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Online FestitaMakool

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2020, 07:09 PM »
I think the base look very good!

I do agree that the legs might have a weak point grain going parallel to the floor.
- But it looks good  [wink]

I’m not familiar with working with the same wood as you do over there. Some wood can handle a lot of stress, but usually that means fine grained (or crowded as we say) This looks like it is far in between.

Could drilling in a long and fairly thick round dowel glued like a long tenon almost as long as the feet itself rescue the design?
The dowel wouldn’t be visible either, otherwise you could dadoe in a piece of wood on the rear side as well and glue it in as a part of the (rear) design.

Tried to do a very quick sketch up:



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Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2020, 08:12 PM »
@Vondawg I won't, promise!

@FestitaMakool that is a great idea!! I have some of the tapered / stepped wood dowels (can't remember the name right now) but that might work super well! Good idea!!

Matt
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Offline rvieceli

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2020, 08:32 PM »
@mattbyington Same here no dye or stain on that wood. Looks nice.

I'm actually liking the grain on the legs. I vote for wild and crazy  [eek]

Pull the legs. Split them right down the middle top to bottom down the narrow edge on your band saw. Now take a piece of walnut with the grain vertical and laminate the three pieces together. I'd make the walnut thicker than the stretchers. Shape everything back and re-attach. you will wind up with thicker legs but they should be strong enough.

Ron
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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2020, 09:00 PM »
What rvieceli says is a good idea!
I presumed you’d glued the legs to the frame - mortise & tendon or Domino perhaps?

Whatever you do, the legs look great as is!
I’m with the no dye or stain group here - But don’t listen too hard, it’s your project! [wink]
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Offline kcufstoidi

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2020, 07:32 AM »
Matt your legs are fine, what others are missing is that the grain in the curly maple usually runs about 90 degrees to the curl. I use a lot of curly maple and never had an issue. Your weakest point in this case is the connection between the walnut horizontal and the vertical curly maple leg.
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Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2020, 11:11 AM »
@rvieceli not a bad idea thank you! I'll noodle it....

@FestitaMakool oh yeah those puppies are SUPER glued on :) 8mm domino through....

@kcufstoidi thanks, that's good information. That connection has an 8 mm domino through it,40mm long.

I'll noodle on it team...thanks... I'll hopefully get some more work and pictures this weekend!

Mr. Fedex informed me yesterday the wood has fINALLY shipped and has a miraculous estimated delivery date of this Saturday (tomorrow) so I may just be able to make progress this long weekend!

Matt
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Offline JimD

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2020, 11:31 AM »
Nicely done.  I wouldn't remake the legs.  They look like they are pretty thick and they are not super narrow so that will help despite the non traditional grain orientation.  TVs are also pretty light these days.  My guess is it will be fine.  If somebody light sit on it, then I might remake them.

If you want to get a feel for what it will take to break them you could make one from scrap and hit it with a deadblow.  My guess is you will have difficulty getting it to break.
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Offline kcufstoidi

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2020, 11:38 AM »
Matt another warning, don't trust super glue with wood. There is an extreme amount of BS surrounding super glues and wood spread by forums like this along with instagram and Youtube super heros. With normal seasonal changes the joints will fracture. Unfortunately found this out the hard way. The glue becomes too hard and brittle, doesn't take even subtle wood movement well. The only place it works good is filling hairline cracks and as a temporary bond used it conjunction with a PVA.
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Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2020, 11:54 AM »
@JimD thanks man! Yes the legs come from 6/4 stock of solid Cherry, so they are definitely thicker than the other pieces in this build (4/4).

@kcufstoidi I never do! This whole build was Titebond 2. Which is my go-to. I rarely make outdoor furniture so TB3 isn't really needed.

Thanks so much for all the advice everyone!

Matt
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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2020, 12:35 PM »
Quote from: kcufstoidi on May 22, 2020, 11:38 AM
Matt another warning, don't trust super glue with wood. There is an extreme amount of BS surrounding super glues and wood spread by forums like this along with instagram and Youtube super heros. With normal seasonal changes the joints will fracture. Unfortunately found this out the hard way. The glue becomes too hard and brittle, doesn't take even subtle wood movement well. The only place it works good is filling hairline cracks and as a temporary bond used it conjunction with a PVA.

For all of these reasons I also quit using super glue for securing magnets in wood. After some time the bond line fractures and the magnet is sitting somewhere else. This becomes a problem if the magnet is used as a hidden latch or as a hidden door opener.  [eek]
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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2020, 07:22 PM »
Good to hear that some more are a bit sceptical to superglue everything  [wink]
Although, hunting the right glue for the job isn’t always straightforward.

Looking forward to see what kind of solution you came up with!  [smile]
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Offline Svar

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2020, 07:43 PM »
Quote from: kcufstoidi on May 22, 2020, 07:32 AM
Matt your legs are fine, what others are missing is that the grain in the curly maple usually runs about 90 degrees to the curl.
It is not curly maple. It's regular cherry with grain direction perpendicular to the length.

Legs might be fine now, but over time checks on the end grain may develop. It's inconsequential for parts with longitudinal grain direction, yet could result in failure in this case.

When I decide to invest my time to build a custom piece I think beyond now or this purpose or even this climate. Who knows where the piece will end up in 10 - 20 years, what will sit on it, who will lean against it or move it.
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Offline CeeJay

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2020, 08:07 PM »
This piece is going to be stunning when it’s done Matt. Really nice work.


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Offline kcufstoidi

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2020, 09:03 PM »
Quote from: Svar on May 22, 2020, 07:43 PM
Quote from: kcufstoidi on May 22, 2020, 07:32 AM
Matt your legs are fine, what others are missing is that the grain in the curly maple usually runs about 90 degrees to the curl.
It is not curly maple. It's regular cherry with grain direction perpendicular to the length.

Legs might be fine now, but over time checks on the end grain may develop. It's inconsequential for parts with longitudinal grain direction, yet could result in failure in this case.

When I decide to invest my time to build a custom piece I think beyond now or this purpose or even this climate. Who knows where the piece will end up in 10 - 20 years, what will sit on it, who will lean against it or move it.

Well dip me in tar and cover me with feathers Svar you are right and I f---ked up big time with my assumption of curly maple. Should have actually read the whole thread instead of having a senior moment. That does have the potential for failure especially with the stress induced from the dominos.
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