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Offline mattbyington

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[Project 38] Black Limba Entertainment Center
« on: December 09, 2020, 06:52 PM »
Hi team,

Following some advice from @ryan_k on a previous build, I'm posting this early, as I'm just starting to do some material breakdown. My wife's favorite wood is Black Limba and that's what I've used for a few things inside the house so it all matches. This will be a new entertainment center (the thing the TV sits on). Our current one is some IKEA piece of garbage :)

I did a rough design in Fusion 360 (rough because haven't decided on legs yet).

In terms of wood movement, my plan on this one is to align all the panels so that the width of the panel runs from front to back ("into" the depth). That way when the wood contracts or expands, the entire cabinet basically will gain .25-.5" of depth (or lose it) but nothing would break. Meaning, no shelves glued in like the record player cabinet that are going the opposite direction grain wise!

I will post more pics as I get started... any feedback is welcome as always.

Matt


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Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 38] Black Limba Entertainment Center
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2020, 06:57 PM »
Note that there are 3 reasons why it's a rough sketch so far:

1) It has no feet
2) It has no door (which will be in the middle)
3) The shelves will be adjustable with shelf pin holes (so there will be clearance, no worries about wood movement there).

Also the color is wrong (obviously) but this is a rough sketch...


Offline mattbyington

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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2020, 07:00 PM »
The plan is for it to have somewhat of a "false back" so we can store the router, Apple TV, etc etc behind there in a self-contained way.
Broke down the lumber a bit but this is as far as I have gotten so far.

Matt

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Offline neilc

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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2020, 07:18 PM »
Nice work. Don’t think I’ve ever seen Black Limba before.  Should finish nicely.


Is that meant to hold electronics?  Just wondering about access holes for wiring between the shelves and thru the back.  You might try laying it on the front and using your Shaper to cut horizontal slots for access in the back.




Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 38] Black Limba Entertainment Center
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2020, 07:24 PM »
@neilc thanks so much!! We are going to mount the electronics to the back using that extra 6" or so of depth behind the "false" back. That is the purpose of that. Hopefully no electronics need to go on the shelves but if they do that is a great idea and use of the shaper. good call.

We did the big glue up just now. it was stressful! also painted the back a nice General Finishes Driftwood.

Matt








Offline Blues

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Re: [Project 38] Black Limba Entertainment Center
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2020, 05:27 PM »
Awesome build Matt.. thanks for sharing pictures. you are so wonderfully organized. Your place looks so inviting to work. A place for everything and everything in its place. Speaks a lot about the person you are. Love the choice of wood. 
Couple of ideas to share: i usually create a double wall to hide cabling. Your equipment might change when you upgrade but your cables remain the same. So invest in good quality cables and kind of embed them into your build. Also i'd suggest you plan for led lighting and route channels so you can kinda inlay the led strips. Try to use a switch like the ones in old refrigerator where it turns on when you open the door. Do share pictures as you make progress.
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Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 38] Black Limba Entertainment Center
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2020, 12:52 PM »
@Blues thanks so much for your kind words! Really appreciate it!

I did actually create a "faux back" sort of - left about 7" of space at the back, let me post more pictures! I got power strips installed there.

I don't think we're going to LED strips (my wife thinks it's tacky) but definitely a good idea for future!

We made a ton of progress over the past week, and my Wife had a really cool idea for the door (it was a LOT of work...lots of glue ups). I think because each piece is only 2" wide expansion won't be an issue but we'll see.

Matt

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Offline hdv

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Re: [Project 38] Black Limba Entertainment Center
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2020, 02:51 PM »
Hi Matt, I don't want to rain on your parade, but it really doesn't matter that you have pieces of "only" 2". The total expansion will still be the same over the accumulated width. Here you have 12 pieces of 2" across the grain. They will definitely expand/contract with changes in moisture. The longest horizontal pieces are the equivalent of 11 pieces of 2", but now along the grain. Those will have almost negligible movement with changes in moisture length-wise. Also remember that a glue joint on end grain isn't the strongest. I don't know the properties of Black Limba in this regard, but unless this door is placed in a moisture-stable environment you will have to expect trouble. Maybe not immediately, but in the longer term it will be almost unavoidable.
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Offline Alex

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Re: [Project 38] Black Limba Entertainment Center
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2020, 03:25 PM »
I like the look of the door with all the pieces like that. If there's any trouble later on you can adress it then.

Offline Roachmill

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« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2020, 04:59 PM »
I'd be surprised if you're not making new doors at some point as any movement in any piece will affect any adjacent piece. There's a reason floating panels or t&g in doors are a thing. Veneer strips on a stable base would get you a similar effect and not have the destructive forces laying in wait you have there.

Offline Vondawg

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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2020, 06:39 PM »
Great ideas and design Matt...looking good Byingtons ! Having only seen guitars made of the wood I love seeing it
There are no mistakes....just new designs.

Offline cpw

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Re: [Project 38] Black Limba Entertainment Center
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2020, 11:16 PM »
The door definitely has a cool look.  I too worry about expansion causing the glue joints to blow out.

I'm not sure how I would try to achieve the same look, but a thin veneer over a plywood substrate might work well.  If you wanted to keep solid wood, then maybe you could do tongue and grooves.  There would be a lot of them, and keeping what is meant to be a tounge and what is meant to be a groove straight is surely challenging, but I think doable.  You might add a small chamfer detail to make the expansion less noticeable like is done on ECB pine boards.  The chamfer would change the look, but it might be close enough to what you wanted to achieve.

I wouldn't redo the door at this point, since it may last for a while or it may not.  At which point you get to decide what the most fun type of replacement is.  For me, trying out new techniques that stretch my abilities on each project is part of the fun.

Offline tallgrass

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Re: [Project 38] Black Limba Entertainment Center
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2020, 04:27 AM »
I think it is great! Fantastic job.

Offline mattbyington

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« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2020, 11:51 PM »
@hdv thank you for your input, I appreciate it! I'll be sure to update this thread in a year or two if it does move ... since it'll be in our house, which is climate controlled year-round, and Northern California has very low (and consistently low) humidity I think it might be ok!

@Alex thanks man! that's my thought, too.

@Roachmill understood, thanks. I thought about T&G...my wife really wanted this look. It's a door - like you said - easy to remake whenever. It's just a rectangle, and the hinges will drop right in.

@Vondawg thank you! it's my wife's favorite species.

@cpw thanks so much man, appreciate it. really appreciate your feedback.

@tallgrass thank you sir!!

Well team it's all done now ...  and onto the next one ... here are some final pictures. My wife is very pleased, and we were able to organize all the electronics on the back.

Matt

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Offline Roachmill

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« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2020, 04:49 AM »
@hdv thank you for your input, I appreciate it! I'll be sure to update this thread in a year or two if it does move ... since it'll be in our house, which is climate controlled year-round, and Northern California has very low (and consistently low) humidity I think it might be ok!

@Roachmill understood, thanks. I thought about T&G...my wife really wanted this look. It's a door - like you said - easy to remake whenever. It's just a rectangle, and the hinges will drop right in.
FWIW, the comments about movement considerations IMHO come from thinking about the lifetime of something you make. I have pieces made by long-gone family members that have been passed around; living those parts of the furniture's life in all sorts of environments. That's why I personally try and allow for movement in things I make as I hope they will be around long after I'm gone. It's a [mostly] enjoyable part of the challenge when designing something - to make it last wherever it may end up.

Offline hdv

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Re: [Project 38] Black Limba Entertainment Center
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2020, 07:06 AM »
That's looking great Matt! And remember, it's all about enjoying your hobby. If I am not mistaken you are doing that to the fullest! You keep producing pieces at a speed I could only dream of. I wouldn't know where to find the spare time. My business has a tendency to gobble it all up.   [unsure]  As you said, that door can be replaced easily enough if it does happen to crack sometime in the future.

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« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2020, 09:51 AM »
Nice work, Matt.  What did you use for the finish?

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« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2020, 02:47 PM »
@mattbyington

Looks fantastic!  [thumbs up] [thumbs up] [thumbs up]

And thank you for all the progress posts and pictures.  That hidden wire area is slick - great idea!

Mike A.

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« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2020, 07:35 PM »
Matt, I like what you do, as it speaks to me of a creative mind. Your work is neat and clean, which shows your care and attention.

We have spoken about wood movement before, and this is as much an important feature of design and construction as the work itself. One of the concerns I have about all the modern day joinery methods - such as biscuits and dominos (and I own these tools myself) - is that they provide a shortcut to construction for those starting out. One of the benefits of learning traditional joinery is that ii is more likely that, slowing down, one pays attention to wood movement.

I fear that the mechanical joiners of this world encourage the building of furniture that only has to last a few years. By contrast, I expect everything I build (with traditional joinery and attention to grain direction and expansion) to last a century. If anyone wants it, of course  [unsure]

Have you considered a piece with traditional joinery?

Regards from Perth

Derek
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Offline mattbyington

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« Reply #28 on: December 26, 2020, 09:27 PM »
@Roachmill no that makes perfect sense. I am still learning. In all honesty my skill level isn't quite up to snuff. I have only been woodworking for 3 years since 2017 and am still trying to learn things. I need to get better at allowing for movement. absolutely.

@hdv absolutely!! the door will be easy to replace. if/when I need to!

@neilc ty sir. General Finishes HPTC (High performance top coat) in Satin. 3 coats, sanding in between w /500 grit, and a fourth super light coat for the top.

@mike_aa thank you so much! Really appreciate it.

@derekcohen thanks so much man. I appreciate it.

That's a really great idea. I have a table saw now (new addition from a few months ago) which I didn't have before (did most everything on the track saw). So making tenons etc will be much easier with the table saw.

I will have to pull myself away from the Domino to do that but I concur that it'd be a useful lesson on how to do it the hard way.

Thanks everyone as always for your feedback. It means a lot to me.

Matt

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Re: [Project 38] Black Limba Entertainment Center
« Reply #29 on: December 26, 2020, 11:47 PM »
It's a cool project, and the look is nice.  How do you like working with the Limba?  It looks like a relatively soft wood - any issues with 'bruising' it?

re: the door and wood movement - I think the idea was cool.  It reminds me of parquetry. If it blows up, one way you might redo it would be to slice up some 1/16" thick veneers w/ your bandsaw and redo the pattern that way.  In my mind, this gives you a little more room to play with the grain patterns - you could do some bookmatching or repeat the same grain graphics in a way that you probably couldn't do if you used solid wood.

The way you hid the electronics + wire is clever - it definitely keeps them hidden and they probably get more air circulation the way you have them than inside a cabinet.  One thought I had was about maybe add a mesh dust cover of some kind over the back?   I just took the hard drive out of my 2010 macbook pro and I was really surprised how much dust had built up inside the laptop. I don't know if dust even matters anymore for electronics, though.

-Adam




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« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2020, 12:50 PM »
Simply amazing work Matt well done

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Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 38] Black Limba Entertainment Center
« Reply #31 on: January 01, 2021, 08:27 PM »
@mrFinpgh It is very soft! Janka of about 500. Half of soft maple. It's "OK" to work with.  Not great, but my wife loves the look so I endure, ha.

Great idea with the door. Veneer would be the way to go I think.

Regarding dust that's a great point. I'll see if I can find some mesh. We do pull things out every 3-6 month or so and dust/vacuum (wife likes to clean) so we might be OK.

@jobsworth thank you so much sir! appreciate it!

Matt