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Offline 10digit

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My entertainment center
« on: July 17, 2008, 11:05 PM »
Do any of you remember what you were doing in the wee hours of Black Friday last fall?  I was waiting in the freezing cold for a killer deal on a plasma TV along with about 300 of my newly found friends.  Picked up a Panasonic 50" plasma for a great price.   We had been looking at furniture catalogs and showrooms for ideas to house our new TV.  I also scoured the internet looking for plans, but mostly found dated ideas for cabinets to hold 32" sets.  I began mentally designing a cabinet to house the TV but waited until I had the unit home before I set out to formally design it.  At about the same time I discovered Sketchup which helped greatly with rendering in 3D.  While the TV sat on a table in the middle of the family room, I toiled with design after design trying to minimize the footprint while ensuring to capture all of the design elements needed:  we wanted a center console that held TV,  components and had media storage, plus 2 towers for speakers and display objects and a center arch for the center channel speaker and picture display.

Since this would be built in my basement shop, it had to be built in multiple pieces that would be put together to create a wall unit.  With the amount of plywood required to build this (about 6 sheets) I realized that I needed some type of saw guide to knock the sheet goods down to a manageable size - it just too difficult working by myself to do this successfully on my table saw.  I started looking for a saw guide for my circular saw and was dissatisfied by what was available - that's when I first found the TS-55 and down the slope I went, head first!

Over the next few posts, I will attach pictures that show some of the assembly.  I wish I had captured more of the use of my Festools, but trust me, I could not have managed to do this without them.  Here is a shot of the center cabinet base being layed up: 



This shot show the center cabinet with sides, movable shelves and top installed:



Here is one of the towers in final glue up.  As they say, you can never have enough clamps - I even resorted to utilizing spring pressure against the ceiling and floor to clamp the areas where conventional clamps could not apply pressure:



This shot shows the unit with the 4 pieces temporarily joined, prior to crown molding installation: 



OK, that's enough for tonight.  I'll add more to the story soon.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2008, 11:10 PM by 10digit »
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Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2008, 11:10 PM »
10, you're off to a good start, looking forward to seeing the rest of the project.

Offline 10digit

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2008, 11:20 PM »
OK, a little more since I am about to go on vacation.

The next image shows where the TS-55 really shines.  I made a little mistake where the center arch was not exactly square in the back.  Normally I wouldn't even care since no one can see it, but hey, if I can trim a little by bringing the saw to the work, why not try.  I had to remove about a 1/8" overhang on the back - actually it was a taper cut where one end was flush and the other end projected out about 1/8".  I set the saw guide directly on the assembly and cut through from nothing to 1/8" and it came out perfect.  Even the off cut is still intact and perfect.  Here is the setup:







Can anybody else's saw do this?>>



OK, I really have to go now.  I'll post more shortly.
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Offline Robert Robinson

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2008, 12:56 AM »
your quest to find something to break down sheets is exactly the same as mine. your project looks great too.
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Offline Rey Johnson

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2008, 05:26 AM »
It looks like the project is coming along very nicely. I agree with you, it feels good to know that you can easily correct mistakes and get everything squared up...even if you're likely the only one to know of the imperfection.

You mentioned using SketchUp first. Does you project match up with your SketchUp design?
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Offline Bill Wyko

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2008, 12:08 PM »
Very nice job. I look forward to seeing the completed project.
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Offline greg mann

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2008, 02:55 PM »
10, it looks great but, judging from the last shot in your original post, I don't think you're going to enjoy the new wide screen so much with that  post blocking your view. ::)
Greg Mann
Oakland, Michigan

Offline Dave Ronyak

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2008, 10:38 AM »
10digit,

Very nice job.  Your design looks great.  Please supply more details on its modular construction.  Please also tell us more about your Sketch-Up efforts.  I downloaded Sketch-Up only a couple of days ago, and have yet to learn how to actually use it.  I have done a couple of their work-along training videos (including the one in which you design a simple chair), but that is a far cry from the number of details needed to design an entertainment center.

Yesterday I ordered the plywood and lumber needed to make an even larger entertainment center, approximately 7ft H, and 9 1/2 ft W.  Like your design, the main (central) unit will house the TV and the the electronics and CD/DVD storage area will be below the TV.  The central unit will be approximately 22" D x 51" W x 84" H, and will require 3 sheets of 3/4" plywood in addition to solid oak lumber to construct.  On each side of the central unit will be one or two side units, each of the same height as the central unit, and about 28" W x 16" D, with most of the shelves to be adjustable.  My wife wants the central unit to be able to be equipped with doors to hide the TV when not in use, which means making the central unit larger than would be required otherwise to accomodate sliding rack mechanisms for the doors, each of which will have to be made of two panels with a center hinge if they are to fold and slide back into the case.  All of my main concerns relate to the large size and weight of the central unit - moving pieces around the shop without inflicting any damagae to them or yourself to complete various operations, especially finishing, and later moving the central unit or sub-modules from the shop to my living room.  How are you dealing with those issues?

I don't want to hijack your excellent thread.  I look forward to seeing more progress reports from you, including finishing steps. 

I will start a new thread for my efforts, which will also to include an unusual design [inverted pyramid] coffee table to match the general design theme of the entertainment center [a bunch of cubes or stacked square boxes].  Both should serve as additional good illustrations of the value of Festool's TS 55 and Guide Rail system, Domino and LR 32, OF 1400 and sanders.  I really need to go buy a digital camera!

Dave R.
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Offline Jim Kirkpatrick

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2008, 12:39 PM »
Dave,  I've tried the Sketchup tutorials with limited success.  But I found Gary Katz's tutorials to be very helpful: http://www.garymkatz.com/charts_drawings.html

Offline 10digit

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2008, 10:36 PM »
OK, I'm back from vacation and ready to continue this saga.  This picture shows one of the two towers that flank the base unit.  If you look carefully, you will see a cleat on the upper right hand wall that catches the center arch unit.  The arch also rests on top of the tower's leg.  By the way, the legs were built by cutting a 45 degree miter on each face and putting together with a lot of glue and duct tape to hold the assemblies square.  I also inserted some 2X stock inside the hollow of each leg so that my mortise and tenon joints would have something to grab hold of.  The reason for all this effort was so that the quarter sawn figure is seen from all 4 faces of the leg.  If I had simply glued up several pieces of stock, there would have bee 2 quarter sawn faces and 2 plain sawn which I did not want.



To address Dave's concerns about how to move around the shop, I used one of those furniture dollies from Harbor Freight to place the center unit and be able to move the base unit (and get it out of the way) since my basement shop is limited in size:




I'll second the Gary Katz Sketchup tutorial.  I learned more in 30 minutes with this than hours of using the instructions that came with the product.  The Wood Whisperer also does a nice job with his tutorial as well.  If someone can tell me how, I'll post my sketchup files that you can play around with to get an idea of the design.  Once you get proficient, there are many pre-built models in the Sketchup community.  I did a search,  for instance on a Scientific Atlanta cable/DVR box and voila, my unit was built by someone.  I was able to download it and place it into my drawing to scale!  I also found my Panasonic plasma TV although it was the 42" model so I stretched it to achieve the proper dimensions.  Spend the time to learn the program - its awesome for rendering large scale projects.

Another point to consider on a large scale project is how large of a span you can create without sag.  The upper shelf which is actually the floor of the upper arch is a torsion box design.  I took several pieces of hardwood and skinned them with veneer plywood to create a very rigid structure that is over 55" wide with no supports in the middle, just the cleats and sitting on top of the tower legs.  So far, no sag.

I also tried making crown molding on the table saw using 4/4 quarter sawn white oak cut on a bias raising the blade about 1/8 per pass.  This is actually a very easy process.  The hard part is getting the blade marks out of the finished molding.  I don't own a detail sander so it was hours of hand sanding using foam pipe wrap with various grits of sand paper to achieve a smooth finish.  The alternative was to have a shop custom make the moldings which is quite expensive when you only need 20 feet - the setup fees killed the deal.  Here is a look at the finished moldings:



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Offline Bill Wyko

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2008, 12:47 AM »
Your project is comming along quite nicely. Beautiful job.
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Offline 10digit

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2008, 02:13 PM »
The units were stained with General Finishes maple followed up with 4-5 coats of water based polycrylic shot from an Wagner HVLP gun (thanks Gleem Paint).  This was my first effort spraying and I must say that it went very well.  For large surface areas and for getting into all the tight spaces inside of a cabinet, nothing beats shootin' the finish.  I was able to lay down several light coats per day in my garage sanding with 400 between coats to keep it smooth.  It has a nice glow without being overly shiny.  If I had to do it over, I would have probably filled the grain before I stained as the white oak's grain pores are quite open.  Even with 5 coats of poly, the open pores are still noticeable, not necessarily bad, but just something to point out.  I chose water based because of the fumes and cleanup issues with oil based.  Since I have no experience with either, the learning curve, in my opinion, is the same and from what I read, water is where the world is headed.  Here is the base unit going in:



Doors open:



Here are the two towers against the base:



And here is the completed unit with the arch topper:



Now behind doors number 1 and 2...




Lastly a side view:



Due to the size and weight loaded with components, I had to devise a method to move the unit(s) around and to allow access to the back just in case.  I decided to use stem casters and tee nuts buried in the base to allow the unit to be raised and lowered by screwing the stem in and out on the tee nut.  I took each caster and cut a slot for a screw driver using a hack saw in the top of the threads.  Then I drilled 4 holes in the floor of each cabinet to allow access to the caster stem.  The tee nuts are mounted into the base support structure.  A few turns with a screwdriver and the cabinet levitates off the floor for easy maneuvering.  Screw back down and the unit rests on its base. 

Well thanks for letting me share my first project with my Festools with all of you.  While there was certainly a lot of work done with my Powermatic and Delta equipment, the TS55, Rotex and my RTS400 sanders raised the bar and made things go a lot easier that they would have with my traditional tooling.   I have even programmed my wife to understand that every new project requires some new Fessie!  She's cool with it.


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Offline Bob Swenson

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2008, 03:16 PM »
10,

Great job, out standing

Bob

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2008, 04:47 PM »
Ditto!

Offline poto

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2008, 07:59 PM »
That's awesome. Great design, excellent execution. Very nice job indeed.

Offline tvgordon

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2008, 07:09 PM »
Very nice entertainment center!

Your center cabinet is similar to what I'm building to replace one of those pressed wood screw together cabinets.  I was just going to build the center cabinet, but after seeing how nice yours looks with the surround and side cabinets, I might want to add something like that to mine too.  Thanks for posting this project.

I don't suppose you have any designs for a corner display cabinet (I might build one for my parents for Christmas)? ;)

Tom.

Offline 10digit

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2008, 08:57 AM »
Sorry but I don't have any designs for a corner display cabinet.  I usually poke around the various magazine web sites and furniture catalogs for inspiration.  One of my favorite stores to visit is Stickley, or if you are really into the Shaker look, you have to visit Thomas Moser- their designs are timeless.

Thanks to everyone for the compliments - it means a lot coming from a group of like minded individuals who appreciate the effort and are as interested in the journey as the destination.
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Offline Bill Wyko

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2008, 02:37 PM »
That turned out fantastic. Nice job.
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Offline Rey Johnson

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2008, 04:20 PM »
10,

That is a GREAT entertainment center!!!! This is an inspiring project, if ever I saw one!!!
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Offline Overtime

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2008, 07:35 PM »
Wow that's nice.
Love the sides of the cabinet (last pic)
Patrick

Offline greg mann

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2008, 01:22 PM »
I have to say, this is beautiful work!!

However, according to Nils, this is impossible to accomplish with Festool equipment. So it is either a figment of our imaginations or, like Rey's MFT work, a product of staged shots taken in the Nevada desert.  ::)

All kidding aside, this is just terrific work. You are going to be getting complements on its beauty for years to come.
Greg Mann
Oakland, Michigan

Offline Robert Robinson

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2008, 02:39 PM »
great work. I want to do one now.  ;D
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Offline Dave Ronyak

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2008, 01:30 AM »
10digit,

Great job all around - design, construction, finish and tutorial!  I think you are likely to draw many more compliments from those who see this project.

Thanks for the tips on moving the work-in-progress around the shop (mover's dolly) and how to make the unit mobile if access to the back is needed after final assembly in a room of the house (threaded stem casters with T-nuts).  Before reading of your approach, I was thinking of load levelers with a similar threaded shank that is configured to accept a hex key (Allen wrench) internally of rhe stem.  The bottoms of the load levlers could be equipped with those low friction glides since my unit is intended to be installed in a room with wall-to-wall carpet where small casters don't work very well.

One question regarding the water-based finish that you chose.  I have read that some WB finishes react with the tannic acid in oak causing discloration.  Did you take any steps to prevent this, or does the stain that you first applied act as a sealer against such reaction, or ir the General Finish brand product not reactive with oak?  (My entertainment center is being made of oak.)

sToolman,

Thanks for the reminder/tip/link to Gary Katz's tutorials on use of SketchUp.  I'll definitely look into them.  But I couldn't wait for my SketchUp skills to catch up to my hand drafting skills and my desire to get started cutting wood.  Tonight I cut all the oak plywood panels needed for the center unit and two bookcases to be positioned on the sides of the center unit.  I used my shopmade Guide Rail Side Stops to facilitate repeat cuts with my TS 55 and 3000 mm Guide Rail.   A simple way to achieve excellent repeatability of cut width.

If anyone else is considering building an entertainment center, I recommend they check out the latest issue  (Oct. 2008) of Fine Woodworking.  In that issue is an excellent article beginning on page 58 by Steve Casey describing how he designs and assembles a low console for a home theater.  He uses many loose biscuits for location of wood components together with screws to secure many of those components.  I plan to substitute Domino joints; I do not have a biscuit joiner.   Unfortunately for me, to achieve the visual effect my wife wants, I cannot use many of his construction ideas and techniques.

Dave R.
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Offline 10digit

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2008, 09:45 AM »
Dave,

I was not familiar with the water base finish reacting with the tannic acid in the oak.  But I would have to venture a guess that you are correct that the oil stain sealed the bare wood.  I used both veneer plywood and 4/4 stock in the construction of this project, all of which is quarter sawn white oak.  This is my third project using this species although the entertainment unit is the first with WB finish.  I also built a side board hutch with a granite top and a coffee table (from a Woodsmith magazine plan).

Maybe some of the other members are more familiar with this issue, or you might want to speak with customer service at General Finishes.  I used Minwax Polycrylic because:  I needed a lot of it - I used almost a gallon and a half on this project and was in a hurry, and was able to get it at Lowes.  Didn't spray very well at first, called Minwax and advised what I was doing and they said it was not recommended for spray application.  Then they said you can spray it if you dilute it 10% with water, which I did and it sprayed fine.  The next time I do a water based finish, I will go with a material designed for spray and supported as such.

BTW- those casters on the bottom of my unit are pretty big and are rated at 150 lbs. each so they do roll on carpet fairly well.
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Offline Dave Ronyak

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2008, 01:36 PM »
10digit,

Thanks for the tips on spraying the Miniwax WB material.  My experience with spray applied WB coatings is limited to Oxford (Target Coatings) WB shellac and WB lacquer.  I first used these on a few pieces of shop storage cabinets made from Chinese birch plywood from HD - shellac as a sealer followed by topcoats of lacquer.  More recently I used these same products to refinish some old pieces of furniture.  One was a maple dresser, the other a shaker lamp table made of American chestnut.  Both came out well without need of any buffing of the final coat.  I used Oxford's semi-gloss lacquer.

The materials to be used in construction of my entertainment center are similar to your choices - plain-sliced red oak veneered 3/4 plywood for most panels with solid oak edging, much of it ripped from 5/4 stock because the visible front edges are to be thicker than 3/4 inch and these strips will also form a sort of frame with corner posts.   Yesterday I completed ripping all the oak ply and 5/4 strips using my TS 55, CT 22, Boom Arm and 3000mm Guide Rail to which I had to join another Guide Rail for some of the long rips of the 5/4 stock.  Even my wife was impressed with how much I got done in a day and the quality of the cut edges and especially the lack of sawdust.  I am confident she is now a Festoolie Fan, having seen the mess using conventional tools makes.

Dave R.
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Offline hissatsu

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2008, 05:11 PM »
That's a really fantastic entertainment unit. I'm planning on building one towards the end of the year, but I somehow doubt it'll measure up to this.

Pedro

Offline Chuck Kiser

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2008, 05:54 PM »
10diget,

Great job on your entertainment center. I really like the proportions you used. That is the hardest thing for me to on my own designs. I usually just keep 'tweaking' the design until it looks pleasing to my eye.

I'll second your comment on the grain of oak. But, it can't be confused with any other wood. ;D
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Offline John Langevin

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2008, 09:22 PM »
Chuck, I love the snoot on your "Schnauzer"; what breed is he/she and what is her/his name?
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Offline insurroundsound

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2008, 11:21 PM »
Nice looking unit, 10!

But where's the Center speaker?  :o I'm assuming it's only a 2-channel setup.  I'm sure surround sound is coming soon. ;D  Again, the cabinet looks really nice.

InSurroundSound
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Offline 10digit

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2008, 09:17 AM »
InSurroundSound:

I have much better luck with tools than I do with stereo equipment.  I smoked my PSB subwoofer a while back and have not replaced it yet.  There is a pair of PSB bookshelf speakers located in the towers and the center arch is specifically for a center channel (don't tell my wife - she thinks its for pictures and other dust collectors).  The Yamaha receiver is 5.1 capable.

Its really all about priorities.  Right now I am going face first down the slippery slope of the Festool mountain so my funds are tied up there.  But for the holidays I think I'll look for the speakers to complete the home theater setup.  Who knows, maybe I'll wait in line on Black Friday again for a deal!!
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Offline greg mann

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2008, 11:57 AM »
the center arch is specifically for a center channel

Stick an OF2200 in there and hook it to the remote. ;D
Greg Mann
Oakland, Michigan

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Offline Bill Wyko

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Re: My entertainment center
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2008, 08:51 PM »
Work like that and you won't have to buy your Festools, you'll be winning them. :)
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