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Offline neilc

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #120 on: April 06, 2021, 05:27 PM »
Matt - nice progress.  Like the use of the vac holding clamps for the LR-32 rail.

So what are the grooves on the bottom of the adjustable shelves for?

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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #121 on: April 06, 2021, 06:50 PM »
Matt - nice progress.  Like the use of the vac holding clamps for the LR-32 rail.

So what are the grooves on the bottom of the adjustable shelves for?

Thanks Neil. Wish it was faster but I don't have much free time. Those are the cabinet tops and bottoms with the grooves.

Love that vac sys cart.
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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #122 on: April 07, 2021, 10:33 AM »
Vertical plunges in carcass sides are probably my least favorite thing to do. I'm not sure I'd even feel comfortable doing it without the @TSO_Products BigFoot accessory:









Now I can dry fit everything and pull measurements for the back panels and two doors and work on getting the adjustable shelves sized and apply front lips. Still debating on how I'll handle the face frame in terms of when I make it. It will mean longer project time but I'll probably get the cabinets painted and installed before final sizing so I can make sure it's perfect and scribe it before painting then install it.
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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #123 on: April 08, 2021, 11:53 AM »
This is what happens when one of your parts isn't square:







The side with the shelf pin holes has a taper in width from 387mm to 386mm. It was supposed to be 387mm. It threw the back panel groove off by a full 2mm and the shelf pin holes are out an extra mm front to back. Should I salvage this piece by making the groove wider toward the back of the side or scrap it? I'm out of material.

Matt

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Offline Cheese

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #124 on: April 08, 2021, 12:14 PM »
Widen the groove Matt.  [smile]

Offline squall_line

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #125 on: April 08, 2021, 12:16 PM »
This is what happens when one of your parts isn't square:

The side with the shelf pin holes has a taper in width from 387mm to 386mm. It was supposed to be 387mm. It threw the back panel groove off by a full 2mm and the shelf pin holes are out an extra mm front to back. Should I salvage this piece by making the groove wider toward the back of the side or scrap it? I'm out of material.

Matt

I'm not 100% sure which part isn't square because I think the lens distortion is affecting the perspective as well.

Are you saying the piece laying on its back is 387mm top-to-bottom in the back near the groove and only 386mm at the front?

Assuming you used one of the ends as a reference face for your pins, are they at least even if they're measured from either the top reference face or the bottom?

Is the top square, is the bottom square, or are neither?

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #126 on: April 08, 2021, 12:24 PM »



I'm not 100% sure which part isn't square because I think the lens distortion is affecting the perspective as well.

Are you saying the piece laying on its back is 387mm top-to-bottom in the back near the groove and only 386mm at the front?

Assuming you used one of the ends as a reference face for your pins, are they at least even if they're measured from either the top reference face or the bottom?

Is the top square, is the bottom square, or are neither?

The side laying down with the shelf pin holes measures 387mm toward the bottom and 386mm toward the top. The top and bottom panels are square and measure 387mm.

If I widen the groove like @Cheese suggests then I think I'll be okay. The alignment of the shelf pin holes will be a little off and the back side of the cabinet would be a little off but you'd never see it anyway.
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Offline squall_line

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #127 on: April 08, 2021, 12:35 PM »
Ahh, that makes much more sense.  I was misjudging which edges were out-of-spec, even after my metric-to-imperial conversion.

Online Dr. P. Venkman

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #128 on: April 08, 2021, 12:51 PM »
I am not at all understanding how a 1mm variance in thickness* caused it to be out by that much. Is the front corner of that joint flush, or is the side with the shelf pin holes proud of the top panel?

Edit: width, not thickness.
« Last Edit: April 08, 2021, 12:54 PM by Dr. P. Venkman »

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #129 on: April 08, 2021, 02:13 PM »
@Cheese Groove widened.

It looks worse from the side than head on





I'll be sure to install this one to the far left of the wall so the gap won't be seen. Woodworking isn't about making things perfect but how to cover up your stupid mistakes so others don't see them.
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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #130 on: April 08, 2021, 02:17 PM »
Vertical plunges in carcass sides are probably my least favorite thing to do. I'm not sure I'd even feel comfortable doing it without the @TSO_Products BigFoot accessory:
An alternative is using the Domiplate from Seneca.  The Domiplate goes on the edge to register your offset, and the domino fence then supports the machine on the face.  There are a lot of accessories to get good results with the DF500, it's nice to have all these choices.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #131 on: April 08, 2021, 02:20 PM »
Ya, once you put the shelves in there and do the filing paper shuffle  [smile]  you'll never notice it. You'd literally have to unload it to find it.

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #132 on: April 08, 2021, 02:20 PM »
Vertical plunges in carcass sides are probably my least favorite thing to do. I'm not sure I'd even feel comfortable doing it without the @TSO_Products BigFoot accessory:
An alternative is using the Domiplate from Seneca.  The Domiplate goes on the edge to register your offset, and the domino fence then supports the machine on the face.  There are a lot of accessories to get good results with the DF500, it's nice to have all these choices.

@cpw I bought a domiplate when I got my Domino but I don't use it because I realized pretty quick I don't like centering my mortises. It's also kind of awkward to work the Domino upside down.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #133 on: April 08, 2021, 02:56 PM »
I bought a domiplate when I got my Domino but I don't use it because I realized pretty quick I don't like centering my mortises. It's also kind of awkward to work the Domino upside down.

I concur Matt...one of the first items I purchased for the DF 500 was a Domiplate but after using it, I quickly abandoned it. I keep it with the DF 500 "just in case", well, 9 years later "just in case" still hasn't happened.  [big grin]

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #134 on: April 08, 2021, 04:56 PM »
If you widen the groove in the top piece you can close the gap.
Rip a filler to stuff behind the back panel in the then too wide groove.

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #135 on: April 29, 2021, 01:23 PM »
I finally got back to this. I think I talk myself out of making doors sometimes because they slow me down. When you only make them once a year it's a learning curve each time. I re-arranged the shop a bit the past month. Really liking the flow. I have infeed/outfeed for the miter saw at all times and can setup the CMS with outfeed as well.

The doors are the same style as the bottom cabinets. Tongue and groove with a 1/2" MDF center panel that will be back cut to fit the groove and end up about flush to the back of the door.





Once I get the doors done and test fit I'll move onto lipping the shelves and prepping for paint.

Matt
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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #136 on: April 29, 2021, 04:00 PM »
That photo could be an advertisement for the system having all the outfeeds at the same height.  That every tool serves as work support for another really makes efficient use of that space.

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #137 on: May 03, 2021, 01:30 PM »
That photo could be an advertisement for the system having all the outfeeds at the same height.  That every tool serves as work support for another really makes efficient use of that space.

The system is the only reason I can do what I do in that space. I'd love to have a giant workshop like some people.







Moment of truth:



At first I could not get an even reveal. It was way off. Then I remembered duh the cabinet isn't squared up yet. I threw some Jevons clamping squares on the back and everything lined up nicely.

Matt
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Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #138 on: May 03, 2021, 06:44 PM »
Nice job on the doors, Matt!   [smile]
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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #139 on: May 04, 2021, 09:44 AM »
Nice job on the doors, Matt!   [smile]

Thanks Willy 👍

On to lipping the shelves, then prep for paint.
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Offline Rick Herrick

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #140 on: May 04, 2021, 10:04 AM »
Hey Matt, curious to how the DC was using the 1010 and the 35mm bit for the cup hinge holes?  My first attempt was a bit messy so I went back to the Kreg jig.  But hope to try my 1400 next, using the dust shroud with the window slider removed.  Thanks to the suggestion from Erik on Poplar Shop.

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #141 on: May 04, 2021, 10:23 AM »
Hey Matt, curious to how the DC was using the 1010 and the 35mm bit for the cup hinge holes?  My first attempt was a bit messy so I went back to the Kreg jig.  But hope to try my 1400 next, using the dust shroud with the window slider removed.  Thanks to the suggestion from Erik on Poplar Shop.

Hi Rick,

Honestly it's not great/almost non existent. Although I don't remember the 1400 being much better even with the window slider removed. My 1400 was in the CMS and I didn't feel like getting it out for 4 cup hinges.
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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #142 on: May 04, 2021, 01:25 PM »
Time to transform my shop again:



I get my maple S4S in 8-10' lengths from my supplier. I ordered 2.5" knowing I'd have to rip it down to the dimension I wanted for the shelf lips and face frame. To make the material manageable I cut about two lengths of shelf worth off one of the 8-10' boards then ran the two pieces through the table saw:





The shortened 36mm hose did a surprisingly good job of capturing dust all things considered:



Most of it just shot back onto me then to the floor.

A little clean up and putting things back to normal:



This is what the shelves will look like more or less from the front:



Matt
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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #143 on: May 05, 2021, 06:48 AM »
I received a block plane as a gift almost a year ago and haven't used it because I have no background in hand tools or sharpening. Yesterday I got off my butt and tried out the scary sharp system shown in this video:



It all turned out surprisingly easy and I wish I would've just done it sooner.









I have a feeling I'll be reaching for the block plane a lot more around the shop.

Matt
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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #144 on: May 07, 2021, 09:55 AM »
To apply the lipping to the shelves I decided to use 5x30 dominos on the loose setting. 15mm plunge into each the shelf and the 3/4 edging and I didn't have to mess with settings on the domino. Made it pretty straightforward. The two materials aren't perfectly flush where there aren't dominos but they're really close.











Matt
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Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #145 on: May 07, 2021, 12:50 PM »
To apply the lipping to the shelves I decided to use 5x30 dominos on the loose setting. 15mm plunge into each the shelf and the 3/4 edging and I didn't have to mess with settings on the domino. Made it pretty straightforward. The two materials aren't perfectly flush where there aren't dominos but they're really close.

Matt


Good job, Matt!  A Rotex will reduce any variations and make things flush.  Are you going to kiss the edges with a 1/16" (1.5 mm) round-over bit?   [smile]
- Willy -

  "Show us a man who never makes a mistake and we will show a man who never makes anything. 
  The capacity for occasional blundering is inseparable from the capacity to bring things to pass."

 - Herman Lincoln Wayland (1830-1898)

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #146 on: May 07, 2021, 02:35 PM »
To apply the lipping to the shelves I decided to use 5x30 dominos on the loose setting. 15mm plunge into each the shelf and the 3/4 edging and I didn't have to mess with settings on the domino. Made it pretty straightforward. The two materials aren't perfectly flush where there aren't dominos but they're really close.

Matt


Good job, Matt!  A Rotex will reduce any variations and make things flush.  Are you going to kiss the edges with a 1/16" (1.5 mm) round-over bit?   [smile]

Thanks Willy! Yes I plan on giving them the roundover treatment. I'm tempted to do a chamfer instead since the face frames will likely receive one so I can carry it through to the inside corners with a chisel. Thoughts?
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Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #147 on: May 07, 2021, 02:49 PM »
To apply the lipping to the shelves I decided to use 5x30 dominos on the loose setting. 15mm plunge into each the shelf and the 3/4 edging and I didn't have to mess with settings on the domino. Made it pretty straightforward. The two materials aren't perfectly flush where there aren't dominos but they're really close.

Matt


Good job, Matt!  A Rotex will reduce any variations and make things flush.  Are you going to kiss the edges with a 1/16" (1.5 mm) round-over bit?   [smile]

Thanks Willy! Yes I plan on giving them the roundover treatment. I'm tempted to do a chamfer instead since the face frames will likely receive one so I can carry it through to the inside corners with a chisel. Thoughts?

I think you might want to do a mock-up of each to see which one looks better.  Long-term, I suspect that the round-over might work better in that constantly shifting contents in and out might have less adverse wear effect on the rounded over surfaces than on the crispness of the alternative chamfered edges.  Your decision (or hers), in any case.   [smile]
- Willy -

  "Show us a man who never makes a mistake and we will show a man who never makes anything. 
  The capacity for occasional blundering is inseparable from the capacity to bring things to pass."

 - Herman Lincoln Wayland (1830-1898)

Offline Rick Herrick

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #148 on: May 07, 2021, 04:01 PM »
FWIW, I tried a small, 1/8" chamfer on some oak for cabinets and by the time I had sanding done, it was almost a round-over anyway.  Probably my technique but maybe keep that in mind.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Home Office Remodel
« Reply #149 on: May 07, 2021, 05:14 PM »
A few swipes with a block plane and you’ll have a nice crisp chamfer.