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Title: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: Chris Perren on February 04, 2021, 10:14 PM
Question for the kitchen and bathroom remodeling experts - Is it best to bring in a designer to get an overall plan?  I'm looking to remodel the kitchen and master bathroom (cabinets, back splash, counter tops, etc.).  I want to ensure the design looks right versus old cabinet painted white.  Since I'm time constrain with work, I need to find contractors to execute it too. Any suggestions or advise on how to start this process especially since its a priority of my wife.     

Thanks
Chris 
       
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: Peter_C on February 05, 2021, 12:30 AM
Who will be building the cabinets? If a cabinet maker they will often do the drawings and can put together some of their favorite features for you. I would recommend a smaller local cabinet shop. The cabinet shop probably has contractors they often work with and might be able to produce a good recommendation.

Do not use Home Depot or any of the big box stores. The reasons are numerous. A smaller cabinet maker will be about the same price, easier to deal with, and the quality will be 4x better. On that note if you want to see different types of cabinet styles, wood types, etc, the big box stores are perfect. Visit a bunch of local kitchen type stores for ideas. Pinterest is good for ideas too.

Counter tops will come from another supplier. Home Depot and the like use local fabricators, I would recommend cutting out the middle man.

You will get to pick everything yourselves, and a good designer can lead you around. It is up to you if you want to budget a designer into the mix or not.

Drawers! <My piece of advice. All drawers, other than under the sink, and if the panty is built in, put drawers in the cabinets. Massive double drawers for pots and pans. No microwave above the stove, use a hood and a remote mounted quiet fan, like a Panasonic Whisper. Okay two pieces of advice. Built in trash and recycling in a drawer. Okay three...I'll shut up now.
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: Chris Perren on February 05, 2021, 07:42 PM
Thanks Peter - Any opinion on inset cabinets that go to the ceiling.  And microwave in the island.  Any suggestion on a white counter top (i.e. saddlestone??) ..  Thanks Chris

Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: hdv on February 06, 2021, 06:12 AM
If there is one lesson I learned when I built my house, then it was that a good designer/architect is certainly worth the investment. They bring ideas and insights that I myself didn't have and that really did improve not only the looks, but also the practicality of things.
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: cpw on February 06, 2021, 07:14 AM
We have a microwave drawer in our island and like it.  There are definitely fewer options than if you choose another style of microwave, but it is far better than an over the range option and is cleaner than a countertop option.
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: Thompmd on February 06, 2021, 07:53 AM
I agree with staying away from the box stores altogether. In my area there are really a couple of cabinet shops that have been around for 50yrs and both do mid to high end cabinetry. What shocked me(shouldn’t have but did) is we thought we had a pretty good idea from looking at magazines, internet , Pinterest , home shows and even high end open houses and talking to the realtor for cabinetmakers. But what the cabinet shops had was a TON of small design ideas they had gathered from 50yrs of experience. Lots were virtually no cost and we walked away thrilled!!

Personally I wouldn’t use a deigner and would use the money saved to upgrade your kitchen even more. The cabinet makers had been in hundreds of homes and after being in yours I would be surprised if you still felt the need .

Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: Ocfishingguy on February 06, 2021, 10:21 AM
Any local cabinet shop will have good design ideas of a kitchen, and will address your questions. They have experience and knowledge on making a kitchen flow. Example; triangle rule - making an uninterrupted triangle between oven, sink & range.  Spice rack locations, microwave, pot/pan storage etc. They should give you CAD drawings/package with renderings, measurements, etc.

See attached rendering samples.

All the questions on inset, half overlay, full overlay, under mount soft close drawers vs side mount glides, push to open drawers, should be answered by the cabinet company.  Always get 3 bids. Always ask for previous 3 jobs, with dates & contact info.  Make sure they list contact info for any subcontractor they will use. When a dollar amount like a kitchen, ask for copy of liability insurance.

Some shops include the design, others charge upfront.  Designers sometimes muddy the water, but if you do go that route, ask for qty of kitchen remodels they have done and see if they have a package for kitchen remodel or can you pay them hourly for their advice. I work with a few designers, and they all offer this. They also usually have a pocket list of contractors they use or can recommend.

Hope this helps.

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Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: Peter_C on February 06, 2021, 02:07 PM
Thanks Peter - Any opinion on inset cabinets that go to the ceiling.
I have no idea what your current layout is. Our cabinets go the ceilings, but we have 8ft walls.
And microwave in the island.
As I use a microwave a lot I would keep the microwave as close to chest height as possible, for ease of use.

Is the stove going on the island? Again a hood vented outside is a requirement in my book.
Any suggestion on a white counter top (i.e. saddlestone??) ..  Thanks Chris
I like working with Corian myself as I can just use my Festool stuff for fabricating it. Many folks like stone, but I would ask my wife what she would allow. Fortunately she agreed with the blue Corian I got supa cheap. LOL Quartz is very common these days. Budget could play a role in it, as some countertops are very expensive. I'd recommend looking at EVERYTHING then let your wife pick the counters.
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: Chris Perren on February 06, 2021, 02:26 PM
These are great recommendations. I've attached our current kitchen below. I don't mind paying for the design although I prefer either a fix / or hourly cost. We built the house in 2007 and just want to upgrade it to 2021. I agree three bids are optimum.  I've just started searching for cabinet shops and remodelers within the Austin, TX area.. I would welcome any recommendations.       

Our microwave is the most used kitchen item which vents outside above our stovetop.  A hooded vent outside is a requirement. Any recommendations for a gas stove top preferably an industrial design that's reliable. It seems everyone going with the farm look for a kitchen sink too.

Thanks again for everyone suggestions..   

Chris         
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: tjbnwi on February 06, 2021, 07:37 PM
If you can, get rid of the corner pantry closet. Incorporate a cabinet pantry.

We do a lot of slide in microwaves, be them in the island or a base cabinet elsewhere in the kitchen.

Tom
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: Peter_C on February 07, 2021, 03:03 AM
If you can, get rid of the corner pantry closet. Incorporate a cabinet pantry.
One of the best kitchen changes we made was doing just that, along with moving the fridge. The cabinet doors could open to pull out drawers, or drawers with fronts. They make some deep drawer slides, allowing space efficient, customizable, storage.

Our microwave is the most used kitchen item which vents outside above our stovetop.  A hooded vent outside is a requirement. Any recommendations for a gas stove top preferably an industrial design that's reliable. It seems everyone going with the farm look for a kitchen sink too.
Where is the stove going?

A handmade hood vent could be a focal point of the kitchen, with a Wolf, Viking, Decora, etc. professional stove. Try cooking with the BTU's and you will love a powerful professional stove. No electronics to fail (Self ignition only). Who wants a stove that beeps? Who want a noisy fan running right by their ear while cooking? If a remote vent fan can work the noise level by the stove drops closer to just the sound of air rushing. It is possible to remote mount a microwave over the stove fan even.

Farm style sinks are very functional. I like how they are typically rounded on top with a gentle edge. With their narrow width the working position is comfortable. What the post running water farm houses still use today, as I have seen them in original kitchens from the early 1900's.

Another thing we like is a pot filler. Not because we don't have to carry the water, but because it is plumbed direct with a 1/2" line and fills pots 8x faster than the kitchen sink.

A skinny but tall drawer for baking pans is nice to have.

"Our" preference is for a BIG single bowl sink. We don't do the fill one side and rinse in the other, so being that our frying pan handles are long it allows the entire pan to fit down inside while hand washing, and spraying them off.

What's in the wall off the dishwasher area? Pipes? Electrical? Can you loose that cabinet, and make it open?

You have some nice garage cabinets for someone once removed. Hopefully those counters can find a new life.
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: Cheese on February 07, 2021, 10:27 AM

A hooded vent outside is a requirement. Any recommendations for a gas stove top preferably an industrial design that's reliable. It seems everyone going with the farm look for a kitchen sink too.


I installed a Wolf "dual fuel" range...the best of all worlds. A gas top with high BTU burners while the oven is electric which brings with it all of the niceties, convection, self-cleaning, dehydration of foods, pizza stone, et al.

I also installed a pot filler that has its own water filter downstairs. Notice that I placed it off to the side of the range & range hood. That means it is not in the path of water vapor & grease when the stove is in use and the range hood is on. It is also not subjected to the direct heat of the burners which will shorten the life of the seals.

Something else that's really nice at night is when I installed the outlets in the kitchen, I included several night lights that come on automatically. So nice when you want a glass of water in the middle of the night without turning on the main lights and going blind. Legrand manufactures them and integrates them in both switches and outlets. The light intensity of the night lights is also adjustable at 4 different levels.

Finally, this is the outside vent I used, it's a low profile design and disappears on the outside of the house. I'd also recommend that if possible, install a hood range that has a remote blower. I didn't do that and I regret it daily. [crying]

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Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: Chris Perren on February 07, 2021, 03:43 PM
We definitely want the hood to be the focal point although I need to research more about remote blowers.  I'm all for automation and whisper quiet! Currently we have a 2 piece step up for counter tops which will be replace with a single one level white quartz counter top with a farm sink.  I like the idea of removing the wall above the dish washer although I need to convince the wife.

Any thoughts on inset cabinets (i.e. zero overlay) with the bottoms or island being a darker brown finish.  The tops will definitely be white.  The island will be replaced too .. hopefully with a wine refrigerator.

Thanks Chris           
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: neilc on February 07, 2021, 04:31 PM
I’d recommend LED under cabinet lighting that is dimmable.  Same with interior glass cabinet lighting if you are doing that. 

White countertops can be a challenge to keep stain free, depending on the material.  Red wine and even red meat can stain them.  I just built a new home with honed black granite counters in the kitchen and Quartz concrete in the baths and laundry.  Very happy with both.

Consider lots of electrical outlets on the counters and island, and even in cabinets and drawers for things like cell phones and other chargers.  Not sure I’d go with USB outlets as the standard is continually changing as technology evolves, so I stuck with standard 120v.

If you can plumb in recirculating hot water, I’d recommend it. One of my favorite features!
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: DeformedTree on February 07, 2021, 05:18 PM
cheese,  info on that exterior vent? never see one like that before.

Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: tjbnwi on February 07, 2021, 10:58 PM
@chrisperren

Look at this gallery, Wolf cooktop with a stainless farm sink. You’ll also see the hood (did this home 2 years ago).

https://www.allabouthomedesign.com/gallery/mountain-modern-millhaven/


Pictured is a Wolf dual fuel range, note the hood.

For liners and blowers, look at Vent A Hood and Wolf. Beware a vent 400 cfm or higher requires a make up air system. Make up air kits, Zephyr.

Look into the Century X-series adjustable rollout systems. Shown in picture below.

I agree on the LED’s....or.....If you want a smooth splash wall look into the Legrand Adorne system, you can see there are no receptacles on the wall with the Wolf dual fuel.

Answers to some of the questions above will help.

Tom
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: Stan Tillinghast on February 07, 2021, 11:56 PM
Tjbnwi- your kitchen looks much better right side up.
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: tjbnwi on February 08, 2021, 12:11 AM
@Stan Tillinghast

Happens when using the iPad sometimes.

Not my kitchen, we just create them, I can’t afford myself......

Tom
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: Cheese on February 08, 2021, 12:56 AM
cheese,  info on that exterior vent? never see one like that before.

It's a Kensington dome vent...DVSS200...stainless steel in 8" diameter. I had to order it from Australia but that was 7 years ago, I'd imagine they are more easily available now. Available in all common sizes from 3" through 10".

The Wolf hood comes with an internal 1-way baffle installed, however, I placed another 1-way baffle just inside the Kensington vent to prevent cold air from entering the vent, condensing the moisture and dripping on the floor, works well.
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: Cheese on February 08, 2021, 02:14 AM
I’d recommend LED under cabinet lighting that is dimmable.  Same with interior glass cabinet lighting if you are doing that. 

White countertops can be a challenge to keep stain free, depending on the material.  Red wine and even red meat can stain them.  I just built a new home with honed black granite counters in the kitchen and Quartz concrete in the baths and laundry.  Very happy with both.


I'd echo both of Neil's recommendations...

I prefer to use Diode LED products for continuous use because they just work and you don't have to baby them. I consider Diode LED to be an industrial strength product.  [smile]  Their Ultrablaze product is what I use for under cabinet lighting. It's incredibly bright and it's dimmable...there are other products that are available for less that are not dimmable or as reliable. Pay once...cry once. [smile]

However, whatever LED lighting you decide on using (there is no other alternative to LED) make sure you solder the wiring connections rather than using the convenient snap on LED connectors that come with the LED strip. The supplied connectors will eventually fail, it's guaranteed.

Here's a photo of a Diode LED strip that I assembled with the standard Diode LED snap on connector. After 8 months of use for task lighting in the kitchen this is the result.

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Just solder the connection and eliminate any future dimming, flashing inconvenience. Besides...it's a safety/fire hazard.

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Also, if you decide to hide the LED's in a routed out channel, still incorporate an aluminum channel as it will act as a heat sink and significantly extend the life of your LED strips. Latent heat is the number one issue effecting the life of LED's.

My favorite driver for tight LED installs is the Diode LED Switchex. It isn't cheap but it's pretty slick. It's a combination of a LED driver (power supply) and a switch/dimmer all in one package. Normally, the LED needs to be powered by a driver and then it also needs to be switched on and off with a switch. This typically results in 2 different products that need to be incorporated into 2 different areas/electrical boxes. The Switchex is installed into a single electrical box and provides both the power and the switching/dimming capabilities. They are available for both 12 volt and 24 volt LED lighting and are sized by the LED wattage.

https://www.diodeled.com/switchex.html

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Finally, the white surface and red wine warning that Neil mentions rings true. I installed a white marble side entry and about 2 months later, during a get together, a glass of red wine was spilled on the floor. I was unable to remove the stain and 5 years later I jack hammered the floor and replaced the marble with some variegated purple/green slate. Much nicer...

Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: tjbnwi on February 08, 2021, 08:43 AM
Tjbnwi- your kitchen looks much better right side up.

I corrected the pictures.

Tom
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: Chris Perren on February 08, 2021, 06:52 PM
@tjbnwi 

Tom - Nice Cabinets..  I noticed the counter top is thicker on the island than underneath the cabinets. Is it a specific quartz?  Also I noticed inside cabinet lighting.. Is it LED strips in the top of the cabinets?  As expected, the finish is very impressive. I like the hood. Is it a "Vent A Hood" design..  Its definitely a center piece.       

The Century X-series and Legrand Adorne system are great recommendations.. Definitely something I'm going to consider.

Thanks Chris     


Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: rvieceli on February 08, 2021, 07:27 PM
For an industrial stove it’s hard to beat stainless steel. This hood has a 900 cfm unit on the roof. Although you can’t really hear the fan motor, the air rushing through the hood is a bit noisy at full blast.  [eek]

Ron

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Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: tjbnwi on February 08, 2021, 08:10 PM
@chrisperren

Thank you.

The thicker top is just a "looks" thing. Any good stone fabricator should be able to do the thicker top.


The liner in that hood is a Wolf. We design and fabricate in house. I like to make the vent accessible, a lot of hoods make the vent difficult to service because they are "one" piece. The doors open on the hood.

This is a hood we installed last week. She wanted a curved hood which usually means a solid piece. Zach came up with using magnets and Blum push to opens to allow the center panel to be removed. The cradle seen in the bench picture, we hot glue the kerfed face to it, by having the face in shape when we sprayed it we didn’t have to worry about the finish cracking if we had to bend it into shape. We have to finish up some things on the install, I’ll get pictures with the face removed.

Tom





Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: Chris Perren on February 08, 2021, 08:16 PM
I marked up my kitchen in the attached pictures.  What changes should I make or reconsider. Any feedback is welcome. Thanks.

Chris   
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: Michael Kellough on February 09, 2021, 05:08 PM
I’d recommend LED under cabinet lighting that is dimmable.  Same with interior glass cabinet lighting if you are doing that. 

White countertops can be a challenge to keep stain free, depending on the material.  Red wine and even red meat can stain them.  I just built a new home with honed black granite counters in the kitchen and Quartz concrete in the baths and laundry.  Very happy with both.

Consider lots of electrical outlets on the counters and island, and even in cabinets and drawers for things like cell phones and other chargers.  Not sure I’d go with USB outlets as the standard is continually changing as technology evolves, so I stuck with standard 120v.

If you can plumb in recirculating hot water, I’d recommend it. One of my favorite features!

Plumb it to where? The floor?
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: Chris Perren on February 09, 2021, 08:42 PM
During my whole house tankless install (Navien 240S), the plumber added a recirculation valve in the kitchen which works ok at best.  The problem is the kitchen is the furthest from the water heater and does not gets hot enough (i.e. ~115 degrees)..  All the other water outlets work great (i.e. 130 degrees).. Maybe a dedicated tankless heater under kitchen sink?  I do have 120 volt outlet that could be share with the garbage disposal..  Any opinions?

Does white quartz kitchen counter top susceptible to staining (i.e. red wine spill).  Any thoughts or alternatives.. I prefer minimum maintenance ..  maybe butcher block for the island but would prefer white counter for the other locations.

Thanks
Chris           
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: tjbnwi on February 09, 2021, 09:05 PM
I’d recommend LED under cabinet lighting that is dimmable.  Same with interior glass cabinet lighting if you are doing that. 

White countertops can be a challenge to keep stain free, depending on the material.  Red wine and even red meat can stain them.  I just built a new home with honed black granite counters in the kitchen and Quartz concrete in the baths and laundry.  Very happy with both.

Consider lots of electrical outlets on the counters and island, and even in cabinets and drawers for things like cell phones and other chargers.  Not sure I’d go with USB outlets as the standard is continually changing as technology evolves, so I stuck with standard 120v.

If you can plumb in recirculating hot water, I’d recommend it. One of my favorite features!

Plumb it to where? The floor?

A third line is installed that returns the hot water to the heater. Most have a timer that control a small pump so the water in the hot water line is refreshed, provides instant hot water.

Watts makes a retrofit system that works pretty well, you don't need the return line.

Tom
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: tjbnwi on February 09, 2021, 09:08 PM
Your plan will work.

I'd get rid of the pantry closet for a pantry cabinet. I know this may mean getting rid of the wife, but life is about tradeoffs.  [big grin]

Tom
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: Chris Perren on February 09, 2021, 09:35 PM
 [laughing] -  [laughing].  That's funny.         
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: tjbnwi on February 09, 2021, 09:55 PM
[laughing] -  [laughing].  That's funny.         

43 years of marriage will make you a little goofy..... ;)

Tom
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: Peter_C on February 09, 2021, 10:48 PM
A third line is installed that returns the hot water to the heater. Most have a timer that control a small pump so the water in the hot water line is refreshed, provides instant hot water.

Watts makes a retrofit system that works pretty well, you don't need the return line.

Tom
Taco makes one that is controlled by a button. Since we are in a constant drought in California, wasting water is not a good thing. So I put a hot water loop in and rigged our house up with a switch in each water access point (Small house) so you push the button that turns red until the pump shuts off, when it senses hot water. The water is now hot within 3 seconds of turning it on.

The reason I didn't want a timer is that it would run a lot, wasting energy. If you want convenience, then the ones that cycle routinely from say 6:00am until 10:00pm work great. Taco also builds that style too.

Many can just hook into the hot and cold lines at the farthest sink. They all require an outlet.
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: Cheese on February 10, 2021, 12:00 AM
During my whole house tankless install (Navien 240S), the plumber added a recirculation valve in the kitchen which works ok at best.  The problem is the kitchen is the furthest from the water heater and does not gets hot enough (i.e. ~115 degrees)..  All the other water outlets work great (i.e. 130 degrees).. Maybe a dedicated tankless heater under kitchen sink?  I do have 120 volt outlet that could be share with the garbage disposal..  Any opinions?

I'd check the Navien for any oddities or is there insulation missing from the copper runs?

I installed a Rinnai, set it for 125º and these are the results. All the lines are copper and are insulated with the typical round foam insulation from the big box stores.

This run to the kitchen sink is about 8 feet from the Rinnai.

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This run is to the bathroom sink which is about 35-40 feet from the Rinnai.

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Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: Cheese on February 10, 2021, 12:38 AM

Does white quartz kitchen counter top susceptible to staining (i.e. red wine spill).  Any thoughts or alternatives.. I prefer minimum maintenance ..  maybe butcher block for the island but would prefer white counter for the other locations.
     

"A white countertop can be spectacular. But even a white quartz countertop is vulnerable to staining from products such as red wine, tea, coffee, tomato sauce, and more if it’s not cleaned up right away."

https://www.msisurfaces.com/blogs/post/2017/08/26/tips-from-the-trade-are-white-quartz-countertops-stain-resistant.aspx

https://www.granitegold.com/does-quartz-stain/
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: DeformedTree on February 10, 2021, 12:48 AM
During my whole house tankless install (Navien 240S), the plumber added a recirculation valve in the kitchen which works ok at best.  The problem is the kitchen is the furthest from the water heater and does not gets hot enough (i.e. ~115 degrees)..  All the other water outlets work great (i.e. 130 degrees).. Maybe a dedicated tankless heater under kitchen sink?  I do have 120 volt outlet that could be share with the garbage disposal..  Any opinions?
       

So I don't know why you would be getting that high of temps. devices have anti-scald valves set around 110F.  Tanked heaters I think are now required to have a mixer at the WH to knock it down from the 120-140F it runs at, a tankless can be just set at ~110ish since they don't have to be concerned with legionnaires.  Not sure if facets have the mixing valves or if it's just in things like shower valves.  I don't know why you would be trying to get 130 degrees coming out of a tap.

Scalding Info (https://www.plumbingsupply.com/scald.html)  <- nice temp table.   Can't find a universal temp setting, thought many of the shower stuff was set for 109F.   

So just a thought that maybe someplace in your setup there may be something like that going on. You shouldn't be loosing much heat in the pipes even if un-insulated.  A long run will take time to get to temp, but it will get there.
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: denrusso on February 23, 2021, 02:00 PM
   
Our microwave is the most used kitchen item which vents outside above our stovetop.  A hooded vent outside is a requirement. Any recommendations for a gas stove top preferably an industrial design that's reliable. It seems everyone going with the farm look for a kitchen sink too.     

We purchased our house two years ago and gutted the entire main level, which included moving the kitchen.  Created an open floor plan that integrates the kitchen, dining room, and living room.

Everyone has their own tastes and requirements and, to this point, we no longer have a microwave.  Instead we installed a steam oven and absolutely love it.  Reheating food comes out just as good as when first cooked.  We installed this just above our main oven in the wall and went with a range top opposed to a full range.  Our designer moved us in this direction and glad we listened.  With the range, the oven door opens almost to the floor, meaning you are bending down to get in your oven.  With the wall mount ovens, everything is waist high and so much easier to work with.

I guess all this to say, yes it is a good idea to work with a kitchen designer.  They will work with you and help you identify design features that you may not even think about.  When we first went about this project, I was set on getting a 48" range.  But after going over everything with the designer it made more sense to go with the wall oven.  We even designed it to have as little counter appliances as possible.  Built in steam oven and built in coffee maker, both of which are plumbed, leaves the counters free for use.  Again, the benefits of working with a designer.

Good luck!!

Thanks,
dr
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: Chris Perren on February 23, 2021, 03:30 PM
@denrusso  - Thanks for the information. Any pictures?  Never though about plumbing for a coffee maker.. Great idea! We're working with a local designer on the kitchen and master bathroom plans now.  I suspect the model representation should be ready in next few weeks. Our goal is use a Wolf wall oven and separate range top similar to your kitchen..

Thanks
Chris   
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: denrusso on February 23, 2021, 04:30 PM
@denrusso  - Thanks for the information. Any pictures?  Never though about plumbing for a coffee maker.. Great idea! We're working with a local designer on the kitchen and master bathroom plans now.  I suspect the model representation should be ready in next few weeks. Our goal is use a Wolf wall oven and separate range top similar to your kitchen..

Thanks
Chris

I'm no expert when it comes to posting pics - hopefully this worked.  The cabinets are a walnut veneer and all appliance are Miele.  It was between Wolf/Subzero and Miele.  I wanted to stick with a single brand because I got the best pricing that way.  Miele won out because of their steam oven and built in espresso machine are both plumbable while the wolf are not - which means you had to fill them with water every time they got low.  Or maybe since my tools are made in Germany so should my appliances?

Countertop is quartzite (this is different than quartz which is technically man made) and has a leather finish to it (i.e. it's not glass smooth).  We're very happy with the result.  On the left side of the picture - a bit hard to see - is one of the windows we put in.  Just about floor to ceiling - something like 6' tall and 12' wide.  Our house is an upside down ranch and the driveway is level with the main (top) floor.  The house is built into a hill so the opposite side of the driveway is one story up.  The bedrooms are all located on the lower floor, with one side of the house being the foundation wall and the other having sliding doors onto our patio.

I think I may have share more than you wanted to know.


Thanks,
dr
Title: Re: Kitchen Remodel
Post by: kfitzsimons on February 23, 2021, 05:20 PM
I refer a lot to Fine Homebuilding back issues. Especially the Kitchen and Bath issues that come out about once a year. They are fantastic references. You can buy the back issues at the finehomebuilding.com web site. Go to the "magazine" tab. They will help you think through the remodel and answer tons of questions. Taunton Press books are also great references. You should have a really good idea of what you want in a kitchen before talking to a designer or a cabinet maker. You know how you work and what features you want / need in a kitchen. We did our kitchen 30 years ago and we still enjoy it every day. One feature we can't live without now is a small vegetable cleaning sink in our island in addition to the double sink in the main counter. Have fun!