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Offline Bugsysiegals

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Dining Room Remodel - Rafters, Header, Drywall, Cabinets
« on: December 02, 2019, 03:46 PM »
I'm remodeling my Dining Room and could use some feedback.

The previous owner tore down the wall separating the Dining/Living Rooms which supported the hip of the ceiling joists running N/S (front roof) joining the ceiling joists running W/E (side roof) and never put up a header!!!  In addition, the Dining Room fireplace was removed and I've noticed whoever installed it cut through a rafter in order to vent it out the roof while "strengthening" it by running 2x4 perpendicular to the cut rafter tacking it to the rafters on either side and to the cut face of the rafter.  FWIW - I can see the rafter is sagging/pulled away from the plywood a little bit and needs to be supported better.

All that said, I've a crack in the ceiling below the area of the cut rafter and had a vertical crack down the exterior wall in the same place.  I've added additional basement ceiling joists below the existing support beam to strengthen it further (dining/kitchen wall removed and supported by a header), widened the vertical support beam, and added the header the previous owner failed to install in order to support this hip.  I'll be redoing the roof in the next few years and consider to just tear off the plywood and replace the rafter in complete at that time ... is this how you would do it or would you doing something different such as gluing/lagging 2x10's on each side of the cut rafter to "sandwich" it?

I've torn down and put up new drywall on the exterior wall but have some gaps as I tried to level and fasten the sheet on my own.  Not being an expert in drywall, are these gaps to large or can I simply fill in with some mud, tape, and move on?  I don't want to deal with more cracks in the wall but if this is totally sufficient I'm happy to move on.

Standing in the hallway looking North
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Standing in the Kitchen looking East ... crack in the ceiling
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Living Room side of the header ... cut the drywall a bit more than I should've ... whoops!
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Dining Room side of the header ... gaps in the sheets on the walls
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Close up of the largest gap I have
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I've not yet drywall the South side of the Dining Room as my wife wants me to build cabinets and I'm not sure about the switches/outlets.  I upgraded my existing 2-gang switch to a 4-gang and now have exterior motion light, dining room light, dim able canned lighting, and room for 1 more switch but am wondering about above/under lighting which would use 2 switches.  If I run the cabinets to the ceiling I avoid up lighting and am fine but I've only 8 foot ceilings ... would you go to the ceiling?  In the picture below, something my wife found and thinks would be nice, they've outlet in the wall whereas I've seen other people run Romex through a hole in the wall just above 54", and mounting an outlet or outlet strip in the bottom area of the cabinet ... what's the popular way of doing this?

FWIW - My Dining Room is 9' wide and 8' tall.  I don't have a pantry and have a smaller kitchen so these cabinets will likely hold food, perhaps a few fancy dishes, and maybe stuff not used in the kitchen regularly.  Here's some pictures of the Dining Room so you can get a better idea of things as well as what my wife has in mind.  I'd love to hear feedback/suggestions from those of you who do this for a living and have seen many more homes than I have...

We've all wood in the house but something like this could be nice.
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Living Room looking South into Dining Room
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Kitchen looking South East into Dining Room
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Closeup looking SE
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Closeup looking SW
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« Last Edit: December 02, 2019, 04:31 PM by Bugsysiegals »

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Offline Sourwould

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Re: Dining Room Remodel - Rafters, Header, Drywall, Cabinets
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2019, 04:25 PM »
LOOOOL got to love a weekend warrior special! What was holding up the handshake? Just nails in the lap?

Is your rafter cut through and through? If I had a botched rafter that wasn't cut clear in two, I would just sister onto the side of it with the same sized material. I would use as long a piece as a could. I wouldn't glue or lag. If I wanted a little extra I might throw a few structural screws in it. I'm not an engineer though, and am not qualified to calculate the load on that rater.  [tongue]

Your drywall job looks a lot better than some of the sites I've been on.

Offline Bugsysiegals

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Re: Dining Room Remodel - Rafters, Header, Drywall, Cabinets
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2019, 04:40 PM »
LOOOOL got to love a weekend warrior special! What was holding up the handshake? Just nails in the lap?

Hehe, I'm happy to be able to manage a sheet of drywall on my own but definitely need some type of assist tool!

Is your rafter cut through and through? If I had a botched rafter that wasn't cut clear in two, I would just sister onto the side of it with the same sized material. I would use as long a piece as a could. I wouldn't glue or lag. If I wanted a little extra I might throw a few structural screws in it. I'm not an engineer though, and am not qualified to calculate the load on that rater.  [tongue]

Yes, they cut a 2-3' section out of it and ran 2x4 across the faces of the cut ends.  You can see they're cracked and weren't up for such a task.  Thanks for the feedback ... even if I was to replace it down the road, I'm with you that I should do something now.

Offline Sourwould

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Re: Dining Room Remodel - Rafters, Header, Drywall, Cabinets
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2019, 04:48 PM »
LOOOOL got to love a weekend warrior special! What was holding up the handshake? Just nails in the lap?

Hehe, I'm happy to be able to manage a sheet of drywall on my own but definitely need some type of assist tool!

Is your rafter cut through and through? If I had a botched rafter that wasn't cut clear in two, I would just sister onto the side of it with the same sized material. I would use as long a piece as a could. I wouldn't glue or lag. If I wanted a little extra I might throw a few structural screws in it. I'm not an engineer though, and am not qualified to calculate the load on that rater.  [tongue]

Yes, they cut a 2-3' section out of it and ran 2x4 across the faces of the cut ends.  You can see they're cracked and weren't up for such a task.  Thanks for the feedback ... even if I was to replace it down the road, I'm with you that I should do something now.

See this a lot in old houses and usually they just get scabbed. People used to just cut stuff and not think twice. I've been through a couple where someone cut through a big girder and had to get an engineer.

Do you have an pictures of the ceiling open before you put in the header?

Offline Bugsysiegals

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Re: Dining Room Remodel - Rafters, Header, Drywall, Cabinets
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2019, 05:20 PM »
Surprisingly with all the photos I have I was able to find a few ...

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Underneath the right side drywall the joists change from N/S to W/E direction.  The W/E joists are supported by the existing header while the N/S joists where just supported by being nailed to the W/E joists and they were pulling apart a bit without a header underneath.

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« Last Edit: December 02, 2019, 05:23 PM by Bugsysiegals »

Offline Sourwould

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Re: Dining Room Remodel - Rafters, Header, Drywall, Cabinets
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2019, 05:25 PM »
Crazy that those nails held in the ceiling joists. Lucky it's not two stories.

Offline Bugsysiegals

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Re: Dining Room Remodel - Rafters, Header, Drywall, Cabinets
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2019, 05:43 PM »
Crazy that those nails held in the ceiling joists. Lucky it's not two stories.

It's to bad I didn't take a close-up picture of the separation, with a heavy enough snowfall it might have let loose.  I just don't understand how somebody would do such a thing ... a simple crawl into the attic and you can see the boards change direction and understand where you need load bearing support.