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Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2020, 07:09 PM »
I think the base look very good!

I do agree that the legs might have a weak point grain going parallel to the floor.
- But it looks good  [wink]

I’m not familiar with working with the same wood as you do over there. Some wood can handle a lot of stress, but usually that means fine grained (or crowded as we say) This looks like it is far in between.

Could drilling in a long and fairly thick round dowel glued like a long tenon almost as long as the feet itself rescue the design?
The dowel wouldn’t be visible either, otherwise you could dadoe in a piece of wood on the rear side as well and glue it in as a part of the (rear) design.

Tried to do a very quick sketch up:



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Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2020, 08:12 PM »
@Vondawg I won't, promise!

@FestitaMakool that is a great idea!! I have some of the tapered / stepped wood dowels (can't remember the name right now) but that might work super well! Good idea!!

Matt

Offline rvieceli

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2020, 08:32 PM »
@mattbyington Same here no dye or stain on that wood. Looks nice.

I'm actually liking the grain on the legs. I vote for wild and crazy  [eek]

Pull the legs. Split them right down the middle top to bottom down the narrow edge on your band saw. Now take a piece of walnut with the grain vertical and laminate the three pieces together. I'd make the walnut thicker than the stretchers. Shape everything back and re-attach. you will wind up with thicker legs but they should be strong enough.

Ron

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2020, 09:00 PM »
What rvieceli says is a good idea!
I presumed you’d glued the legs to the frame - mortise & tendon or Domino perhaps?

Whatever you do, the legs look great as is!
I’m with the no dye or stain group here - But don’t listen too hard, it’s your project! [wink]
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Offline Gone

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2020, 07:32 AM »
Matt your legs are fine, what others are missing is that the grain in the curly maple usually runs about 90 degrees to the curl. I use a lot of curly maple and never had an issue. Your weakest point in this case is the connection between the walnut horizontal and the vertical curly maple leg.

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2020, 11:11 AM »
@rvieceli not a bad idea thank you! I'll noodle it....

@FestitaMakool oh yeah those puppies are SUPER glued on :) 8mm domino through....

@kcufstoidi thanks, that's good information. That connection has an 8 mm domino through it,40mm long.

I'll noodle on it team...thanks... I'll hopefully get some more work and pictures this weekend!

Mr. Fedex informed me yesterday the wood has fINALLY shipped and has a miraculous estimated delivery date of this Saturday (tomorrow) so I may just be able to make progress this long weekend!

Matt

Offline JimD

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2020, 11:31 AM »
Nicely done.  I wouldn't remake the legs.  They look like they are pretty thick and they are not super narrow so that will help despite the non traditional grain orientation.  TVs are also pretty light these days.  My guess is it will be fine.  If somebody light sit on it, then I might remake them.

If you want to get a feel for what it will take to break them you could make one from scrap and hit it with a deadblow.  My guess is you will have difficulty getting it to break.

Offline Gone

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2020, 11:38 AM »
Matt another warning, don't trust super glue with wood. There is an extreme amount of BS surrounding super glues and wood spread by forums like this along with instagram and Youtube super heros. With normal seasonal changes the joints will fracture. Unfortunately found this out the hard way. The glue becomes too hard and brittle, doesn't take even subtle wood movement well. The only place it works good is filling hairline cracks and as a temporary bond used it conjunction with a PVA.

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2020, 11:54 AM »
@JimD thanks man! Yes the legs come from 6/4 stock of solid Cherry, so they are definitely thicker than the other pieces in this build (4/4).

@kcufstoidi I never do! This whole build was Titebond 2. Which is my go-to. I rarely make outdoor furniture so TB3 isn't really needed.

Thanks so much for all the advice everyone!

Matt

Offline Cheese

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2020, 12:35 PM »
Matt another warning, don't trust super glue with wood. There is an extreme amount of BS surrounding super glues and wood spread by forums like this along with instagram and Youtube super heros. With normal seasonal changes the joints will fracture. Unfortunately found this out the hard way. The glue becomes too hard and brittle, doesn't take even subtle wood movement well. The only place it works good is filling hairline cracks and as a temporary bond used it conjunction with a PVA.

For all of these reasons I also quit using super glue for securing magnets in wood. After some time the bond line fractures and the magnet is sitting somewhere else. This becomes a problem if the magnet is used as a hidden latch or as a hidden door opener.  [eek]

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2020, 07:22 PM »
Good to hear that some more are a bit sceptical to superglue everything  [wink]
Although, hunting the right glue for the job isn’t always straightforward.

Looking forward to see what kind of solution you came up with!  [smile]
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Offline Svar

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2020, 07:43 PM »
Matt your legs are fine, what others are missing is that the grain in the curly maple usually runs about 90 degrees to the curl.
It is not curly maple. It's regular cherry with grain direction perpendicular to the length.

Legs might be fine now, but over time checks on the end grain may develop. It's inconsequential for parts with longitudinal grain direction, yet could result in failure in this case.

When I decide to invest my time to build a custom piece I think beyond now or this purpose or even this climate. Who knows where the piece will end up in 10 - 20 years, what will sit on it, who will lean against it or move it.
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Offline CeeJay

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2020, 08:07 PM »
This piece is going to be stunning when it’s done Matt. Really nice work.


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Offline Gone

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2020, 09:03 PM »
Matt your legs are fine, what others are missing is that the grain in the curly maple usually runs about 90 degrees to the curl.
It is not curly maple. It's regular cherry with grain direction perpendicular to the length.

Legs might be fine now, but over time checks on the end grain may develop. It's inconsequential for parts with longitudinal grain direction, yet could result in failure in this case.

When I decide to invest my time to build a custom piece I think beyond now or this purpose or even this climate. Who knows where the piece will end up in 10 - 20 years, what will sit on it, who will lean against it or move it.

Well dip me in tar and cover me with feathers Svar you are right and I f---ked up big time with my assumption of curly maple. Should have actually read the whole thread instead of having a senior moment. That does have the potential for failure especially with the stress induced from the dominos.

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #44 on: June 07, 2020, 04:19 PM »
Hey team,

This project is still underway! Long story short ... I've had some serious problems with FedEx.

I ordered 20 b.f. of walnut and 20 b.f. of cherry on May 8 as I was out - it still hasn't come. It's a long story, but FedEx has either lost it or is totally backed up.

Woodworkerssource.com sent me more (they are great) free of charge, but that still hasn't come either and surprised the ETA from FedEx. I think they're backed up on big packages.

Anyways my wife and I drove to the distribution center where it's being held and they were able to find 1 out of the 4 packages (at this point there is 40 b.f. of both walnut and cherry, across 4 packages (20 bf each) in their distribution center).

The other 3 packages are still nowhere to be seen. Anyways - this one was cherry so I made up the back panel and 4 shelves with it. Getting closer ...

Hopefully more pics when I can get more wood -out again.

Matt





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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2020, 06:22 PM »
@mattbyington

I had a simular issue with USP. Bought a conturo, never arrived, called the dealer they got a hold of UPS who said they lost it for the dealer to put in a claim. The tracking showed it arrived at their distribution center about 40 mins from my house. So I drove out there and they had it on a trailer marked on Hold. No reason why just on hold stored in a trailer and ready to be shipped back.
 Anyway I got it from them there. Still no explanation as to why they had it on hold.

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #46 on: June 09, 2020, 04:04 PM »
@jobsworth glad to hear that it is not only me!

OK well team as of last night, I have ALL the pieces cut and sanded for the cabinet - except the middle divider (out of wood again).

Tonight I am going to start on the joinery so should have some "more exciting" pictures soon with dry fits and mock ups!

Matt

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
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Offline rmhinden

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2020, 11:44 PM »
Looks great!

Bob

Offline CLRFXR

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #49 on: June 14, 2020, 10:36 AM »
Matt, I have followed most of your projects posted on here.  I really enjoy everything you do along with all the advice given by others during the build.  Seeing that you get most of your wood online I hope you think about a post on how you do your “Panel build up” process. Keep up the good work and looking forward to all your future projects.   

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #50 on: June 14, 2020, 01:15 PM »
@rmhinden thank you sir!

@CLRFXR thanks so much! Okay good idea! I'll start a new thread about that, I hope it will be helpful!!

BIG GLUE UP just now guys!!!




Offline mattbyington

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Offline Rob Z

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #52 on: June 14, 2020, 01:32 PM »
Hey Matt

1.  I like the inlay on the doors
2. Clean, well-organized shop   [smile]
3. I wish I could borrow your shop cat to track down the little critters that sneak into my garage shop  [big grin]


I have also  had a few head scratching moments with UPS/Fedex.   [eek]

Offline Svar

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2020, 02:35 PM »
Is your back panel solid ~ 20 mm wood? How is it attached? Floating in a groove?
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Offline Roachmill

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2020, 03:43 PM »
Very clean and tidy cabinet. If that's all solid wood I hope you've allowed for a bit of movement as there's some wide boards in there.

It looks like the feet have the grain running horizontal to the floor... I'd worry about them snapping or splitting when someone shoves the cabinet...

Offline Don T

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #55 on: June 14, 2020, 07:17 PM »
It look great Matt!  Can’t wait to see it completely finished.
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Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #56 on: June 15, 2020, 12:54 PM »
@Rob Z

1) Thanks!
2) Thanks again!
3) hahahah. I had to look again - I didn't know she snuck into the pic!!

@Svar it is solid Cherry, yes. This whole build is solid wood - no plywood and no metal fasteners. It is domino'd in to the top, bottom, and sides with 3 dominos per. I know the traditional comment applies about wood movement - trust me, if I've learned anything from this forum, it is that. I haven't had a problem with pieces inside an air conditioned / heated home (in California, not humid at all) so I didn't account for it. I am building this piece for free for a good friend of mine, so there is no "client" if it does break. It's all just for fun for me.

@Roachmill Thank you! See comment above and please do not shoot or otherwise harm me :)

With regard to the feet -go to page 1, we had a whole discussion on it :)

@Don T thanks!!

Matt

Offline mattbyington

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Offline RKA

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #58 on: June 15, 2020, 04:40 PM »
It looks great Matt!  I love the legs with the horizontal grain.  You have a nice design sense, very clean and modern with subtle details that really look great. 
-Raj

Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #59 on: June 15, 2020, 05:36 PM »
Looks great!

Looking forward seeing the front!
Cherry is quite rear here, but we had once cherry flooring - I loved the warmth and the look of it - we did have a lot of positive comments about it too, as the “standard” flooring here is oak, which is nice but the warmth and play in cherry is special.

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