DIY guy only, 56 and wanting this to be my first/last sander in life. Only gets occasional work.

I’m going to purchase a Powermatic 209hh planer & Powermatic 8” HH jointer this month. I looked at their dds225 and read a lot about wrapping/ changing paper problems. At this point I’m skeptical of that model? Does Powermatic make another you would suggest?

What other brand/model would you suggest?

It’s not a huge deal but the Powermatic dealer is offering an additional 5% on all 3 machines if I order together in February.

Appreciate any input or questions

@Thompmd back up just a bit and let us know what you intend to do please.

The Powermatic sander you reference is a 25 inch dual drum stationary sander. It is significantly different than a hand sander. Are you going to be using this in a production environment? Are you going to be running miles of material through it?

Ron

I wouldn't describe the Powermatic DDS225 as a finish sander. It's used more like a planer to thickness boards. The finest grit paper available is 220 grit. You'll still need a proper finish sander, my favorite is the ETS EC 125.

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As Cheese mentioned you will probably still need to use a hand sander even if you have put your pieces through a big drum sander. Drum sanders can sometimes leave a series of "lines" in the piece that need to be smoothed out. Even if they come out perfectly, they likely won't be smooth enough and need to be sanded some more.

The Rotex sanders have a steep learning curve even in random orbit mode. They are not a perfect finish sander. Can you get a great surface finish from them? Yes, but it requires great attention to your technique. It doesn't take much to mess up.

You might want to consider adding a half sheet sander to your stable. The RS2 is one option. It does a great job of keeping things flat by its very nature. Even then I like to finish with a random orbit sander.

I have an ETS150/3. I used to think that it was not possible to create a better sander. It was and is a joy to use. However, once I bought the ETS EC series, I honestly have not touched it since.

Personally I would only suggest the stationary sander if you were churning out a significant about of end grain cutting boards or tons of shop sawn veneer were a part of your process. Or if you had to clean up a bunch of intricate cnc produced parts. Even then I'd hold out for a wide belt machine. Most hobbyists don't have the deep pockets or the required power to run a wide belt.

Ron

The EC series is more of lower profile/ palm type sander where the ETS 150/3 is taller in profile. All depends on what you prefer. Tons of reviews of both on YT.

Drum sanders are great. I love mine. Super handy when you glue up panels, cutting boards, really anytime you glue multiple pieces side by side. I have an old Performax (which was bought by Jet). They are the guys that basically invented the cantilever style drum sander and after their sale they restarted as SuperMax. So you can look at Jet, Super Max and Powermatic. In the PM 2244 and the others of that style you get that open ended design that has the potential to allow you to go all the way to a 44” table top. I have only used that feature a few times on mine over the years but if you are going to make glue ups wider than 25” you should consider that.

For me, I make a decent amount of end grain cutting boards and flattening them in the drum sander is so much safer and better than a planer (even if it’s helical). As mentioned here, they do however come out with some tracks (deep scratches) that need to be removed. My first Festool sander was an ETS EC which I love but although it took those tracks out it certainly took some time and effort. I went looking for a better option and ended up buying a Rotex. So you are covered there. As a side note, you might want to invest in an ETS EC some day as purely a finish sander as they are a lot more comfortable to use than a Rotex but that is an economic decision more than anything (as you are already making your a Rotex work for you).

Lastly, I want to talk about dust collection for any drum sander that you end up with. Drum sanders put out and absolute storm of dust and dust collection is a MUST. If you already have a DC then you are good. Just know that if you have a DC with a canister type filter the drum sander is going to cause that filter to clog much more quickly if there is no cyclone in line. There are many good ways to deal with it. I added a Super Dust Deputy with a small drum in between my drum sander and my cyclone so that I did not have to clean / replace my filter as often. It works great! I only mention this because you seem like someone who does their homework up front and I don’t want you to be surprised by this need later. It just depends on what type of DC set up you have.

Thank you everyone for your replies, they’re  really appreciated!

The planer/sander are ordered, I held off on the sander at this point. I have an EL coming this week to run power for them. Jointer(pm60hh)is suppose to arrive 3/1 and the planer(pm209hh) is 4/19.

In regards to dust collection I currently have a “few” feet(3-4’) of clear flex hose that goes into 4” hard pipe, through woodriver aluminum blast gates. It goes into 30gal trash can using a woodriver cyclone lid then to a 2hp 1200cfm 1ph,230v 2-micron canister kit(model dc-1200vx-ck1).

My concern/question is if it will do an adequate job with the 20” planer??? Anyone have thoughts on that?

Im just a hobby guy, very low volume.

As always thank you