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Offline DynaGlide

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Entryway bench
« on: March 29, 2022, 02:09 PM »
I posted in another thread about this bench I'm building for Mrs. DynaGlide. I'd like to start a topic as questions are coming up.

I don't do furniture that much mainly because it's an exercise in frustration. I don't have traditional woodworking machinery. My shop is mostly Festool with a sprinkle of DeWALT. I bought my first planer this week and shoe horned it into the corner on a mobile base.

Here's a picture of what she asked for, more or less:



I made a SketchUp of it to get me going:



I settled on S4S Cherry from my supplier because I thought it'd look nice:



Being the hack that I am I face glued several of the frame pieces together to get the parts I needed:





For the rails (aprons?) I ripped down glued up boards to make them:





After laying out the slats I made some 1/2" or so spacers out of MDF to aid in Domino placement and assembly:













By leaving the aprons/rails long I could trim each shelf to identical dimensions:



Then to get the spacing right I cut some 6.5" spacers out of MDF while I did my Domino layout lines:













That's where the frame sits now. I dry fit the aprons/shelves to the end frame pieces and it all sits flat on my MDF 'assembly table.' The plan is to pre-finish as much as I can prior to assembly. I'll be spraying since those slats are going to be a challenge otherwise. Topic for later.

I'm in the middle of working on the top. It's going to consist of about 5 3.5" wide boards glued up into a panel. Then they'll get breadboard ends to hide the end grain and help keep it flat. Everything is still oversized at this point. I'm playing around with different options for jointing the edges of the boards. I've tried using the TS55 and it works, and I'll probably do that in the end. What I don't like about that is the boards are much narrower than the track so I have to double them up side by side to give support. It makes clamping tricky. My plan was to rip both mating boards at the same time as has been discussed on the FOG and shown on YouTube videos. It's just kind of hard to do so without the boards moving on me with how narrow they are. I tried using a flush trim bit and a straight piece of MDF as a guide to do the jointing but it isn't giving me perfect results, either:



It's close, but not perfect. I'll probably go back to the TS55 at this point and figure out a better way to secure everything. When I tried screwing the ends of the boards down to hold them in place it was splitting the wood even with pre-drilling. Maybe some sandpaper and double stick tape is in order.

Anyway thanks for reading.

Matt
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Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2022, 02:45 PM »
Project looks great Matt.

I used the TS55 jointing technique and it work well. Straightens the edges and self corrects if the blade isn't perfectly 90 degrees.

Given you can adjust the distance between tops on the track tubes, how about dogs at the end of each piece and double sided tape to secure them?

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2022, 03:48 PM »
Project looks great Matt.

I used the TS55 jointing technique and it work well. Straightens the edges and self corrects if the blade isn't perfectly 90 degrees.

Given you can adjust the distance between tops on the track tubes, how about dogs at the end of each piece and double sided tape to secure them?

RMW

Dang it that's a great idea. Thanks Richard.
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Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2022, 04:13 PM »
 @Richard/RMW can you give more info on TS55 jointing technique?

Thanks

Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2022, 04:19 PM »
Matt - I like the design too. Nice and clean and somewhat rustic. Looks like you had time to polish up your Domino joining skills on this project. Can't wait to see the final result!

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2022, 04:39 PM »
Mike you just butt the two pieces to be joined edge to edge, position the guide rail so the saw kerf straddles the joined edges, and the cut is basically mirrored on each piece. If the blade is tilted slightly the tilt cancels itself out.

The edges have to be pretty close to start with since the material removed for each edge is only half the kerf. IIRC I first cut each board so then followed up by recutting at each joint. Not my idea, but I forget where I stole it from.

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@Richard/RMW can you give more info on TS55 jointing technique?

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2022, 05:12 PM »
Mike you just butt the two pieces to be joined edge to edge, position the guide rail so the saw kerf straddles the joined edges, and the cut is basically mirrored on each piece. If the blade is tilted slightly the tilt cancels itself out.

The edges have to be pretty close to start with since the material removed for each edge is only half the kerf. IIRC I first cut each board so then followed up by recutting at each joint. Not my idea, but I forget where I stole it from.

RMW





@Richard/RMW can you give more info on TS55 jointing technique?

Thanks

Bob Marino told us about this trick way back in the early days. Maybe back when FOG was still a Yahoo user group.

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2022, 05:20 PM »
Nice-looking project, Matt!  How are you going to finish the cherry?   [smile]
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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2022, 05:27 PM »
Project looks great Matt.

I used the TS55 jointing technique and it work well. Straightens the edges and self corrects if the blade isn't perfectly 90 degrees.

Given you can adjust the distance between tops on the track tubes, how about dogs at the end of each piece and double sided tape to secure them?

RMW

Dang it that's a great idea. Thanks Richard.

Dunno, after reviewing your photos again I see a disturbing lack of saw kerfs in the MFT tops... Reminded me of the last time we both shared photos on the same thread and I ended up polishing my filthy routers afterwards out of embarrassment.

I'm playing around with some new MFT tops to replace the monster cart I disassembled and your setup gave me some ideas. I've toyed with buying track tubes but have been limping along with chunks of 80/20. Any overriding benefits to the tubes?

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Offline mino

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2022, 06:06 PM »
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What I don't like about that is the boards are much narrower than the track so I have to double them up side by side to give support. It makes clamping tricky.
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Try adding an adhesive strip closer to the antisplinter strip. You can buy the adhesive strip in a roll from Festool - they sell a 10m roll at a reasonable price.

The only trick is to not put the additional strip too close to the anti-splinter one. As that would "bleed" pressure from the anti-splinter strip which needs it for its function. I have put mine about 1.5" distance from the end of the white strip and it works a sharm. It allows the anti-slip strip to sit on a piece that is about 6cm (2.5") and wider which covers most of "thin rip" cases for me. With wide material, it helps the same, so is only a benefit for me.

Was a gradual "upgrade" for me. Now I have 4 anti-slip strips on my rails. Heh. Initially was afraid to put the added one too close to anti-splinter, so put like 3.5" away. Then realized there is now space for one more and for thin rips I needded it even closer. LOL


Other way to achieve this effect temporarily, is to have some rubber strips from e.g. bicycle tube put below the rail where that 3rd strip would go to allow fixating it against the stock. The usual bike tube is about 0.8mm which works out well when 2x for the  1.5 mm gap that is there normally.

After the anti-slip setup is in place, I would use a "backing" board which I will clamp the rail to, then push the stock against that firm backing and then put down pressure on the rail by hand, so the stock cannot move during the cut once it was placed. Sounds complicated, but with the 4-strip rails, I usually do not need to use clamps as these strips are absolutely fantastic in their role.
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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2022, 06:21 PM »
Looks great so far! How do you plan to attach the Xes to the ends?
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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2022, 05:51 AM »
Matt, if you haven't already seen this method, it's another option.



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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2022, 06:32 AM »
I believe the technique is known as 'kerfing-in', not to be confused with kerf bending.

The method was used with hand saws long before power tools existed.
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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2022, 11:35 AM »
very nice , well done

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2022, 12:22 PM »
Matt, if you haven't already seen this method, it's another option.

RMW

Interesting method for using the table saw. I've edge jointed on the router table with the bit inline with an offset on the outfeed side of the fence, but only with smaller stock (<30"). I might have to try this on the table saw.
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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2022, 12:51 PM »
Matt - I like the design too. Nice and clean and somewhat rustic. Looks like you had time to polish up your Domino joining skills on this project. Can't wait to see the final result!

Mike

Thanks Mike. Yes the Domino got a real workout on this one for sure.

Nice-looking project, Matt!  How are you going to finish the cherry?   [smile]

Hey Willy - still playing around with options. It'll get Dewaxed Shellac as a first layer regardless. Then probably a dye followed by several layers of GF High Performance.

Dunno, after reviewing your photos again I see a disturbing lack of saw kerfs in the MFT tops... Reminded me of the last time we both shared photos on the same thread and I ended up polishing my filthy routers afterwards out of embarrassment.

I'm playing around with some new MFT tops to replace the monster cart I disassembled and your setup gave me some ideas. I've toyed with buying track tubes but have been limping along with chunks of 80/20. Any overriding benefits to the tubes?

RMW

@Richard/RMW That's because I don't want to cut into my TrackTubes tops. I always put something down first like so:



I just like the flexibility of the Track Tubes. I can throw a top on, it registers on their dogs and slides around and locks when I want it to. It's great for all sorts of things.

Looks great so far! How do you plan to attach the Xes to the ends?

Thank you. The X's got nixed in the final design. Had I went ahead with them I'd probably have just glued them into place.












What ended up working was a stop block at the end to keep the board from sliding forward and a couple clamps. Once I had the setup and flow going it went smooth without a hitch.

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2022, 02:44 PM »
@DynaGlide  Looking really good so far!  Thank you for all the pictures.  They really help illustrate and inform.  I was able to easily visualize how you used the TSO stop in creating those mdf
spacers you cut.

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2022, 05:13 PM »
I ended up using 11 5x30 Dominos per board to aid in alignment. I don't have an after picture but the panel came together mostly flat I'll probably have to clean it up a bit.

I was also able to take some scraps from the bench to do some cooking today:



I was out of smoking wood and figured the cherry would do nicely.

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2022, 12:23 PM »
As I mentioned earlier I wanted to do breadboard ends on this top. I watched a few YT videos to get an education but settled on this one from a fellow FOG member:











I'm not one for big roundovers so I settled on 1/8" and am pleased with the outcome:







I probably skipped some steps but with young kids and spring break this week I don't have the luxury to take pictures of everything. Very happy with how it is shaping up to this point and I'll do some final tweaking before working on finishing.

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2022, 12:41 PM »
I probably skipped some steps but with young kids and spring break this week I don't have the luxury to take pictures of everything. Very happy with how it is shaping up to this point and I'll do some final tweaking before working on finishing.

Matt
Looks great. I would reconsider dropping the dfecorative X parts. The sides look a bit baren without it, now it is complete.

Or think up some other decorative fill, not have to be X ... maybe even simple vertical "poles" would work out well. The decorative X in the original also "hides" the shoes placed in there when looked from side, makinge the whole think a bit more "woody". Having something "woody" in that area just seems right, me thinks.
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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2022, 12:44 PM »
I probably skipped some steps but with young kids and spring break this week I don't have the luxury to take pictures of everything. Very happy with how it is shaping up to this point and I'll do some final tweaking before working on finishing.

Matt
Looks great. I would reconsider dropping the dfecorative X parts. The sides look a bit baren without it, now it is complete.

Or think up some other decorative fill, not have to be X ... maybe even simple vertical "poles" would work out well. The decorative X in the original also "hides" the shoes placed in there when looked from side, makinge the whole think a bit more "woody". Having something "woody" in that area just seems right, me thinks.

You're right and that's been gnawing at me. I don't have the material left to do the X's. I could buy more. I'll give it some thought.
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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2022, 02:41 PM »
Great progress, Matt!  Looking forward to seeing how it all turns out.   [smile]
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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2022, 09:10 AM »
Is there a crafty way to get a dead on fit for the "X" pieces on the ends? I took some 3/4" MDF and clamped it where I wanted for the first piece so the corners met, marked the backside, and cut a bevel on both ends as close as I could. It got close but there were gaps on each end.

I can't really think of a better way to approach it. My plan was to get the fit right with trial and error then transfer the MDF angles/length etc to the real material.







Something like this maybe?

https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-tool-stair-tread-and-shelf-gauge-2022.html

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2022, 09:35 AM »
In cases like these I like to choose a low-tech approach and make an oversize piece and then snug up to it with a plane. What helps is the Veritas Adjustable Shooting Board I have. I use a bevel square to get the precise angle and set the shooting board to just that angle. To get the angle I do as you did and just clamp the wood to the workpiece. Try to err on the cautious side and be patient while getting close to the size you need. Lots of fitting...

https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/jigs-guides-and-fixtures/110737-veritas-shooting-board

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2022, 09:45 AM »
In cases like these I like to choose a low-tech approach and make an oversize piece and then snug up to it with a plane. What helps is the Veritas Adjustable Shooting Board I have. I use a bevel square to get the precise angle and set the shooting board to just that angle. To get the angle I do as you did and just clamp the wood to the workpiece. Try to err on the cautious side and be patient while getting close to the size you need. Lots of fitting...

https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/jigs-guides-and-fixtures/110737-veritas-shooting-board

That certainly does seem to be the best way to do this. However it's also a $500 solution  [eek] I'm looking to get into hand tools more but I think a proper jointer plane is next on the list to go with my new planer.
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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2022, 11:15 AM »
If you already own a plane that can be used for shooting [1], then I think making a shooting board with an adjustable fence should be possible and relatively low-cost. As long as you have a good bevel square it should be doable. Of course, I don't know if you own such a plane.

[1] #5 and #5 1/2 Planes are quite popular for this purpose over here. It doesn't have to be a shooting plane. It just has to have square sides. And a bit of mass would be highly preferable as well.

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2022, 11:17 AM »
I would forego the X at this point. The "original" likely had it made mortise/tenon/domino way when it was being assembled.

Try cutting a couple pieces of MDF for vertical "stiles" in the same place the X was - to gear how it would present.

You can fix vertical stiles there relatively easy by through-screws and visually it should work as well or an upside-down semi-open "V" "supporting" the bench etc. etc., does not have to be "X" to provide the function.

Example below - not a suggestion.
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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2022, 11:23 AM »
That still means Matt has to create cuts at the right angle and the right distance. And for 2 semi-diagonals on each side at that. More work and as far as I can see not much easier to do. Just one diagonal per side should be enough for stability. You'd loose symmetry, but it would mean less work.

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2022, 11:27 AM »
That still means Matt has to create cuts at the right angle and the right distance. And for 2 semi-diagonals on each side at that. More work and as far as I can see not much easier to do. Just one diagonal per side should be enough for stability. You'd loose symmetry, but it would mean less work.
The difference is that your cuts do not have to be (absolutely) precise - you can put the piece in and then rotate half a degree etc. You cannot do that with an X part which is "fixed" in all axes except the one pushing it in. So a tracksaw bevel will do while for the X not so much..
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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2022, 01:32 PM »
Perhaps a contrasting material, i.e. steel or ??? Something where the joint isn't highlighted.

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2022, 02:41 PM »
In cases like these I like to choose a low-tech approach and make an oversize piece and then snug up to it with a plane. What helps is the Veritas Adjustable Shooting Board I have. I use a bevel square to get the precise angle and set the shooting board to just that angle. To get the angle I do as you did and just clamp the wood to the workpiece. Try to err on the cautious side and be patient while getting close to the size you need. Lots of fitting...

https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/jigs-guides-and-fixtures/110737-veritas-shooting-board

That certainly does seem to be the best way to do this. However it's also a $500 solution  [eek] I'm looking to get into hand tools more but I think a proper jointer plane is next on the list to go with my new planer.


Since you'd be making relative adjustments anyway, why not build a quick one out of MDF?  If you like it enough to want to keep it, then buy the Veritas once the MDF is worn out.

I'll give you my handplane advice- FWIW.  I ended up with a complete set, from 2 thru 8, before I discovered that all I really needed was the 5 1/2.  Furniture parts are short enough that you can joint and shoot with it.  And a power planer means your panels will be close enough to dead flat that you can smooth with it, too.  All the other sizes really only make sense if you're working with rough timber and entirely without power tools. 

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2022, 02:55 PM »
I largely do agree with you. However, if you make things with wide boards in/on them, then I do believe a good #7 will get you to places where a powered planer can't. Most of those machines are in the 12-16" range. Boards for tables are wider than that. I like to use a jointer in such cases. Some might be able to get the same results with a #5 1/2 but I am not (yet) skilled enough for that, it seems.

But, as I told DynaGlide, I might not be the best person to give advice when it comes to planes, as for me the cool-aid is not only of the green kind, but of the sharp-bladed metal kind too. I have more planes than a sensible person would spend his money on. [embarassed]

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2022, 07:22 PM »
I largely do agree with you. However, if you make things with wide boards in/on them, then I do believe a good #7 will get you to places where a powered planer can't. Most of those machines are in the 12-16" range. Boards for tables are wider than that. I like to use a jointer in such cases. Some might be able to get the same results with a #5 1/2 but I am not (yet) skilled enough for that, it seems.

But, as I told DynaGlide, I might not be the best person to give advice when it comes to planes, as for me the cool-aid is not only of the green kind, but of the sharp-bladed metal kind too. I have more planes than a sensible person would spend his money on. [embarassed]

Kind of like me with routers? I have had people ask me if I have a router for every bit? To which I respond by pulling the Systainer out and opening the lid. Not even close. Those are only the 1/4" and 1/2" shanks, the 8mm are in a drawer in the big tool box.
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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2022, 05:45 AM »
Guilty as charged!  [scared] [wink]

I haven't counted them, but it is more than a sensible non-professional person would have. I really do like using them, but have to admit I could use some improving of my skills. I am getting better, but still have a lot to learn. It is just that I like using them. I find them beautiful, I like their noiselessness, and I like the feel of the wood after planing it. I don't even mind the sharpening (now you definitely know there's something wrong with me!  [big grin] ) . Although I am thinking of adding a Sorby ProEdge next to my collection of Shaptons to speed up the shaping. The honing/lapping I'll probably keep doing by hand.

P.S. As I wrote the previous post I actually was thinking of putting a reference to your router "habit" in it...   [tongue]

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2022, 02:37 PM »
Prepare for a shameless self pat on the back in 1, 2, 3. .

After watching some videos, namely this one:



I decided to play around some more. I'll let the results speak for themselves. I didn't even break out the hand tools everything was done on the Kapex.





Unfortunately I'm out of material and will need more to do the other side.

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2022, 04:02 PM »
Looks good @DynaGlide ,better get that wood quick before you forget how you did it. Oh wait that would probably be me.  [eek]  [tongue]

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2022, 04:15 PM »
That pat is well-deserved. It looks great! Well done!

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2022, 05:13 PM »
That is going to be a very good looking bench DynaGlide. Well done!

I’ve done a few shelves with that kind of X-support. Mostly with a hand saw. A good few on some decking fence too. These are not easy to get everything matching up - I know  [big grin].
I’ve never done a furniture with them, you’re brave! [wink]
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« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2022, 08:32 AM »
Well done, Matt!!!   [smile]
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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #39 on: April 14, 2022, 09:06 AM »
Excellent job Matt!  And using only the Kapex is very cool.

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #40 on: April 14, 2022, 09:22 AM »
Thanks guys. It was some tricky figuring out for sure. I paid the stupidity tax and bought another pre surfaced board from Woodcraft last night after work. Crazy expensive compared to what I get the stuff for from my distributor but when you only need a little bit and don't want to deal with milling it made the most sense to me.

I'm hoping to have a system down for milling lumber next time I tackle a project like this. I have the planer setup awaiting a helical upgrade. I have a Veritas LAJ plane on order to aid in knocking down high spots. And to get ahead of the hand tool purists saying there's better planes for the task: I did my homework here and settled on the LAJ plane as it will let me do lots of other things with the different blades available. I'll explore dedicated smooth/coarse/jointer planes as my needs/wants evolve.

 I'll build myself a face jointing sled for the planer. I can edge joint with the track saw. Not the best or ideal setup but for my needs, will make do. Certainly better than what I've been doing which is buying the stock at 3/4 S4S and working around twists and warps. The worst thing was having to face glue the 3/4 boards to get 1.5" thick. I hated doing that.

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« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2022, 09:40 AM »
Wow~ Love your shop!!! :)

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« Reply #42 on: April 14, 2022, 10:39 AM »








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« Reply #43 on: April 14, 2022, 12:03 PM »
Very nice recovery Matt and that bench looks terrific.  [thumbs up]  [thumbs up]

It was your post on April 12th that I was going to suggest that you just persevere and take really small cuts at a time and just sneak up to the fit that you needed. But then I thought "That's easy for you to say Cheese when you're not doing any of the work.", so I passed.  [big grin]

That's the method I used to install new maple treads & risers, whisper thin saw cuts and angle adjustments in the 1/4º range. A very slow & tedious process but it does work.

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« Reply #44 on: April 14, 2022, 01:13 PM »
I really like the Track tubes, and the worktops.. Having the same saw horses, but with std. 2x3” construction lumber and construction grade plain plywood top - The set up you have would be really nice and flexible. Wish someone would bring them over in bulk!
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« Reply #45 on: April 14, 2022, 01:38 PM »
@FestitaMakool

I've found myself taking advantage of their split/sliding top design a lot in my work. Sometimes I want to get a clamp in between the tops, or I want to move a top so it supports something I'm working on.

Compared to the MFT/3's I sold off I like these a lot more. And I believe Benchdogs.co.uk is coming out with a guide rail hinge that sits in the dog holes of a top for locating which would make separate tops like the Track Tubes even more attractive.

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« Reply #46 on: April 14, 2022, 03:18 PM »
@FestitaMakool

I've found myself taking advantage of their split/sliding top design a lot in my work. Sometimes I want to get a clamp in between the tops, or I want to move a top so it supports something I'm working on.

Compared to the MFT/3's I sold off I like these a lot more. And I believe Benchdogs.co.uk is coming out with a guide rail hinge that sits in the dog holes of a top for locating which would make separate tops like the Track Tubes even more attractive.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CcHrSJpDW5h/

Matt - glad you decided to include the "X" in the ends. Nice looking project. I'm thinking of making one.

Also, on our TrackTube benches. I posted incorporating my previous Eurekazone Bridge using the same bench dog principle. I like the one side hinge design better (I think) because it only needs attachment at one end.

For reference here was my post: https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/other-tools-accessories/ez-bridge-on-mft-slab/msg626385/#msg626385

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« Reply #47 on: April 15, 2022, 02:20 PM »
I think this wins for weirdest thing I've had to figure out how to glue up:





I was careful to not use too much glue as I don't want to deal with trying to remove squeeze out. I cut wedge blocks out of complementary angles and nubbed them off. The X on this end of the table was a little looser necessitating clamping pressure to get it to close the gaps.
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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2022, 02:25 PM »
And that's why you keep your cutoffs!!  8)

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« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2022, 07:01 PM »
@FestitaMakool

I've found myself taking advantage of their split/sliding top design a lot in my work. Sometimes I want to get a clamp in between the tops, or I want to move a top so it supports something I'm working on.

Compared to the MFT/3's I sold off I like these a lot more. And I believe Benchdogs.co.uk is coming out with a guide rail hinge that sits in the dog holes of a top for locating which would make separate tops like the Track Tubes even more attractive.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CcHrSJpDW5h/

Thanks, I noticed Peter posted a video - haven’t yet had the time to see it.
Again, the system seems to be a great addition to a Festool MFT/3 - my table “lives” outside so the plywood is never flat, but for general work when assembling, using a jigsaw, router, coffe table, painting table and so forth.. with its 240cm length I use it for anything often with room to spare. Adding track tubes and split MFT tops would be splendid during summer (and dry weather..) I do all I can outside when the temperature and weather is nice - leaving smaller work to the MFT/3 inside.

If BenchDogs UK would make similar…  [wink]
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« Reply #50 on: April 21, 2022, 02:21 PM »
It's almost finishing time. I tried doing some dewaxed shellac, with different stains on top, then GF High Performance on some scrap and I don't think I'm going to continue with the staining step.

I like the idea of natural cherry with it aging over time. I've read enough peoples experiences saying to washcoat first with cherry. Would I be fine to do that, then 3 coats of GF High Performance and call it a day? Sanding in between as required.
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« Reply #51 on: April 21, 2022, 04:27 PM »
I know finishing is about tradition and personal taste.
I cannot say how cherry naturally age, but I guess local climate and sun exposure will count in.

To my eyes, it looks really good as is! [smile]
We do more often finish with white wash oil finishes, to stay ahead of darkening.. Ash, pine, oak.
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« Reply #52 on: April 21, 2022, 05:26 PM »
I would go Tung Oil for this for natural color.

It yellows a lot less to Linseed oil and handles light better too.
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« Reply #53 on: April 22, 2022, 02:23 PM »

I like the idea of natural cherry with it aging over time. I've read enough peoples experiences saying to washcoat first with cherry. Would I be fine to do that, then 3 coats of GF High Performance and call it a day? Sanding in between as required.

....or Osmo Poly x or GF Arm R seal. Easy Peasy.
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« Reply #54 on: April 22, 2022, 08:55 PM »
I think this wins for weirdest thing I've had to figure out how to glue up:





I was careful to not use too much glue as I don't want to deal with trying to remove squeeze out. I cut wedge blocks out of complementary angles and nubbed them off. The X on this end of the table was a little looser necessitating clamping pressure to get it to close the gaps.

I have dozens of clamping blocks, wedges, fixtures spread all over. Some are right under the main bench, but others are in the miter saw station or on the shelves behind my back wall. Once in a while, I do throw some away because they were so specialized that they only ever work with that one job they were made for.
The bench project looks great. Can't wait to see some finish on it.
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« Reply #55 on: April 25, 2022, 11:51 AM »
After talking with an instagram friend of mine who builds furniture professionally and mostly works with Cherry, I went ahead with my plan. The pieces all received a washcoat of 50/50 SealCoat Dewaxed shellac/Denatured alcohol mix followed by a full strength 2lb cut coat. Lightly sanded with 320, vacuumed, wiped, and tack clothed and onto General Finishes High Performance Satin. First coat went on light and turned out great. Second coat I was able to get it on thicker with great weather, overcast and slight breeze. Having never used either shellac or GF High Performance I wasn't sure what was going to happen but man am I really pleased with the GF High Performance. It works right out of the can, levels out nicely, dries fast, and is just a real pleasure to work with.













I've only worked with paints and Kem Aqua + up until now. After this experience I want to do more wood projects in the future. Spraying makes everything turn out so, so much nicer. I'll give the 2nd coat time to cure and decide if I want to do a third on the top and shoe rack shelves. GF claims additional coats don't do anything for the durability.

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« Reply #56 on: April 25, 2022, 01:48 PM »
Looks great! I agree.  Spraying is the way to go.  Where did you get the stands you're using for finishing/drying racks?

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« Reply #57 on: April 25, 2022, 02:02 PM »
Looks great! I agree.  Spraying is the way to go.  Where did you get the stands you're using for finishing/drying racks?

Thank you! They can be purchased here direct or I think Rockler carries them: https://thepaintline.com/
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« Reply #58 on: April 25, 2022, 02:48 PM »
[Thank you! They can be purchased here direct or I think Rockler carries them: https://thepaintline.com/
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Thank you!

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« Reply #59 on: April 25, 2022, 03:22 PM »
[Thank you! They can be purchased here direct or I think Rockler carries them: https://thepaintline.com/


Thank you!
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FYI - When I had a big job with our kitchen remodel I made a rack with PVC pipe that can be broken down easily. Was dirt cheap to build years ago but last time I checked PVC piping has gone up in price between 5 to 10 times what it was before COVID. (you can probably Google it and find some ideas)

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« Reply #60 on: April 25, 2022, 03:31 PM »
For years I've used this shop-made version of turntable and placed items on horizontal surfaces with painters pyramids.

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« Reply #61 on: April 25, 2022, 03:36 PM »
Love the look of the top.  I just finished two blanket chests with nearly identical tops (cherry and breadboard ends).  However, I rushed the fininsh process of the tops and sprayed on a day that was too cool.  I've been dissatisified with the results and tried to buff it smooth with Abralon 2000 followed by paste wax (no wax was too dull).  But it's just to shiney  and there is contrast along the edges that I avoided with the Rotex to avoid sandthrough.

I've been on the fence about refinishing them (chemical stripper), and seeing how great yours looks pushed me over the edge for the redo.  Pics attached with BLO only followed by the one that gives me heartburn. Wood is air-dried cherry that was stored for generations before I purchased it about 15 years ago.  I'm slowly using it up.  It works wonderfully.

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« Reply #62 on: May 03, 2022, 02:18 PM »
Here's what I had to work off of:



Versus how it turned out:



It was a fun and challenging build. I'll give it another week before I put it into its new home upstairs. I still need to make the buttons to attach the top.

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #63 on: May 03, 2022, 02:52 PM »
@DynaGlide

Came out perfect! Looks like it has some heft to it  [big grin] be careful bringing it upstairs.

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« Reply #64 on: May 03, 2022, 02:56 PM »
@DynaGlide It's truly been a joy following along on all of your builds and this one is no exception!  Great project!

Thank you for sharing.  I always learn something!

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« Reply #65 on: May 03, 2022, 03:25 PM »
Thanks guys, I appreciate it.

Some comments: pre finishing was the way to go on this one. I was able to get a nice finish everywhere except inside those X areas. That's just a tough spot to lay down smooth. I debated waiting 21 days (cure time for full hardness on GF High Performance) before clamping. I got antsy and did it in 8 days. I cut up an old t shirt and used it in between the clamps and the bench. Worked out fine.

The joints aren't dead on perfect but that's because I don't have a jointer. They're good enough that only I'll notice the one or two that didn't close up completely, though.

I was pretty nervous spraying Shellac and GF High Performance since I never worked with either before but honestly, it couldn't have gone better.

Next project is going to be the Wood Whisperer Hybrid workbench with a Benchcrafted leg vise. I've gotten the itch to integrate hand tools more into my workflow and want to make myself a solid bench. I'll be leaning on my neighbor to assist with squaring up the lumber for that.

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #66 on: May 03, 2022, 10:57 PM »
A beautiful piece Matt.  Should last a lifetime. Sure looks heavy...

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« Reply #67 on: May 04, 2022, 07:35 AM »
Thanks @Rick Herrick . It is heavy. Luckily I should only need to move it once.
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« Reply #68 on: May 04, 2022, 08:25 AM »
Spectacular, Matt!!!   [smile]
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« Reply #69 on: May 04, 2022, 05:13 PM »
Congratulations - it came out great!
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« Reply #70 on: May 04, 2022, 06:52 PM »
It came out great. The Xs were worth it. The beauty of heavy is that it is stable.
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« Reply #71 on: May 05, 2022, 03:42 PM »
I made up some buttons using some scraps from the project. I had to plane down some 3/4 stock to 5/8 so I could use 1" screws. The top is 3/4" thick and doing this allowed the screws to penetrate half of the thickness of the top. I felt 1/4" into the top wasn't enough and anything more than 3/8" I'd risk splitting the top.

To install the buttons I ended up gluing the dominos into the buttons since the original screw location would've been too close to a glue line on some of the top panel joints. Original plan was to screw through the dominos in the buttons to lock them in place. I put 3/16" spacers between the button and rail to allow for some seasonal movement. Probably more than needed but still plenty of tenon in the rail mortise.







Done just in time for Mother's Day, too. I'll move it upstairs Sunday with some help.

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« Reply #72 on: May 05, 2022, 06:34 PM »
Beautiful piece Matt, destined to become a family heirloom. Nice work.

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« Reply #73 on: May 05, 2022, 07:37 PM »
Beautiful piece Matt, destined to become a family heirloom. Nice work.

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« Reply #74 on: May 05, 2022, 08:11 PM »
Turned out very nice.

Great work Matt. Being cherry, that will develop a nice rich color as it gets exposed to UV.

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #75 on: May 10, 2022, 12:12 PM »
@DynaGlide Looks great! Thanks for posting your build.
Adding the X I think made the difference.
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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #76 on: May 10, 2022, 12:14 PM »

Next project is going to be the Wood Whisperer Hybrid workbench with a Benchcrafted leg vise. I've gotten the itch to integrate hand tools more into my workflow and want to make myself a solid bench. I'll be leaning on my neighbor to assist with squaring up the lumber for that.

Matt

I look forward to seeing your build on that.
Tim

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« Reply #77 on: May 10, 2022, 12:16 PM »
@rvieceli @Tim Raleigh

Thanks guys I just realized I never posted a final shot:



It has a little give in the middle when sitting on it. I'll probably reinforce that area with a 2" wide or so strip of hardwood across the long rails. Kids and wife are very pleased with how it turned out.
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« Reply #78 on: May 10, 2022, 12:25 PM »

It has a little give in the middle when sitting on it.

Interesting. You wouldn't think so based on the construction.
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« Reply #79 on: May 10, 2022, 04:55 PM »
Excellent work, Matt!!!   [big grin]
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« Reply #80 on: May 10, 2022, 05:00 PM »
Beautiful!  Fits the space like a glove.

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Re: Entryway bench
« Reply #81 on: May 22, 2022, 08:26 AM »
Matt,
you continue to inspire.
Welcome to the world of Hybrid Woodworkers!

Hans
PS: - and thanks for taking the time to document and share the build and the thinking behind some of the decisions you made - all very helpful!