Author Topic: Beginner's Attempt at an Assembly/Outfeed Table  (Read 3702 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline 16paws

  • Posts: 26
  • There is no rehab for this addiction!
Beginner's Attempt at an Assembly/Outfeed Table
« on: January 21, 2018, 03:28 PM »
Hello

I made the following assembly/outfeed table.  The bench is basically two birch-ply cases glued, kreg screwed and dominoed together...one side for Festool storage, the other for drawers, vacuum, shelf, etc. The base is sits on leveling casters and supports an MDF torsion box with a 20mm hole array top.  I drilled the drawer alignment holes and the top using the LR32 system.  All dimensions had to be reversed-engineered from the videos below, but a total height of 880mm had to be established to act as an outfeed table for my table saw. Along each side of the top is a piece of hardwood containing 2 aluminum tracks from Misumi Engineering for clamping.  On the drawer side are 4 vertical hardwood pieces with domino slots cut into them so that I can place dominoes in the slots and rest work on them.  This table is obviously an adaptation of Alabama Woodworker's MO/AT and BenchWorks' shop plans.  In fact, I contact both Huy and Timothy during this project for their help and they both were very patient and helpful! Thanks guys!  I know it is not perfect, but it is my third project (first was Ron Paulk's bench, second was Timothy Wilmots clamp rack).

Beginner lessons learned:

1) Don't buy cheap Chinese plywood...it will tear out, have voids and thin veneers and not hold screws well.
2) Use the case building techniques shown in the BenchWorks videos, namely dadoes and rabbets for accuracy.  I didn't and paid the price in accuracy and ease of assembly.
3) Set aside enough time and be patient (I am working on it)
4) Don't watch "13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi" while assembling cases...every clamp was way over-tightened!
5) There are a lot of decent, experienced woodworkers out there willing to field sophomoric questions, including Huy and Timothy, not to mention the guys at my local Woodcraft store.
6) Don't let frustration get the best of you.  Like anything else in life, the more you do it, the better you get...YouTube helps facilitate that process.
7) Enjoy the journey

Hope this helps other beginners.

Marc

Kapex KS 120, MFT/3 Kapex, OF1400, TS75, Domino DF500, (2) MFT/3, CMS VL Set, DF 500 Tenon Assortment, Rotex RO125, CT26 HEPA, C15 and set, Drill set, the SYS-Roll, SYS-storage box, measuring tape and various sortainers.

Festool USA does not pre-approve the contents of this website nor endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual. Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. Festool makes no representations about the accuracy, reliability, completeness or timeliness of the material on this website or about the results to be obtained from using the website. Festool and its affiliates cannot be responsible for improper postings or your reliance on the website's material. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice.


Offline Sparktrician

  • Posts: 3929
Re: Beginner's Attempt at an Assembly/Outfeed Table
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2018, 03:41 PM »
Very well done, I dare say.   [smile]   Casters on the bottom? 
- Willy -

 "Remember, a chip on the shoulder is a sure sign of wood higher up." - Brigham Young

Offline 16paws

  • Posts: 26
  • There is no rehab for this addiction!
Re: Beginner's Attempt at an Assembly/Outfeed Table
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2018, 04:42 PM »
Thanks!  Yes, the casters are approximately 4" in from the side and ends at each corner.  They are the same model that Huy used in his MO/AT. I believe I bought them from Caster Connection.
Kapex KS 120, MFT/3 Kapex, OF1400, TS75, Domino DF500, (2) MFT/3, CMS VL Set, DF 500 Tenon Assortment, Rotex RO125, CT26 HEPA, C15 and set, Drill set, the SYS-Roll, SYS-storage box, measuring tape and various sortainers.

Offline Brs7377

  • Posts: 5
Re: Beginner's Attempt at an Assembly/Outfeed Table
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2018, 06:58 AM »
Are there any supports under the middle of the mft top or just in the sides?

Thanks, looks good and a pretty versatile shop setup.

Ben
TS 55, CT 33, OF 1400

Offline KongKirill

  • Posts: 47
Re: Beginner's Attempt at an Assembly/Outfeed Table
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2018, 07:22 AM »
Very nicely made! Thanks for sharing!  [thumbs up]

Offline Z48LT1

  • Posts: 80
  • My excuse is I never expected to be caught.
Re: Beginner's Attempt at an Assembly/Outfeed Table
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2018, 12:01 PM »
Very nice!  Mind sharing the torsion box grid pattern?  Are there any holes in the bottom to retrieve items that find their way into the 20MM holes?

Cheers - Gary




Offline duc996

  • Posts: 176
Re: Beginner's Attempt at an Assembly/Outfeed Table
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2018, 06:04 PM »
nice build Marc!
« Last Edit: January 22, 2018, 06:10 PM by duc996 »

Offline 16paws

  • Posts: 26
  • There is no rehab for this addiction!
Re: Beginner's Attempt at an Assembly/Outfeed Table
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2018, 10:08 PM »
Are there any supports under the middle of the mft top or just in the sides?

Thanks, looks good and a pretty versatile shop setup.

Ben

Thanks Ben.  There is a middle support down the entire length of the table and then two cross supports equally spaced.  Once I had the bottom halves together, I used a flat edge and worked to get the top dead flat.  Once I did that, I glued on 1/2" MDF, the sides, and the middle sections.  I then used the large flat edge again to find any high or low spots.  In the end, I kept moving the flat edge around the top in all different directions and seeing if a playing card would fit under the edge.  If it did, I adjusted the top braces with a block plane.  The result is a very flat surface with the 20mm array.
Kapex KS 120, MFT/3 Kapex, OF1400, TS75, Domino DF500, (2) MFT/3, CMS VL Set, DF 500 Tenon Assortment, Rotex RO125, CT26 HEPA, C15 and set, Drill set, the SYS-Roll, SYS-storage box, measuring tape and various sortainers.

Offline 16paws

  • Posts: 26
  • There is no rehab for this addiction!
Re: Beginner's Attempt at an Assembly/Outfeed Table
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2018, 10:20 PM »
Very nice!  Mind sharing the torsion box grid pattern?  Are there any holes in the bottom to retrieve items that find their way into the 20MM holes?

Cheers - Gary

Thanks Gary.  Attached is the pattern.  Like I said in my response to Ben, I kept checking the flatness with a 36" veritas flat edge and playing card and then adjusting with a block plane.  The array top is screwed down, so I can always remove/replace it. The slits that you see allow me to retrieve anything that falls below the array top with a scrap piece of the track.  I planned on those slits actually being cubby holes like the Alabama Woodworker's MO/AT, but had to settle on their current size to meet my 880mm overall height limit.  I believe Huy's MO/AT had room for the larger cubby holes, because he used homemade drawers for his Festool tools vs the Festool SYS-AZ drawers that I used.
Kapex KS 120, MFT/3 Kapex, OF1400, TS75, Domino DF500, (2) MFT/3, CMS VL Set, DF 500 Tenon Assortment, Rotex RO125, CT26 HEPA, C15 and set, Drill set, the SYS-Roll, SYS-storage box, measuring tape and various sortainers.

Offline Mario Turcot

  • Posts: 1180
Re: Beginner's Attempt at an Assembly/Outfeed Table
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2018, 11:36 PM »
Marc, thanks for sharing your project. I like your bench and will make an attempt to a similar design soon. I also like your clamp rack  [big grin]
Mario

Offline ttf5003

  • Posts: 39
Re: Beginner's Attempt at an Assembly/Outfeed Table
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2020, 10:12 PM »
Great looking bench. I've been looking through the FOG for a few nights now looking for what I was picturing in my mind and this is it.

Do you happen to still have any of the dimensions/plans that you used?

Thanks

Online ryanjg117

  • Posts: 231
Re: Beginner's Attempt at an Assembly/Outfeed Table
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2020, 02:42 AM »
I've learned the "don't buy cheap Chinese ply" lesson many times... Yet the temptation of $10 Craiglist 4x8 plywood sheets is always calling like a siren. At the end of the day, I'm not sure I've ever been happy with a project that has started with cheap ply. My thinking: my time is valuable. Why spend it trying to unwarp and cover up for problem materials? If I'm thinking about using cheap materials, well, I might as well just swing by the local Ikea. If I'm going to spend my time making something, it better be something I can't find at a big box store.

Offline Mario Turcot

  • Posts: 1180
Re: Beginner's Attempt at an Assembly/Outfeed Table
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2020, 11:10 AM »
@ryanjg117
I've learned the "don't buy cheap Chinese ply" lesson many times... Yet the temptation of $10 Craiglist 4x8 plywood sheets is always calling like a siren. At the end of the day, I'm not sure I've ever been happy with a project that has started with cheap ply. My thinking: my time is valuable. Why spend it trying to unwarp and cover up for problem materials? If I'm thinking about using cheap materials, well, I might as well just swing by the local Ikea. If I'm going to spend my time making something, it better be something I can't find at a big box store.

I bought Chinese Ply when I built my shop. A lot of void yes, but I use it to close the walls. Standard 3/4 ply 4'x8' @ homedepot was $84, the Chinese 3/4 G2S was $49  [eek] I can hang pretty much anything anywhere  [big grin]
Mario

Offline 16paws

  • Posts: 26
  • There is no rehab for this addiction!
Re: Beginner's Attempt at an Assembly/Outfeed Table
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2020, 09:39 AM »
Great looking bench. I've been looking through the FOG for a few nights now looking for what I was picturing in my mind and this is it.

Do you happen to still have any of the dimensions/plans that you used?

Thanks


Hello.  Sorry for the delay in replying, but I did not see your message.  As I said previously, the bench is basically two cases, one on top of the other.  I measured everything in metric, but cannot find the exact plans.  Therefore, I went back and measured the following in inches:

The bottom case, where the festool tools are stored, measures 70 5/8"L, 31 1/2" H, and 42" W.  The individual spaces for the festool trays are 23 1/16H x 16 7/8"W.  I basically just joined two 70 5/8, 31 1/2, 21" cases together to form the entire bottom case.

The top case is 70 5/8"L, 40 1/8"W, 6 7/8" H.  This case is an adaptation of Huy's bench, which I believe was loosely based on Ron Paulk's bench.

When I started the project, I was trying to get the exact measurements from Huy, the AL woodworker, but in the end, just made the cases as close to his as I could using my preferred dimensions. I would definitely study Huy's and Timothy's videos at the AL Woodworker and Benchwoks, respectively.  Let me know if you have any other questions.

Hope this helps,

Marc
Kapex KS 120, MFT/3 Kapex, OF1400, TS75, Domino DF500, (2) MFT/3, CMS VL Set, DF 500 Tenon Assortment, Rotex RO125, CT26 HEPA, C15 and set, Drill set, the SYS-Roll, SYS-storage box, measuring tape and various sortainers.

Offline ttf5003

  • Posts: 39
Re: Beginner's Attempt at an Assembly/Outfeed Table
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2020, 10:32 AM »

When I started the project, I was trying to get the exact measurements from Huy, the AL woodworker, but in the end, just made the cases as close to his as I could using my preferred dimensions.

This is where I was at, I wanted the exact dimensions of Huy's bench but couldn't find them. I don't mind designing a piece of furniture but I really just want to build ship furniture as quick as possible. After a night of searching I realized this was silly and just whipped up dimensions to fit my needs and built the bottom cabinets yesterday.

Hopefully I'll be working on the torsion box this week. Another quick question, I see in one of the photos up above you have the ribs pocket hole screwed to the bottom. You also mention that you have the top screwed down so you can replace it. Do you have screws face screwed through the top? I don't see any in the photos.

I was thinking about pocket holes for the top to the ribs and then screwing the bottom to the ribs. Is there any loss of rigidity by not gluing the tops on? I'd rather glue but that would make the whole assembly disposable when the top wears out.

Thanks

Offline Mario Turcot

  • Posts: 1180
Re: Beginner's Attempt at an Assembly/Outfeed Table
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2020, 10:56 AM »
@ttf5003 if clamping through dog holes is not a concern to you, do the top in two layers. Glue up a 1/2 ply and screw a 3/4 MDF on each corner. That way the MDF top can be easily replaced.
Mario

Offline Gregor

  • Posts: 1653
Re: Beginner's Attempt at an Assembly/Outfeed Table
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2020, 02:58 AM »
Looks very nice.

Offline 16paws

  • Posts: 26
  • There is no rehab for this addiction!
Re: Beginner's Attempt at an Assembly/Outfeed Table
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2020, 10:00 AM »

When I started the project, I was trying to get the exact measurements from Huy, the AL woodworker, but in the end, just made the cases as close to his as I could using my preferred dimensions.

This is where I was at, I wanted the exact dimensions of Huy's bench but couldn't find them. I don't mind designing a piece of furniture but I really just want to build ship furniture as quick as possible. After a night of searching I realized this was silly and just whipped up dimensions to fit my needs and built the bottom cabinets yesterday.

Hopefully I'll be working on the torsion box this week. Another quick question, I see in one of the photos up above you have the ribs pocket hole screwed to the bottom. You also mention that you have the top screwed down so you can replace it. Do you have screws face screwed through the top? I don't see any in the photos.

I was thinking about pocket holes for the top to the ribs and then screwing the bottom to the ribs. Is there any loss of rigidity by not gluing the tops on? I'd rather glue but that would make the whole assembly disposable when the top wears out.

Thanks

The plan was to have the top screwed down, but I found that the friction between the top, the rails and the ends of the torsion box holds it in place.  Therefore, I left it alone and it works great.  The top sits flush with the side rails so it is held snuggly between them. When I get to the point where I need a new top, I will just flip it over or make a new one using the current top as a template. I have a set of Kreg clamps that run in the rails, so if I really needed to clamp the top down, I would go that route.
Kapex KS 120, MFT/3 Kapex, OF1400, TS75, Domino DF500, (2) MFT/3, CMS VL Set, DF 500 Tenon Assortment, Rotex RO125, CT26 HEPA, C15 and set, Drill set, the SYS-Roll, SYS-storage box, measuring tape and various sortainers.

Offline ttf5003

  • Posts: 39
Re: Beginner's Attempt at an Assembly/Outfeed Table
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2020, 11:51 AM »
That's really interesting that it's just sitting on top. Both of my pieced of MDF I got from Lowe's are crowned in the middle. I'm not talking about card shimming crowned but visibly crowned.

I think I will attach the ribs to the top with pocket hole screws and just screw through the bottom like I planned, without glue. Hopefully it is enough force to pull the crown out of it. I can always go back and glue later.

So the Kreg clamps fit in the Misumi Rails?

Thanks for all the help
« Last Edit: April 28, 2020, 11:55 AM by ttf5003 »

Offline 16paws

  • Posts: 26
  • There is no rehab for this addiction!
Re: Beginner's Attempt at an Assembly/Outfeed Table
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2020, 11:55 PM »
Yes, the Kreg clamps fit into the rails, which is nice as I can clamp projects horizontally or vertically.  You are very welcome for the help!  Good luck on your build...I am looking forward to seeing pics of it!
Kapex KS 120, MFT/3 Kapex, OF1400, TS75, Domino DF500, (2) MFT/3, CMS VL Set, DF 500 Tenon Assortment, Rotex RO125, CT26 HEPA, C15 and set, Drill set, the SYS-Roll, SYS-storage box, measuring tape and various sortainers.