitably leads to runs when I try.  I prefer a little rougher result and no runs.  With good light, you can see the difference but it is also a bit of a feel that you may develop. 

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2019, 04:11 PM »
@BarneyD Thank you. I'm questioning my sanity every step of the way.

@JimD thank you for the pointers.

I put the first coat on the rest of the parts:





For the 2nd coat on the louvers I decided to up my game a bit using a cheap turntable off Amazon:



After letting the 2nd coat dry for a bit I'm really happy (surprised) with the result:



It's so smooth I don't even think it needs any sanding. The more I spray the more comfortable I get with technique and mixing. This is all new to me. I'm the last person you'd want to paint a room for you but for some reason if you give me an expensive tool I can figure it out. Brushes and rollers and me just do not get along.
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Offline sprior

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2019, 05:04 PM »
I see some familiar looking green knobs and fence dogs in the pictures - glad that they're apparently working well for you.

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2019, 05:37 PM »
I'm the last person you'd want to paint a room for you but for some reason if you give me an expensive tool I can figure it out. Brushes and rollers and me just do not get along.

Are we related?   [tongue] 
-Raj

Offline BeekATL

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #40 on: October 20, 2019, 10:06 AM »
Great looking plantation shutters, excellent job.  I simply re-sawed 5/4 poplar, planed, sanded, and bull nosed leading and trailing edges of louvers.  From a few paces off you can not tell if they are flat or elliptical louvers. Instead of setting up a jig i used solid brass eyelets to connect louvers to tilt rod.  Did not want to spend the time setting up jig for staple gun.  Look and work great.  I also used tension springs instead of screw to tension louvers.  Found a good source for these plantation shutter parts at shuttermedic.com

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #41 on: October 21, 2019, 09:33 PM »
@BeekATL Thank you for the kind words.

I have the first shutter glued up in clamps.





I'm pretty pleased with how it functions and looks. The louvers picked up a squeak from the last time I dry fitted. .must've happened during the priming process. There's some little imperfections that I'm sure only I'll notice. The wife seemed happy with it so I guess that's good. I'll need to work on my process before doing the rest. I used Titebond II Extend and found it pretty runny. I need the open time it affords to deal with all the louvers and I like that it dries clear but I'm open to suggestions. When I'm working with the shutter pieces, the stiles and rails aren't able to stay horizontal and the glue runs out the bottom of the joint which I'd like to avoid. I might try to adjust my workflow on the louvers so I can switch to regular Titebond II. Other issue is the clamps are marking up the primer but I think that'll clean up. Probably wrap them in tape on the next one.

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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2019, 10:00 PM »
Very nice sir.

Tom

Offline Gregor

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #43 on: October 22, 2019, 05:46 AM »
I'll need to work on my process before doing the rest. I used Titebond II Extend and found it pretty runny. I need the open time it affords to deal with all the louvers and I like that it dries clear but I'm open to suggestions.
Order these and install the louvers after the glue-up of the frame?

Should also make them less squeaky...

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #44 on: October 22, 2019, 06:45 AM »
I'll need to work on my process before doing the rest. I used Titebond II Extend and found it pretty runny. I need the open time it affords to deal with all the louvers and I like that it dries clear but I'm open to suggestions.
Order these and install the louvers after the glue-up of the frame?

Should also make them less squeaky...

The thought crossed my mind. The clearances are pretty tight on these and I've used those spring loaded pins before, not sure they'd fit unfortunately. Makes me wonder why Rockler didn't design around them in the first place.
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Offline JimD

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2019, 02:38 PM »
It's been 10 years or so since I finished my last one in the old house but I do not remember glueup issues.  I had the louvers all stapled to the rod at that point so they were a unit but still had to have their pins inserted in both sides during assembly.  If I was making them today, I think I might put a domino in the center but without glue and use a screw above and below it with plugs hiding the screws.  No glue.  It would be plenty strong and it would eliminate the glue open time concern/issue. 

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2019, 08:55 AM »
@JimD Thank you for the insights.

I worked out my assembly issues. I changed the clamps I was using to the quick clamps from Bessey to set the position of everything then I transfer it over to parallel clamps to dry overnight. The quick clamps are a lot easier to work with when slowly drawing parts together accounting for the louver pins. The squeak I had on the first shutter was due to a little bit of paint on the louver pins from priming. It'll work itself out over time on the first shutter but the second one I glued up is just about perfect after knocking everything off the pins before assembly.

I came across this video today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=312&v=5SB4GFLFoqY

Now I know how the big guys do this stuff. Pretty cool to watch. I did post on my Instagram a short video showing the second shutter opening and closing. Very pleased with it.
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Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #47 on: October 23, 2019, 07:12 PM »

I have the first shutter glued up in clamps.


Great job, Matt!   [smile]
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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #48 on: October 23, 2019, 08:19 PM »

I have the first shutter glued up in clamps.


Great job, Matt!   [smile]

Thanks Willy. 3 down 5 to go.
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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #49 on: October 30, 2019, 04:01 PM »
Matt here. Haven't thrown in the towel yet.

Today was meant to be the finish everything day. Best laid plans and all of that. The morning was eaten up by these control arm hooks:





By the time I had all of those in and after a few four letter words it wasn't until 1PM that I had my spray 'booth' set up. I took it all down for the past two weeks so my wife could go back to parking in the garage. It isn't pleasant to setup alone. To tackle spraying these assembled I went with cup hooks screwed into the bottoms of each shutter. Cheap hangers doubled up and hung on a returned/open box coat hanger tripod thing from Amazon Warehouse. Counter balanced it with two of the old shutters. It wasn't the most stable setup but hey it worked.



It took me a while to get into a groove of how to spray something with so many pieces all the while it wanted to sway on the coat hanger depending on where I was spraying. Fun stuff.

They're all resting in the shop with one coat of S-W ProClassic Alkyd. I'll put the second and final coat on in a few days.



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Offline neilc

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #50 on: November 03, 2019, 12:04 AM »
Looking great, Matt!


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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #51 on: November 03, 2019, 12:58 AM »
Matt, - only someone who has done what you have, can fully appreciate your accomplishment - first time around - no less! If there is a more challenging piece of woodwork to paint than these movable plantation shutters - i don't know what that would be.

My hat's off to you for your patience and persistence - really!

Perhaps you feel like posting a "Lessons learned" to share with others here on the FOG. I'm sure it would be helpful and inspire others.

Hans


Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #52 on: November 03, 2019, 01:25 AM »
No wonder your having problems spraying---your T-75 fell apart.......

Looks great Matt.

Tom

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #53 on: November 03, 2019, 06:12 AM »
@neilc Thanks Neil! I'm still loving the vac sys cart. It saw a lot of use on this project. I store my TSO PGS in the middle section. It's the perfect place for it.

@TSO_Products Thank you Hans. I think I will do a wrap up post when everything is done. There was a very long list of firsts for me during this. I learned a lot and am happy to share.

@tjbnwi 😁 I strip it down after every session. Seems like the only way to make sure it's clean. Takes about 10min in the utility sink.

The good news is painting is done. The finish on the frame pieces is fantastic but I wonder if I put enough on the louvers. It is so tricky to get them coated while installed.

Matt
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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #54 on: November 05, 2019, 12:13 PM »
I've started in on the install:







There's some tweaking to be done. But overall I'm pleased. The wife hasn't seen them up yet. We're having her parents over tonight for her mother's birthday. I'll be cooking up some lamb chops to celebrate.

I think I'll sit back and enjoy them for a bit before I make any more adjustments and finish painting the hanging strips. Still have to do the children's play room, but those can wait after I saw my son raking a toy car on the shutters that are in there now.
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Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #55 on: November 05, 2019, 07:22 PM »
What an improvement, Matt!  Well done!   [thumbs up]
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Offline Gregor

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #56 on: November 05, 2019, 07:55 PM »
Nice.

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #57 on: November 05, 2019, 08:09 PM »
Looks very nice Matt.

Tom

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #58 on: November 07, 2019, 02:50 PM »
@Sparktrician @Gregor @tjbnwi

Thank you for the compliments. And to everyone else that has followed along.

I went ahead and installed the rest of them to get them out of my shop.



And with that I can put this behind me. Now to not think about shutters for a good long time. I have some things I want to do to my workshop during the holidays before starting in on an office overhaul. I'm sure I'll be starting another thread when the time comes. It'll involve removing a closet, building a built in desk, some flooring and drywall work. Should only take me about 5 years to complete at the rate I work.  ;D
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Re: Plantation shutter madness
« Reply #59 on: November 07, 2019, 08:25 PM »
Matt,
what a wonderful and tasteful enhancement to the traditional architecture of your home. Anyone can start a project - but you finished it - beautifully!

Enjoy! while  we look forward too your next thread.
Haas