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Offline 08G8V8

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #150 on: November 24, 2019, 04:06 PM »
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I am trying to decide on how to make this corner connection of 1515 verticals to 1530 horizontals. 

I know running the 1515 verticals all the way to the top of the 1530 horizontals would be the strongest connection, but more work on routing clamp access to the slots.

Is this connection pretty solid, or would you recommend doing like Richard did which is in between these 2 options? 

Thanks

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Offline rst

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #151 on: November 24, 2019, 05:19 PM »
Use 3" x 3" - 1/4" angle on fastened on the inside.  Do not overlap the sides much like the MFT horizontals, this will negate having to rout an access slot to use your clamps.  Fasten your legs to the angle on the inside of the angle.  You could even use a pivoting fastener to fold the legs...again like the MFT. 

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #152 on: November 24, 2019, 06:00 PM »
Use 3" x 3" - 1/4" angle on fastened on the inside.  Do not overlap the sides much like the MFT horizontals, this will negate having to rout an access slot to use your clamps.  Fasten your legs to the angle on the inside of the angle.  You could even use a pivoting fastener to fold the legs...again like the MFT.

Do you have a pic of this setup?  I am thinking I would need to inset the vertical legs 1.5" in each direction to join with an internal 3 x 3 angle.

Offline 08G8V8

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #153 on: November 24, 2019, 06:48 PM »
You mean like this?

Offline rst

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #154 on: November 25, 2019, 09:43 AM »
Yup, that would work.  I never actually built mine as I have two MFTs.  I have built a lot of jigs with 8020 and actually keep a lot of extrusions in case a brain fart has me modifying anything or building something new.

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #155 on: November 25, 2019, 01:37 PM »
Depends on whether you need to have both slots in the 1530 open. If not, I'd be inclined to keep the 1515 upright in the original position and use the end fastener method to secure it to the 1530 bottom holes. You can add some of the 90 degree tee-nut dinguses for additional support.

Opening the slots for clamp access is really simple with a 1/4" bit and 30mm template guide ring. If I had it to do over again that's the approach I'd take.

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #156 on: November 25, 2019, 01:49 PM »
Depends on whether you need to have both slots in the 1530 open. If not, I'd be inclined to keep the 1515 upright in the original position and use the end fastener method to secure it to the 1530 bottom holes. You can add some of the 90 degree tee-nut dinguses for additional support.

Opening the slots for clamp access is really simple with a 1/4" bit and 30mm template guide ring. If I had it to do over again that's the approach I'd take.

RMW

You saying to ditch the tri-corner bracket as well and just run the 1515 vertical all the way up and connect using (2) end fasteners in each direction?

I saw your method for milling the slots without the Festool MFS, which I also don't have.  I will be ordering my extrusion this coming week.  Need to order up some extra sections to test this process.

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #157 on: November 25, 2019, 02:06 PM »
Depends on whether you need to have both slots in the 1530 open. If not, I'd be inclined to keep the 1515 upright in the original position and use the end fastener method to secure it to the 1530 bottom holes. You can add some of the 90 degree tee-nut dinguses for additional support.

Opening the slots for clamp access is really simple with a 1/4" bit and 30mm template guide ring. If I had it to do over again that's the approach I'd take.

RMW

You saying to ditch the tri-corner bracket as well and just run the 1515 vertical all the way up and connect using (2) end fasteners in each direction?

I saw your method for milling the slots without the Festool MFS, which I also don't have.  I will be ordering my extrusion this coming week.  Need to order up some extra sections to test this process.

That approach would be super strong. You do need to drill an access hole in the slot accurately but it's simple with their jig or even a drill press. Then tap the ends of the 1530 and you are golden.

Saves a ton of money on brackets.

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Offline 08G8V8

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #158 on: November 25, 2019, 02:22 PM »
Yeah, I planned on ordering the drill jig for the 1530 profile and then use it for both the 1515 and 1530.

Think I'll stick with my original plan and run the 1515 verticals all the way up and connect with (2) end fasteners and mill out clamp slots.

Offline rst

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #159 on: November 25, 2019, 03:40 PM »
You can avoid the interference problem by attaching the leg on the inside of the angle bracket.

Offline 08G8V8

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #160 on: November 25, 2019, 07:38 PM »
You can avoid the interference problem by attaching the leg on the inside of the angle bracket.

So something like this?  What kind of fasteners do you use with this?  Just screws and nutplates?

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #161 on: November 25, 2019, 09:52 PM »

Here's another option. You can overlap the extrusions where they meet by just 2/3rds, this gives you enough room to get a clamp in to both sides, and enough surface area to bolt them together.

However, there's not enough room to cover then end of the extrusion. So it get's full of saw dust and I found it got caught on clothes. Both could be solved, I've been thinking about 3D printing a cover that leaves the channel open but covers the holes but I haven't gotten around it....
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #162 on: November 25, 2019, 11:21 PM »

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #163 on: November 26, 2019, 09:38 AM »
You can avoid the interference problem by attaching the leg on the inside of the angle bracket.

So something like this?  What kind of fasteners do you use with this?  Just screws and nutplates?

In that configuration you can skip the blue angle and still use the access hole method, instead of the end fastener threading into the tapped hole you's use a t-nut in the 1530 slots.

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Offline 08G8V8

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #164 on: November 26, 2019, 09:45 AM »
You can avoid the interference problem by attaching the leg on the inside of the angle bracket.

So something like this?  What kind of fasteners do you use with this?  Just screws and nutplates?

In that configuration you can skip the blue angle and still use the access hole method, instead of the end fastener threading into the tapped hole you's use a t-nut in the 1530 slots.

RMW

Yeah, I was trying to model a 3x3 angle to see what rst was talking about with nesting the leg inside the angle.

This would make things much easier and quicker to assemble, but would have to sacrifice 3” of storage in both length and width.


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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #165 on: November 27, 2019, 02:32 AM »
You can avoid the interference problem by attaching the leg on the inside of the angle bracket.

So something like this?  What kind of fasteners do you use with this?  Just screws and nutplates?

In that configuration you can skip the blue angle and still use the access hole method, instead of the end fastener threading into the tapped hole you's use a t-nut in the 1530 slots.

RMW

Yeah, I was trying to model a 3x3 angle to see what rst was talking about with nesting the leg inside the angle.

This would make things much easier and quicker to assemble, but would have to sacrifice 3” of storage in both length and width.


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Offline 08G8V8

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #166 on: December 20, 2019, 03:40 PM »

FWIW, if you decide to go with standard glides, after some trial/error I concluded that the best end panel is made up of 2 pieces of 1/2" laminated then you route a dado leaving an 8mm (5/16") tongue to slip into the slot. With the 15 series profile this leaves the inside face of the panel a couple MM proud of the extrusion and it's simple to mound the glides. These photos show what I am referring to.

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Richard, do you still feel this is the best way to go? What about the center dividers, use 3/4 plywood?

I have my 8020 material all tapped and access holes drilled, very similar to your cart.  I am working out what I want to do with the lower portion of the cart, probably drawers on one bank, slide out trays on the middle bank, and maybe leaving the 3rd bank for a Festool MINI or MIDI extractor.

I am laying out the sidewalls and dividers and shelf to determine my material purchase for plywood.

I'm hoping to get this cart wrapped up over this Christmas break.

Thanks

Offline j.wendell

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #167 on: April 15, 2020, 05:41 PM »
Wandering into the bottom of my cart as well, did you come up with a method for the drawer slides?

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #168 on: October 17, 2020, 03:22 PM »
Whelp, buleev it or not, I found room for another ~27" by 46" cart in the black hole workshop. Been braining myself to find a way to get the Shapeoko off the upper worksurface and a storage/working cart for the infrequent times I actually use the planer. This accomplished both and triples as a router table to boot. Only requirement is the plywood/offcut stash is going to need to find a new home, still TBD.



Just completed the frame, incorporating a 600mm square router table top that's been lurking in the corner for years. I'm waiting for some supports for the ply shelves to finish printing to complete the assembly.





Basic idea is:
  • The planer will live on the narrow lower shelf and be move up to the top for use (was considering making it a "flip" top but for once I uncomplicated things a tad)
  • The SO3 lives on the large intermediate shelf
  • The router top will be hinged at the rear, to use the SO3 I need to flip it up/latch it somehow
  • The CNC control panel will attach to the bottom of the router top
  • The SO3 Z carriage is moved to the rear/left when the top is down & the router fits to the front/right of it when in use - I think I can access all the router controls
  • The SO3 shelf needed to be wider than the preexisting router top, rather than remake it I just cantilevered the balance of the top
  • During the 99% of shop time none of these tools are in use the cart lives in the corner where the ply/planer currently squat
  • There is some unclaimed space below the SO3 and above the planer yet to be filled, I'll probably toss the excess materials in there until I get something more permanent figured out
  • When not in use for routing it gives me an additional worksurface, same height as everything else on wheels




Can't wait to get the worksurface cleared off get a couple more bench tools arranged for easier use. That was the prime motivation to do this.

RMW

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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #169 on: October 17, 2020, 05:12 PM »
Good solution, but you might want to move one pair of casters (or add another) beneath the inboard uprights. As it is, the bending resistance of the lower rails is keeping the top flat. When all the things are loaded on it might not remain flat.

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #170 on: October 18, 2020, 06:04 AM »
Good solution, but you might want to move one pair of casters (or add another) beneath the inboard uprights. As it is, the bending resistance of the lower rails is keeping the top flat. When all the things are loaded on it might not remain flat.

Interesting point, hadn't considered it.

The middle horizontal extrusions do add some rigidity, but this is the first time I've made a cart without the full top extrusion so I could be underestimating the flex. I'll stress it a bit and see if I get any flex. I think it'll be okay but not totally sure.

Thanks,

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Offline Mike35x95x1

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Re: (Yet another) 80/20 MFT/SYS Cart
« Reply #171 on: Today at 05:22 AM »
Richard

I like the design.  Looks like it will give you a lot of storage plus some good strength.  80/20 is really great stuff.  I drew my drawing in Sketchup like you and then sent it to the 80/20 rep for his refinements and quoting.  Worked great to go back and forth that way.

Here's an 80/20 bench I made for Systainers and other items.  Might give you some ideas.

 - The upper shelf uses 80/20 back rails with extra standoffs to extend around the overlay top.  I like having the upper shelf so I don't have to bend down for every item.  Most of the overhead Systainers actually go to a destination - like router bits to the CMS or the Vecturo being used away from the shop.
 - The sortainers have a strip across the back to hold them in place and keep them from sliding.  There is space behind them for seldom used tools.
 - I did a vise on the end with the top offset to provide clearance and the wheels lock giving me a very sturdy bench
 - Bottom shelf is for 'future purchases'
 - I got the heavy maple top at Woodcraft.  I have a couple of other tables drilled for 20mm holes and clamping
 - The plywood shelves were finished with acrylic poly and dropped in place to fit between the posts during assembly.  Looks like you are capturing yours in the 80/20 rails.  I wanted mine to allow full access rather than having the rail extend above them, reducing access from the edge.  [size=78%]They are all screwed down to T-nuts captured in the 80/20[/size]
 - You can't see it but I captured a power strip on the side rails on the left side with T-Nuts for easy power.

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I debated doing pull out shelves but I have the full Systainer port to the left and several other pull out storage units in the shop.

Might give you some ideas.

Neil
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