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Offline Crazyraceguy

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desk with radius
« on: August 04, 2023, 07:14 PM »
I haven't done one in a while, but this came up today. It's just the preliminary frame and one section of outer skin, but I didn't get started until nearly lunchtime.

@PaulMarcel I did get some video of the actual kerfing process (I didn't forget you, it just wasn't needed until now) but I'm not sure if or how it can be shown here?

I'll try it with the rest of the pictures, if not more research is required...lol

Yeah, that's not going to work, it's way too big. Can anyone help?
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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2023, 04:19 AM »
Ooh, special!

I'd love to see the video as I'm sure some others. Not sure either how to do it in this decidedly obtuse forum software.

Especially interesting after seeing that other thread about the Mafell saw that has a kerfing blade that does 3 cuts at once.
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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2023, 05:49 AM »
In order to share you would need to host it elsewhere and post a link here.  YouTube comes to mind.

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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2023, 06:54 AM »
Ooh, special!

I'd love to see the video as I'm sure some others. Not sure either how to do it in this decidedly obtuse forum software.

Especially interesting after seeing that other thread about the Mafell saw that has a kerfing blade that does 3 cuts at once.

Oh, I missed that one. Three kerfs at once would be cool, but how is the spacing determined and then indexed to repeat?

I have 2 videos. One is a narrow board for testing depth and the second is the actual 24" wide piece on the wall pictured above.
they are 13 and 18 mb respectively, so I guess I will need to figure out how to host them somewhere.
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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2023, 09:17 AM »
Is there any downside to making more than enough kerfs? Other than the time it takes?

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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2023, 03:59 PM »
@Michael Kellough Not really, depending on how well it is supported. I always use more vertical studs around a radius than it straight sections and the curve itself kind of stiffens the panel. It is supported on top by the plate and at the bottom by the toe-kick in this case. Most of the time the toe-kick off-set is deeper than this one, so a bottom horizontal rail runs across there, supporting the bottom.
It is surprisingly stiff, once it's all glued up.
You can see on the inside pic, that I ran too many kerfs on the toe-kick piece. I think I did 48 and in only needed 36, so I reduced it for the main part.
Once I figure out how to host it, you will see how fast it happens.
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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2023, 05:55 PM »
Oh, I missed that one. Three kerfs at once would be cool, but how is the spacing determined and then indexed to repeat?

I wondered the same. I'm sure the indexing is something that fits in the last kerf and acts as a fence for the guide placement or other <waves hands> similar thing. But spacing the blades seems like they'd need a Dial-a-Dado type mechanism to adjust them. I've only done kerf-bending a couple of times to experiment and did a spacing based on a calculation so the open ends would touch when bent at the correct radius since it seemed to provide the most support. I'm sure there are tables with that stuff somewhere.
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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2023, 08:53 AM »
 I think I have it figured out. Well, apparently not? They are on Youtube and I copied the links, but nothing happens? Now I have the links showing, but no video? Ok, finally got it. Thanks to @MikeGE tutorial
@PaulMarcel here it is.

You can't really see much.....you know safety. That aluminum bar across the front is the trigger. It rides at the same height as the sheet being cut. If anything holds it up more than a couple of millimeters, ti shuts down.
The 5" depth test strip, cuts off at 10 total length. I am holding the protective screen up.
https://youtube.com/video/p9Mp8Hq_JlY

The 24" panel for the wall.

https://youtube.com/video/fzW9mIOxD7w
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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2023, 09:40 AM »
I think I have it figured out. Well, apparently not? They are on Youtube and I copied the links, but nothing happens? Now I have the links showing, but no video? Ok, finally got it. Thanks to @MikeGE tutorial
@PaulMarcel here it is.

You can't really see much.....you know safety. That aluminum bar across the front is the trigger. It rides at the same height as the sheet being cut. If anything holds it up more than a couple of millimeters, ti shuts down.
The 5" depth test strip, cuts off at 10 total length. I am holding the protective screen up.
https://youtube.com/video/p9Mp8Hq_JlY

The 24" panel for the wall.

https://youtube.com/video/fzW9mIOxD7w

Change the "/video/" to "watch?v=" in the link:



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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2023, 05:22 PM »
Oh, cool! Thanks @squall_line
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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2023, 10:31 PM »
That's a cool saw. I love seeing the full industrial tools in action. Even the big drawer manufacturer here around Queen Creek area doesn't seem to have as much big stuff like that. They did, however, have a very cool conveyor system that would slather UV-cure finish on in one booth, into a dryer, into the UV-curing booth and that stuff even a RAS couldn't mar.

Still would like to see how that Mafell 3-kerf cutter indexes. Might be something that could be McGyvered for the TS-55/60/75. I admit I didn't have time that day to dig for details. My wallet also stated that was prudent.
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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2023, 01:09 PM »
It appears that the multi-cutter "indexes" with a ruler and pencil.

The 54-55-ish second mark in the promo video:


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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2023, 01:41 PM »
Goodness that looks... big. How are you going to transport that?
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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2023, 06:07 PM »
Goodness that looks... big. How are you going to transport that?

Usually in pieces, but not always, based on what CRG has posted in the past.

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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2023, 06:08 PM »
That's a cool saw. I love seeing the full industrial tools in action. Even the big drawer manufacturer here around Queen Creek area doesn't seem to have as much big stuff like that. They did, however, have a very cool conveyor system that would slather UV-cure finish on in one booth, into a dryer, into the UV-curing booth and that stuff even a RAS couldn't mar.

Still would like to see how that Mafell 3-kerf cutter indexes. Might be something that could be McGyvered for the TS-55/60/75. I admit I didn't have time that day to dig for details. My wallet also stated that was prudent.

Hey Paul, now that I have the video thing somewhat figured out, I think I will do one showing the gantry crane with the vacuum lift arm. It can deliver sheet as large as 5' x 12' to either the saw or the infeed rollers of the CNC machine. It's kind of mesmerizing to watch it go about it's business, like when I need a sheet that is part-way down a stack. It will pull everything off, spreading it around multiple other stacks, until it reaches the one you asked for. It tries to keep the "mixed" stacks at the same height, though there are dedicated stacks with only one type of item in them.
My RAS is capable of using 36 grit flap wheels.....challenge accepted.  [big grin]
We have a big spray booth, but no UV curing material. We generally use Pre-cat Lacquer or conversion varnish. Once in a while, someone will spec a water-based finish, but not as often as you would think.


I got most of the inside finished today. It will be an easy 1/2 day tomorrow, all that is left is the laminate on the outside. The solid surface guys got started on the top today too. It gets matching 16' wide file cabinets in those open areas between the access panels.
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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2023, 06:12 PM »
Goodness that looks... big. How are you going to transport that?

It comes apart into 3 pieces. They are still going to be "big" though, by most people's definition.
The curved end separates right past the radius, and then there are 2 straight sections that are slightly under 9' each. I usually post pics of things like this when they get broken down.
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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2023, 06:18 PM »
Goodness that looks... big. How are you going to transport that?

It comes apart into 3 pieces. They are still going to be "big" though, by most people's definition.
The curved end separates right past the radius, and then there are 2 straight sections that are slightly under 9' each. I usually post pics of things like this when they get broken down.

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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2023, 06:41 PM »
It appears that the multi-cutter "indexes" with a ruler and pencil.

The 54-55-ish second mark in the promo video:



That's very cool and very specialized, but if it could benefit your operation, I'm sure it would sell.
The whole turning a radius to inlay that tubing was cool, as well as the V-groove, plus the multi-kerf, fantastic. I bet they get a serious chunk of currency for it too, with all of those nifty accessories as extras. 
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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2023, 05:20 PM »
Done, but not taken apart yet. The solid surface guys might want to test fit the top, so I'll leave it until it gets in the way.
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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2023, 05:25 PM »
Do the installers ever prank you with a phone call, "dude, you built it turning to the right, but it needs to turn to the left!"
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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2023, 06:09 PM »
Did anyone else notice how little dust escapes that Mafell saw?  It’s quite an impressive piece of equipment.

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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2023, 06:17 PM »
Did anyone else notice how little dust escapes that Mafell saw?  It’s quite an impressive piece of equipment.

I didn't notice until you said something.  I had to stop watching the video on repeat for the sake of my pocketbook...

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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2023, 06:27 PM »
As for that Mafell, seems like Festool or some third party could make the wall-board blade or kerf-cutting blade for the HK-85. It already has an expanding dado blade. 500W more power, too. Granted, NAINA
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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2023, 08:50 PM »
As for that Mafell, seems like Festool or some third party could make the wall-board blade or kerf-cutting blade for the HK-85. It already has an expanding dado blade. 500W more power, too. Granted, NAINA

Whitehill in the UK can make custom cutters, and have available two stock cutters for the HK85 groove kit that I'm lusting for after I sell a kidney to buy the Festool groove kit:

https://www.whitehill-tools.com/cutter-heads/cutterheads-festool/cutters-for-festool-hk85-saw/

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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2023, 10:33 PM »
Whitehill in the UK can make custom cutters, and have available two stock cutters for the HK85 groove kit that I'm lusting for after I sell a kidney to buy the Festool groove kit:

https://www.whitehill-tools.com/cutter-heads/cutterheads-festool/cutters-for-festool-hk85-saw/

Oh, nice, exactly what I was thinking. Wonder if you can get the dado blade cover plate separately from Festool; probably through EKAT.

Lucky you, you could toss in one lobe of your liver, too, and do that whole frog thing and grow it back...
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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2023, 06:07 PM »
Do the installers ever prank you with a phone call, "dude, you built it turning to the right, but it needs to turn to the left!"
No, I've never had that happen, but there have been "incidents". I had one come back for repair because the delivery truck got into a wreck. I had one that was "supposed to fit" by the measurements given at the time.....and somebody moved a wall. I have had several that had to be lifted into a window with either a crane or Telehandler. And of course my favorite, the one who someone decided they wanted on the second floor.....after I was built to go right inside the door on the first floor.
It was built as one piece and had to be cut in half, with the ability to put it back together.
These are all things that I am very conscious of at the beginning of every big job.
A lot of times the real restriction is the delivery truck itself. It has a liftgate and that brings its own challenges.
In most cases "reception desks" are just inside of a double door, which is easy. But they don't all go that way. A lot of these big units are nurse stations. Those can be anywhere, on any floor and there are usually several of them. Generally matchy with each other, but sizes very per layout.
There was one hospital (new construction, not remodel) that I did a few years ago that had 24 nurse stations, 5 check-in desks, the main reception desk and a payment counseling area. They all had the same two contrasting colors of laminate and similar style. That was a busy summer. During the final push to get it done, I built 4 of the nurse stations at the same time....and that was in the old building. There was less than 1/3rd of the square footage of where we are now.
That was way more than you wanted to know, sorry  [eek]
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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2023, 06:57 PM »
That was way more than you wanted to know, sorry  [eek]

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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2023, 08:01 PM »
That was way more than you wanted to know, sorry  [eek]

No, man. I love these stories.

I've got 20+ years' worth of them and some come out from the most random reasons.
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« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2023, 05:12 AM »
That was way more than you wanted to know, sorry  [eek]

That was awesome! Just the sheer size of your builds makes things you normally wouldn't consider an important detail.

Hospitals must have decent ways of getting large items to a floor considering all the machinery they have on various floors and their hallways seem roomy.
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Re: desk with radius
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2023, 05:42 PM »
That was way more than you wanted to know, sorry  [eek]

That was awesome! Just the sheer size of your builds makes things you normally wouldn't consider an important detail.

Hospitals must have decent ways of getting large items to a floor considering all the machinery they have on various floors and their hallways seem roomy.

Yes, they are usually fairly easy to navigate. New buildings or full wing additions are the best. Remodels can be a bit more of a struggle. The sometimes complain about noise (hammer drills especially) and dust collection is important.

The funny thing is, I haven't built anything big in a while  [blink]
Just before the move I built a wall/desk unit for a local BMV facility that was a big L shape. It was 50 feet long in one direction and 34 feet in the other. it had 9 "windows" to serve customers. That thing was so big that we had to move some equipment around to fit it in....then put it back.
There was a run of 3 remodels that summer, but the others were smaller.

There is a little dialog box on the front page of our shop drawings that is specifically for elevator dimensions. Getting that information is part of the project manager's job, though sometimes they make special provisions like leaving out interior walls (or windows) until a certain date.
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