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Offline mattbyington

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[Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« on: May 11, 2020, 06:48 PM »
Hey team,

My wife came up with the design! It's for friends of ours.

The idea is that it's a little bit "modern" with a design on the doors.

So far I've only milled up the doors, we spent all day yesterday playing with different patterns on the doors to find out what we liked. Should be fun!

Matt






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Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2020, 06:49 PM »





Offline neilc

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2020, 07:12 PM »
Cool - are you going to do an inlay in the kerf cuts?

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2020, 07:29 PM »
@neilc yes sir that's the plan, cherry!

matt

Offline kcufstoidi

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2020, 08:04 AM »
Your idea is interesting Matt, this is just a bit of info on the 2 woods you are using. Black Walnut will lighten and change to a range of dark to light caramel colours with age. Cherry will darken with age to similar tones.  So if a contrast is what you are looking in the project it will be there initially but diminish with age, really noticeable after the first couple of years. If subtle is what you're after use the 2 woods, if bold try a something different than cherry.

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2020, 12:49 PM »
@kcufstoidi thank you so much for taking the time to write that up! I was looking for a bit more contrast, sounds like I should have used Maple :( or Holly.

oh well ... too late now!! :)

Matt








Offline mike_aa

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2020, 01:14 PM »
Matt, Nice design and execution!

Mike A.

Offline mrFinpgh

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2020, 01:22 PM »
It's not entirely too late!  A lot of folks will apply some dye to walnut as part of their finishing schedule.  That would be an option in this case, if you masked the cherry inlay and then applied dye to the walnut that should mitigate some of the aging effects that @kcufstoidi mentions.  Of course, you would need to figure out if that kind of color works for you.

Cool design.

Offline Rich Kline

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2020, 03:06 PM »
@mrFinpgh and @kcufstoidi do either of you have experience with Festool Surfix Heavy Duty Oil/Wax?  I have made several walnut pieces finished with Surfix and I'm not seeing color change that I'm seeing on a number of my walnut cutting boards.   I think @JoryBrigham told me that the heavy duty had UV protection, but it's not even clear that the walnut needs to be exposed to light to change color.

Thanks for any insight.

Rich

Offline JoryBrigham

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2020, 07:57 PM »
The Outdoor has UV protection can’t say for sure the heavy duty does Rich.

Offline mrFinpgh

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2020, 08:21 PM »
I haven't used surfix, but from what I recall it's basically a hardwax oil finish. I don't know what you finish your cutting boards with @richklein but I think basically wood changes colors due to oxidation.  For the same reason, you can age cherry by letting it sit out in the sun or you can wash it with lye. So some finish is going to slow that down more than no finish or mineral oil finish.   I think that the sunlight exposure basically accelerates this process, and would guess that if you left your pieces out in the sun for a couple days they would begin to show some signs of fading.


Offline kcufstoidi

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2020, 09:20 AM »
I use hard wax oils all the time. The only thing that offers any type of UV protection is a pigmented oil that actually blocks the UV. Any clear oil and you're just shouting in the wind no matter BS the manufacturer says. The fact that most don't know walnut lightens with age and cherry is very deceiving being light when first cut is why I mentioned it in the first place. Anyone working with wood should understand the natural ageing process and study by looking at older pieces. Saves long term disappointments and allows you to use the characteristics for long term design, this is unless you're just making firewood. UV protection or not all woods will colour age over time and its a process thats almost impossible to stop.

As far as sunlight exposure, cherry can show darkening in several hours, not so with Black Walnut. It takes time. Also be careful with maple especially with long term storage of planed product. Exposed ends and sections will noticeably darken just sitting in the shop. These dark section are hard to sand out and often take a light planing to restore an even colouration.

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2020, 01:12 PM »
@mike_aa thanks!

@mrFinpgh good point thanks I will look into that!

Both doors are done now, finally! Here's a pic.

Now to start on the main carcass.

Matt


Offline rmhinden

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2020, 01:40 PM »
Matt,

Nice work.

I think you are going to need a bigger garage :-)

Bob

Offline tallgrass

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2020, 02:56 PM »
Did you use the saw or a router?

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2020, 03:02 PM »
@rmhinden definitely haha and thanks!

@tallgrass for the grooves for the inlays? I used the router! OF1400 with an undersized 1/4" plywood bit from Whiteside!

Matt

Offline tallgrass

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2020, 03:22 PM »
OOPS, I did not think about that. :) For the groves. I could see using the saw. I have used both on the same grooove in the past. The saw to score and prevent tear out and the router to remove the material. Mounting the router on the rail make that a snap. Great work by the way.

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2020, 03:36 PM »
@tallgrass makes sense to me! I had the router running on the track while doing these, worked well! They're only 1/4" deep so 1 pass was all it took!

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2020, 04:08 PM »
The base is done


Offline Svar

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2020, 04:10 PM »
Is wood grain running perpendicular to the feet length? It sure looks that way.

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2020, 04:24 PM »
@Svar yes it is, is that bad? I heard from one other person (I posted this picture my Instagram as well which is @matthewbyington in case anyone is on there, too).

And someone gave me the bad news, too, that this wasn't quite as strong as if I had turned the grain 90 degrees.

Whoops! I guess you live and learn.

Do you think it's bad enough that I should re-do it?

Matt

Offline Svar

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2020, 04:29 PM »
Feet will be brittle. Don't drag the stand over the floor [big grin]. Over long time cracks might develop. It would have been fine for a jewelry box, but not for a TV stand. I would redo it.

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2020, 04:53 PM »
Got it. Thank you @Svar i really appreciate you taking the time to educate me on that!

Matt

Offline Cheese

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2020, 05:09 PM »
With the grain running in that direction, they become cleavage planes when a sudden force is applied as a side load.

I really like the looks of it but as Svar said, better to save that for a jewelry box.
« Last Edit: May 21, 2020, 05:41 PM by Cheese »

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2020, 05:13 PM »
@Cheese got it that makes perfect sense! Appreciate you chiming in!

Great to learn this for the future.

Right now I am in a bit of a holding pattern as I am out of wood :) I always order from woodworkers source.com and I placed another order for 20 board feet of cherry and 20 board feet of walnut on May 8 but they haven't shipped it yet...

So I hope to make more progress but am waiting on wood...

Matt

Offline Svar

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2020, 05:29 PM »
You can find horizontal feet grain direction on some traditional furniture as shown below, but those feet are wide and short, made of two pieces connected at right angle.


Offline lshah72414

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2020, 05:35 PM »
Am I misunderstanding, are  you guys saying the leg grain should be perpendicular to floor and not parallel?

Offline CeeJay

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2020, 05:49 PM »
The leg grain should be parallel to the long side of the leg.

If you really like the look of the horizontal grain (and it does look nice) you can always consider putting a veneer on but for a curved profile leg that will be hard to achieve a nice look on the outside corner.


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Offline lshah72414

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2020, 06:02 PM »
Got it . Thank you

Offline Vondawg

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2020, 07:05 PM »
Matt please don’t add any dye to those pieces Of beautiful walnut, with all that purplish color (usually from a more “air” dried process) let the greatness shine thru.
Nice job!
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Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2020, 07:09 PM »
I think the base look very good!

I do agree that the legs might have a weak point grain going parallel to the floor.
- But it looks good  [wink]

I’m not familiar with working with the same wood as you do over there. Some wood can handle a lot of stress, but usually that means fine grained (or crowded as we say) This looks like it is far in between.

Could drilling in a long and fairly thick round dowel glued like a long tenon almost as long as the feet itself rescue the design?
The dowel wouldn’t be visible either, otherwise you could dadoe in a piece of wood on the rear side as well and glue it in as a part of the (rear) design.

Tried to do a very quick sketch up:



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Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2020, 08:12 PM »
@Vondawg I won't, promise!

@FestitaMakool that is a great idea!! I have some of the tapered / stepped wood dowels (can't remember the name right now) but that might work super well! Good idea!!

Matt

Offline rvieceli

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2020, 08:32 PM »
@mattbyington Same here no dye or stain on that wood. Looks nice.

I'm actually liking the grain on the legs. I vote for wild and crazy  [eek]

Pull the legs. Split them right down the middle top to bottom down the narrow edge on your band saw. Now take a piece of walnut with the grain vertical and laminate the three pieces together. I'd make the walnut thicker than the stretchers. Shape everything back and re-attach. you will wind up with thicker legs but they should be strong enough.

Ron

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2020, 09:00 PM »
What rvieceli says is a good idea!
I presumed you’d glued the legs to the frame - mortise & tendon or Domino perhaps?

Whatever you do, the legs look great as is!
I’m with the no dye or stain group here - But don’t listen too hard, it’s your project! [wink]
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Offline kcufstoidi

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2020, 07:32 AM »
Matt your legs are fine, what others are missing is that the grain in the curly maple usually runs about 90 degrees to the curl. I use a lot of curly maple and never had an issue. Your weakest point in this case is the connection between the walnut horizontal and the vertical curly maple leg.

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2020, 11:11 AM »
@rvieceli not a bad idea thank you! I'll noodle it....

@FestitaMakool oh yeah those puppies are SUPER glued on :) 8mm domino through....

@kcufstoidi thanks, that's good information. That connection has an 8 mm domino through it,40mm long.

I'll noodle on it team...thanks... I'll hopefully get some more work and pictures this weekend!

Mr. Fedex informed me yesterday the wood has fINALLY shipped and has a miraculous estimated delivery date of this Saturday (tomorrow) so I may just be able to make progress this long weekend!

Matt

Offline JimD

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2020, 11:31 AM »
Nicely done.  I wouldn't remake the legs.  They look like they are pretty thick and they are not super narrow so that will help despite the non traditional grain orientation.  TVs are also pretty light these days.  My guess is it will be fine.  If somebody light sit on it, then I might remake them.

If you want to get a feel for what it will take to break them you could make one from scrap and hit it with a deadblow.  My guess is you will have difficulty getting it to break.

Offline kcufstoidi

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2020, 11:38 AM »
Matt another warning, don't trust super glue with wood. There is an extreme amount of BS surrounding super glues and wood spread by forums like this along with instagram and Youtube super heros. With normal seasonal changes the joints will fracture. Unfortunately found this out the hard way. The glue becomes too hard and brittle, doesn't take even subtle wood movement well. The only place it works good is filling hairline cracks and as a temporary bond used it conjunction with a PVA.

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2020, 11:54 AM »
@JimD thanks man! Yes the legs come from 6/4 stock of solid Cherry, so they are definitely thicker than the other pieces in this build (4/4).

@kcufstoidi I never do! This whole build was Titebond 2. Which is my go-to. I rarely make outdoor furniture so TB3 isn't really needed.

Thanks so much for all the advice everyone!

Matt

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2020, 12:35 PM »
Matt another warning, don't trust super glue with wood. There is an extreme amount of BS surrounding super glues and wood spread by forums like this along with instagram and Youtube super heros. With normal seasonal changes the joints will fracture. Unfortunately found this out the hard way. The glue becomes too hard and brittle, doesn't take even subtle wood movement well. The only place it works good is filling hairline cracks and as a temporary bond used it conjunction with a PVA.

For all of these reasons I also quit using super glue for securing magnets in wood. After some time the bond line fractures and the magnet is sitting somewhere else. This becomes a problem if the magnet is used as a hidden latch or as a hidden door opener.  [eek]

Offline FestitaMakool

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« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2020, 07:22 PM »
Good to hear that some more are a bit sceptical to superglue everything  [wink]
Although, hunting the right glue for the job isn’t always straightforward.

Looking forward to see what kind of solution you came up with!  [smile]
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Offline Svar

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2020, 07:43 PM »
Matt your legs are fine, what others are missing is that the grain in the curly maple usually runs about 90 degrees to the curl.
It is not curly maple. It's regular cherry with grain direction perpendicular to the length.

Legs might be fine now, but over time checks on the end grain may develop. It's inconsequential for parts with longitudinal grain direction, yet could result in failure in this case.

When I decide to invest my time to build a custom piece I think beyond now or this purpose or even this climate. Who knows where the piece will end up in 10 - 20 years, what will sit on it, who will lean against it or move it.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2020, 07:59 PM by Svar »

Offline CeeJay

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« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2020, 08:07 PM »
This piece is going to be stunning when it’s done Matt. Really nice work.


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Offline kcufstoidi

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2020, 09:03 PM »
Matt your legs are fine, what others are missing is that the grain in the curly maple usually runs about 90 degrees to the curl.
It is not curly maple. It's regular cherry with grain direction perpendicular to the length.

Legs might be fine now, but over time checks on the end grain may develop. It's inconsequential for parts with longitudinal grain direction, yet could result in failure in this case.

When I decide to invest my time to build a custom piece I think beyond now or this purpose or even this climate. Who knows where the piece will end up in 10 - 20 years, what will sit on it, who will lean against it or move it.

Well dip me in tar and cover me with feathers Svar you are right and I f---ked up big time with my assumption of curly maple. Should have actually read the whole thread instead of having a senior moment. That does have the potential for failure especially with the stress induced from the dominos.