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Offline mattbyington

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[Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« on: May 11, 2020, 06:48 PM »
Hey team,

My wife came up with the design! It's for friends of ours.

The idea is that it's a little bit "modern" with a design on the doors.

So far I've only milled up the doors, we spent all day yesterday playing with different patterns on the doors to find out what we liked. Should be fun!

Matt






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Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2020, 06:49 PM »





Offline neilc

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2020, 07:12 PM »
Cool - are you going to do an inlay in the kerf cuts?

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2020, 07:29 PM »
@neilc yes sir that's the plan, cherry!

matt

Offline Gone

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2020, 08:04 AM »
Your idea is interesting Matt, this is just a bit of info on the 2 woods you are using. Black Walnut will lighten and change to a range of dark to light caramel colours with age. Cherry will darken with age to similar tones.  So if a contrast is what you are looking in the project it will be there initially but diminish with age, really noticeable after the first couple of years. If subtle is what you're after use the 2 woods, if bold try a something different than cherry.

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2020, 12:49 PM »
@kcufstoidi thank you so much for taking the time to write that up! I was looking for a bit more contrast, sounds like I should have used Maple :( or Holly.

oh well ... too late now!! :)

Matt








Offline mike_aa

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2020, 01:14 PM »
Matt, Nice design and execution!

Mike A.

Offline mrFinpgh

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2020, 01:22 PM »
It's not entirely too late!  A lot of folks will apply some dye to walnut as part of their finishing schedule.  That would be an option in this case, if you masked the cherry inlay and then applied dye to the walnut that should mitigate some of the aging effects that @kcufstoidi mentions.  Of course, you would need to figure out if that kind of color works for you.

Cool design.

Online Rich Kline

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2020, 03:06 PM »
@mrFinpgh and @kcufstoidi do either of you have experience with Festool Surfix Heavy Duty Oil/Wax?  I have made several walnut pieces finished with Surfix and I'm not seeing color change that I'm seeing on a number of my walnut cutting boards.   I think @JoryBrigham told me that the heavy duty had UV protection, but it's not even clear that the walnut needs to be exposed to light to change color.

Thanks for any insight.

Rich

Offline JoryBrigham

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2020, 07:57 PM »
The Outdoor has UV protection can’t say for sure the heavy duty does Rich.

Offline mrFinpgh

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2020, 08:21 PM »
I haven't used surfix, but from what I recall it's basically a hardwax oil finish. I don't know what you finish your cutting boards with @richklein but I think basically wood changes colors due to oxidation.  For the same reason, you can age cherry by letting it sit out in the sun or you can wash it with lye. So some finish is going to slow that down more than no finish or mineral oil finish.   I think that the sunlight exposure basically accelerates this process, and would guess that if you left your pieces out in the sun for a couple days they would begin to show some signs of fading.


Offline Gone

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2020, 09:20 AM »
I use hard wax oils all the time. The only thing that offers any type of UV protection is a pigmented oil that actually blocks the UV. Any clear oil and you're just shouting in the wind no matter BS the manufacturer says. The fact that most don't know walnut lightens with age and cherry is very deceiving being light when first cut is why I mentioned it in the first place. Anyone working with wood should understand the natural ageing process and study by looking at older pieces. Saves long term disappointments and allows you to use the characteristics for long term design, this is unless you're just making firewood. UV protection or not all woods will colour age over time and its a process thats almost impossible to stop.

As far as sunlight exposure, cherry can show darkening in several hours, not so with Black Walnut. It takes time. Also be careful with maple especially with long term storage of planed product. Exposed ends and sections will noticeably darken just sitting in the shop. These dark section are hard to sand out and often take a light planing to restore an even colouration.

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2020, 01:12 PM »
@mike_aa thanks!

@mrFinpgh good point thanks I will look into that!

Both doors are done now, finally! Here's a pic.

Now to start on the main carcass.

Matt


Offline rmhinden

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2020, 01:40 PM »
Matt,

Nice work.

I think you are going to need a bigger garage :-)

Bob

Offline tallgrass

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2020, 02:56 PM »
Did you use the saw or a router?

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2020, 03:02 PM »
@rmhinden definitely haha and thanks!

@tallgrass for the grooves for the inlays? I used the router! OF1400 with an undersized 1/4" plywood bit from Whiteside!

Matt

Offline tallgrass

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2020, 03:22 PM »
OOPS, I did not think about that. :) For the groves. I could see using the saw. I have used both on the same grooove in the past. The saw to score and prevent tear out and the router to remove the material. Mounting the router on the rail make that a snap. Great work by the way.

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2020, 03:36 PM »
@tallgrass makes sense to me! I had the router running on the track while doing these, worked well! They're only 1/4" deep so 1 pass was all it took!

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2020, 04:08 PM »
The base is done


Offline Svar

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2020, 04:10 PM »
Is wood grain running perpendicular to the feet length? It sure looks that way.

Offline mattbyington

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« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2020, 04:24 PM »
@Svar yes it is, is that bad? I heard from one other person (I posted this picture my Instagram as well which is @matthewbyington in case anyone is on there, too).

And someone gave me the bad news, too, that this wasn't quite as strong as if I had turned the grain 90 degrees.

Whoops! I guess you live and learn.

Do you think it's bad enough that I should re-do it?

Matt

Offline Svar

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2020, 04:29 PM »
Feet will be brittle. Don't drag the stand over the floor [big grin]. Over long time cracks might develop. It would have been fine for a jewelry box, but not for a TV stand. I would redo it.

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2020, 04:53 PM »
Got it. Thank you @Svar i really appreciate you taking the time to educate me on that!

Matt

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2020, 05:09 PM »
With the grain running in that direction, they become cleavage planes when a sudden force is applied as a side load.

I really like the looks of it but as Svar said, better to save that for a jewelry box.
« Last Edit: May 21, 2020, 05:41 PM by Cheese »

Offline mattbyington

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2020, 05:13 PM »
@Cheese got it that makes perfect sense! Appreciate you chiming in!

Great to learn this for the future.

Right now I am in a bit of a holding pattern as I am out of wood :) I always order from woodworkers source.com and I placed another order for 20 board feet of cherry and 20 board feet of walnut on May 8 but they haven't shipped it yet...

So I hope to make more progress but am waiting on wood...

Matt

Offline Svar

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2020, 05:29 PM »
You can find horizontal feet grain direction on some traditional furniture as shown below, but those feet are wide and short, made of two pieces connected at right angle.


Offline lshah72414

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2020, 05:35 PM »
Am I misunderstanding, are  you guys saying the leg grain should be perpendicular to floor and not parallel?

Offline CeeJay

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2020, 05:49 PM »
The leg grain should be parallel to the long side of the leg.

If you really like the look of the horizontal grain (and it does look nice) you can always consider putting a veneer on but for a curved profile leg that will be hard to achieve a nice look on the outside corner.


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Offline lshah72414

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2020, 06:02 PM »
Got it . Thank you

Offline Vondawg

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Re: [Project 33] Walnut and Cherry TV stand
« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2020, 07:05 PM »
Matt please don’t add any dye to those pieces Of beautiful walnut, with all that purplish color (usually from a more “air” dried process) let the greatness shine thru.
Nice job!
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