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Offline David

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Ash Bartops
« on: August 20, 2020, 07:50 PM »
Well, that was fun. A much bigger job than I imagined, but my oldest son asked if I’d build the bartops (around the outside windows) for the 3rd location they are opening (this one in Birmingham). What took long was getting everything exact (some finished pieces were 15’ long) but mainly it was the sheer bulk/weight of these things, working alone. The pictures kind of tell the story, but here were the steps, in order. There were four tops of different lengths and shapes.

Unload semi-truck with 8/4 ash that I sourced from a mill in NE Ohio. This wood is absolutely gorgeous. If you ever need a great source for lumber, I’d recommend Baird Bros. I’ve used them twice now. That is, if you don’t mind dimensioning it all yourself.

Next step was using the 23” Powermatic 209 thickness planer (5hp, 230v). It’s critical to minimize sniping with these exit stands at the right height, the infeed/outfeed rollers set up, the ground tabletop waxed, etc.

Then it’s time to make a perfect, long cut at exactly 90-degrees, on each side of both pieces. This will be the glue up joint for the edge-joining. I used my Festool TSC 75. I didn’t even need to sand the joints—they come out perfect. And of course a tracksaw is exactly what you want to keep it perfectly straight. The cut was so long that I had to join to tracks together. But that saw is so good that you I could skip using my Powermatic 3hp 12” Jointer.

Then cutting the domino mortises. I used 10mm x 140mm, spaced at 12” apart. The middle one is perfectly tight and the ones on the other side are looser since they are used just for vertical alignment.

Glue up with every clamp I have. :) They are compressed at 750 lbs of pressure using a hex driver in the handle, and then left for 24 hours to fully dry/cure.

Then through the thickness planer one more time to clean up the long joint (not pictured). Believe me, this was the heaviest physical work. The longest piece weighed 120 lbs or so and I did it alone. Not fun.

Then a little sanding (120 grit and then 220 grit) with the Festool ETS 150mm EC. But the thickness planer has a helical head, and it comes out nearly ready for the final finishing.

Then I used the Festool MFK 700 w/ a ¼” roundover bit.

Then a hot branding iron.

Then finishing with a General Finishes wipe on.

Then the installation today!

About 50 hours (not including the trip to measure or the trip to install).


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Offline David

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Re: Ash Bartops
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2020, 07:54 PM »
Not sure if this will show up, but I've uploaded a video of the planing setup.

video

If that doesn't work, here's the link (just put it after http://)

player.vimeo.com/external/449888457.hd.mp4?s=2ae3df1f0756a6da8924fcb5038894100c2c60f0&profile_id=174
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Offline rvieceli

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Re: Ash Bartops
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2020, 07:59 PM »
Very nice work. Love the way it turned out.

Nice shop BTW

Ron

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Re: Ash Bartops
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2020, 08:05 PM »
Very nice work. Love the way it turned out.

Nice shop BTW

Ron

Thank you! It's a royal mess at the moment.

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Offline Thompmd

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Re: Ash Bartops
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2020, 08:59 PM »
Hi David

Love the way it turned out, nice shop too! I fool with long heavy live edge so it made me smile when I read about your handling.

Thanks for sharing
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Re: Ash Bartops
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2020, 09:15 PM »
Hi David

Love the way it turned out, nice shop too! I fool with long heavy live edge so it made me smile when I read about your handling.

Thank you! I like documenting things as I do them, too.
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Offline Thompmd

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Re: Ash Bartops
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2020, 08:41 AM »
Did the pieces you received from the mill have live edges and you cut w/TS75?. I’m glad to see you ran them back through the planer after jointing ... I’m new and did some joints recently and although my planer wasn’t big enough I had a fair amount of sanding from the joints not lining up.

One of the many reasons I enjoy the pics/depth/details of the stories, they sure help this newbie.

Part of the reason I asked about the live edge is I get a lot of live edge slabs at a pretty good price and that’s how I get my lumber for projects and I actually sell a few which gives me my wood free to play with.
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Re: Ash Bartops
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2020, 01:45 PM »
Did the pieces you received from the mill have live edges and you cut w/TS75?. I’m glad to see you ran them back through the planer after jointing ... I’m new and did some joints recently and although my planer wasn’t big enough I had a fair amount of sanding from the joints not lining up.

One of the many reasons I enjoy the pics/depth/details of the stories, they sure help this newbie.

Part of the reason I asked about the live edge is I get a lot of live edge slabs at a pretty good price and that’s how I get my lumber for projects and I actually sell a few which gives me my wood free to play with.

Yes, they had live edges. Well, they were cut, but it was really rough, so it might as well have been live edges.

One way to get the edges to light up better is to use a lot of dominoes or biscuits. Another is to be sure that you clamp them from the top and the bottom, alternating between. That'll eliminate some warping, too.
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Offline Thompmd

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Re: Ash Bartops
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2020, 06:05 PM »
Thanks for the additional domino tip, my first project I don’t think I had enough. No problems yet but only a few months ago.

Hadn’t thought of clamping from both the top/bottom.

Another thing I’ve ran into is how tight to clamp(I use 40” k body revo. Clamps). Not sure how tight to get, seems like they bowed? I had to be really careful making sure they stayed flat as I tightened
Sawstop Industrial Saw, TS75,2 1400 rails, CT36, Rotex RO 150 FEQ, CT-VA-20, Carvex PS 420 EBQ, Carvex acc. ZH-SYS-PS 400, Kapex KS 120, CT Cyclone Dust Collection Pre-Separator CT VA 20, DF 500 Q Set, Domino 1,060pc Tenon Assortment, UG-KA-SET Portable Imperial Stand & Extensions,OF1400 EQ-F-Plus, MFT/3, MFT-SP, FS-HZ 160