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Title: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: neilc on September 02, 2020, 12:23 PM
I've had a Kapex on a Kapex MFT for years.  Just moved into a new home and shop and decided to rethink how I wanted to build out a bench,.

The design was based on a mobile base I made a couple of years ago for my Shaper Origin - small and mobile with systainer storage and a MDF top with 20mm hole grid.  It's referenced here - on reply 9 - https://festoolownersgroup.com/index.php?pretty;board=festool-how-to;topic=mft3-users.msg547589#msg547589 (https://festoolownersgroup.com/index.php?pretty;board=festool-how-to;topic=mft3-users.msg547589#msg547589)

On this setup, I went a bit wider to house three stacks of Systainers on each side of the Kapex, a lower shelf and an MDF top with a t-track.  The two side benches lock to the MFT using KD bolts and dogs in the MFT dog holes.  See a couple of photos below

Top includes a t-track with adjustment block that aligns to the Kapex fence.  I found the tape in in/mm from FastCap and it was an easy install. 

Used all Sys AZ drawers with adjustment holes drilled on 16mm spacing to give me more flexibility when installing the Systainers.  The top is about 24 1/2" deep and each side is about 4'10" long giving me 6' cutoff length from the Kapex blade on each side.  Total width is about 12'.

The lower rear section behind the Systainers on each side has adjustable shelving for items I seldom need but want to store out of the way.  With the top overhang I can reach long items from the end if needed or in 3 minutes disconnect the bench from the MFT and roll it out.

This design also lets me position the two benches in an open area of my 3 car garage for larger project assembly.



Benches are below cabinets on the back wall of a 3-car garage.

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Benches attach to the MFT table with two brackets that use bench dogs in the MFT table and a Knock-down fastener from under the benches.  This pulls everything square but makes for very quick detachment for movement

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I chose to go with a 'no-fence' approach for cutoff repeatability and simply use a sliding guide in a t-track.  This t-track is Festool clamp compatible, sourced from McMaster-Carr

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Bench uses dust collection from the central unit, plumbed with fittings from Rockler using their 2.5" clear pipe and blast gates.

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I have a SketchUp plan if anyone is interested.

Neil
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: Rick Herrick on September 02, 2020, 12:55 PM
This is very cool.  Really like the entire setup.  Thank you for posting. 
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: ChuckM on September 02, 2020, 01:49 PM
Those wall cupboards are a great feature in your shop. Of course the sawstache shroud and thin sacrificial fence didn't escape my attention. [big grin]
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: ear3 on September 02, 2020, 02:37 PM
That's fab!  Presumably the side cabinets really stiffen the MFT as well.
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: ChuckM on September 02, 2020, 04:03 PM
I've had a Kapex on a Kapex MFT for years.  Just moved into a new home and shop and decided to rethink how I wanted to build out a bench,.
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Question: In your new shop set-up, are there any benefits of using the MFT table at all?
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: CeeJay on September 02, 2020, 05:11 PM
Very nice Neil!


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Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: jobsworth on September 02, 2020, 08:41 PM
Neil thats awesome. Ive been thinking about the miter saw station I was going to build for my shop. It was simular to yours. But yours is mine on steroids. Im going to use it if ya dont mind. Except mine is going to be stationary no wheels.    [not worthy]
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: brentgrizzle on September 02, 2020, 09:24 PM
Wow!  Really cool setup.  How does your dust collection work on the Kapex?  Have you compared your setup to having a dedicated CT extractor to the kapex?
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: neilc on September 02, 2020, 11:09 PM
I think it works well.  The DC is about 8’ direct run from the Kapex and I find it to be better than in my old shop where it was maybe 25’ away with multiple angles to navigate.  I have a CT26 and a CTSys in the shop but really wanted the main stationery tools to be connected to the DC.


So far I like it.  I have the DC controlled via a Belkin smart plug, so I can control it via Alexa or my iPhone (Homekit) which has worked well for me.  My full shop air compressor is similarly controlled that way as well.


Neil
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: neilc on September 02, 2020, 11:16 PM
Those wall cupboards are a great feature in your shop. Of course the sawstache shroud and thin sacrificial fence didn't escape my attention. [big grin]

Thanks Chuck.  You have a good eye!  The sawstache helps a lot - I think it also came from FastCap.

The cabinets make a huge difference.  I have a similar number on the sides of the garage. 
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: neilc on September 02, 2020, 11:19 PM
I've had a Kapex on a Kapex MFT for years.  Just moved into a new home and shop and decided to rethink how I wanted to build out a bench,.
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Question: In your new shop set-up, are there any benefits of using the MFT table at all?

I debated doing a dropped shelf between the benches rather than the MFT, but I had the Kapex MFT and the home-made extensions and decided to keep them.   I have a farm about 3 hours away and there are times when I may want to bring tools there so I decided keeping the smaller MFT might make sense.

Also, I do like the lower shelf that spans the leg braces that I made for it as well as for my larger MFT. 

Thanks for the comments!
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: neilc on September 02, 2020, 11:21 PM
That's fab!  Presumably the side cabinets really stiffen the MFT as well.

Edward - yes - much more sturdy since they become one unit.  The wheels are double locking casters so there is really no movement in the table at all.
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: Cheese on September 03, 2020, 11:43 AM
Nice setup Neil...real nice. [big grin]

I like the dogs used for registration to make sure the side benches are firmly in place and aligned. That way the tapes are always accurate.  [smile]

Like the stache...I've been threatening for 5 years to install one...I need to get off of my duff.

I'd argue that with the Kapex tied into the central DC system, that provides better dust retrieval than a dedicated Festool vac.
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: neilc on September 04, 2020, 06:06 PM
@Cheese - if you do the stache I ended up making a rigid frame from 1/2” x .005 brass stock that the Stache is then riveted to.  I could not get it to hold a proper ‘U’ shape to capture the dust without the supplemental wraparound brace of brass.  Food for thought.

It does make significant difference in funneling the dust, BTW.
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: ChuckM on September 04, 2020, 06:26 PM
The brass piece sounds like a good solution. When I made mine, I overlapped the whiskers.
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: Cheese on September 05, 2020, 09:27 AM
Thanks for the tip @neilc  [big grin]

Do you you remove the standard Kapex boot and use just the stache instead?

Did you use the 2" or the 4" version?
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: ChuckM on September 05, 2020, 11:23 AM
2 is too short; 4" or longer and trim if necessary. Consider having an extra original rubber shroud for working with thick stock.
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: rvieceli on September 05, 2020, 04:10 PM
@neilc very nicely done set up.

What dust collector are you using?

thanks

Ron
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: neilc on September 05, 2020, 08:57 PM
@neilc very nicely done set up.

What dust collector are you using?

thanks

Ron

It’s a Laguna - 1.5hp.  Works well though I think with my new 12” Jet jointer/planer that I might want a bigger bin. 
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: neilc on September 05, 2020, 08:59 PM
Thanks for the tip @neilc  [big grin]

Do you you remove the standard Kapex boot and use just the stache instead?

Did you use the 2" or the 4" version?

It’s 4”.  I’m out of town but will share photos when I am back on Monday of how I did the attachment.

Kapex boot was removed. 

Neil
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: Cheese on September 06, 2020, 09:57 AM
Thanks @ChuckM  and @neilc for the info.  [big grin]  I will order a 12" chunk of 4" stache.
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: jobsworth on September 06, 2020, 07:49 PM
Heres simular miter station. Though not as fancy as the ops its describes the contruction of simular indeed/outfeed miter saw tables

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDrmjhCO-zc
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: neilc on September 13, 2020, 03:16 PM

Thanks for the tip @neilc  [big grin]


Do you you remove the standard Kapex boot and use just the stache instead?






Did you use the 2" or the 4" version?


It’s 4”.  I’m out of town but will share photos when I am back on Monday of how I did the attachment.


Kapex boot was removed. 


Neil


Here are a few more photos, @Cheese that might help.  The brass was maybe 1/2" x .0625.  Bent in a 'U' to wrap around the existing boot to hold the Stache in place.  It is a 4" Stache..


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Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: TSO_Products on September 13, 2020, 04:20 PM
- leave it to Neil to keep raising the bar!

what can I say/ beautifully thought out, designed an executed. Heck, Neil, you don't need to sign your posts - we know who it is just by looking at it - really [smile]

And congratulations on your new home!

Hans
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: neilc on September 13, 2020, 04:56 PM
@TSO Products  - Hans you might have noticed some of your dogs! 
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: TSO_Products on September 13, 2020, 05:00 PM
- Yes, Neil, and we have something new in production for that particular purpose, too.
I'll give you a ring  after dinner sometime soon!

Hans
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: Cheese on September 14, 2020, 01:37 AM
Thanks for the update @neilc  there was some confusion on my part when you mentioned that the support strip was only .005" thick.

Photos are incredibly informative, that's why I attempt to include them with every post.

I'll post a photo of the stache once I've installed it on the Kapex.

Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: MADC on March 16, 2021, 10:43 AM
Thank you for sharing @neillc!  Just found this thread from, super impressed with your Kapex station- any chance for a shop tour or a view of the other walls?  In your three-car, would love to know your tracksaw set-up.

Hope I'm not being too forward, just your space is really something to aspire to- thank you again.

MADC
-Mike
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: Dr. P. Venkman on March 24, 2021, 12:29 PM
I know this is from a while back, but terrific setup!

@neilc I'm doing something similar with a fenceless t-track in the benchtop and have been debating about how to best install the fastcap tape scale.  I've been considering either trying to find t-track with space on the aluminum for the tape or just attaching the tape to the surface. It looks like yours is directly on the surface - how has that worked for you, and did you cut a recess for the tape or just put it on the top of the MDF?

Thanks.
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: Don T on March 24, 2021, 02:24 PM
Nice miter station!  I like the use of the dog holes for squaring the cabinets to the MFT.
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: neilc on March 24, 2021, 10:28 PM
Thanks for the kind words! 

I routed a shallow groove in the bench top to inset the FastCap tape and it’s worked very well.  They use amazing double stick tape and the measuring tape finish has shown no wear from lots of wood sliding across the tables.
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: Imemiter on March 24, 2021, 11:16 PM
I'll pile on.  ;D
Around the time I started using FOG I saw this thread and downloaded the first photo, filing it away in a folder full of good ideas. Every so often I'd come across that picture until about a month ago I thought I'd better search-out this thread and add it to a bookmark folder (full of good ideas.) I'm still in the thick of sitework now, but someday when I settle down some version of this will be the shop I put together. Thanks for putting together so many good ideas and posting Neil. 
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: ScotF on March 25, 2021, 12:53 AM
This is a great station for sure.
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: jarbroen on April 02, 2021, 11:05 AM
@neilc I've eyeballed this thread more than once, excellent setup you built!

I've been noodling on building something similar which brought me back for another look.  I was wondering what you did behind the systainers and noticed you said storage from the side or back for long items.  Do you have any photos of that?

I currently have a Kapex cart now with 21" drawer slides.  It's fine if I build drawers to use the full space, but a waste if I want a systainer accessible at the front.  Now that I say that, I suppose I could design an accessories bin at the back of the Systainer pullouts.
However, it would be cool to see the ideas you came up with to utilize the back part of the carts. 
If I build a setup like that the ends would be blocked by other tools when it's against the wall.  I wouldn't want to pull out the carts to get to stuff I'd need frequently.

I also like the flat tops - I'm thinking of using one side to incorporate a SYS-Vac setup to hold the pump and quick way to mount the heads for clamping.  The no fence option means more usable work surface in that scenario.

I've also contemplated cart(s) under MFT's, but I like your idea of organized wall space better - plus the additional workspace to pull out when needed. 

Thanks!
Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: neilc on April 07, 2021, 01:00 PM
@jarbroen


Here's a photo of a similar bench I built for my Shaper Origin.


Back of the unit has a 4" deep shelf that essentially takes the space behind the Sys-AZ drawers.  Could have been deeper if your needs require.  Could also have kept the space inside, but the Sys-AZ drawers are only so deep!  Shelves are adjustable.


I use those behind the Kapex benches for extra sandpaper, extra rails for my MFT and a variety of other items.


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Title: Re: New pair of Kapex extension benches
Post by: jarbroen on April 07, 2021, 05:58 PM
Awesome, thanks for sharing the picture!  That's a great use of the space.  I'm sure I could put some of the less used fences, mitre gauges, etc. back there.  Keep my shop looking tidier instead of junk all over the walls!