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Offline ryanjg117

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Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« on: November 16, 2019, 02:29 AM »
Our late 70s home has a lot of issues, but right at the top of the list is our guest/central bathroom. Truly hideous, with brass outlet/switch cover plates, knockdown drywall texture "accented" by strips of flowered wallpaper holding on for dear life, laminate floor, and a laminate covered vanity from the same era. The room itself is a bit awkward in that it's a long-ish room (12') but also a bit too narrow (5') for a soaking tub, something we'd like to add. Also, it features an in-swing door which comes dangerously close to the toilet bowl, a personal pet peeve of mine. Overall, it's just a poor use of space. I made a quick-n-dirty SketchUp video to show you what it looks like today:

Current state

My plan:

* Push out part of the wall and add a soaking tub where the big vanity exists today; make a smaller vanity and place it adjacent to the soaking tub

* Replace combo shower/tub combo with custom walk-in shower

* Move the toilet about 10-12 inches along the back wall, toward the center of the room (necessary for the 38" width of the walk-in shower)

* Replace the in-swing door with either a pocket door or out-swing door

Here's a quick-n-dirty SketchUp video showing my rough idea for the new bathroom:

Future state

I'm fairly confident in my demolition, framing, drywall, electrical and finish work, but plumbing is one area I haven't spent much time. However, I did sweat about 200 feet of copper for the air lines in my workshop a few months back -- so I've got that nailed down. I'm certainly not opposed to doing the plumbing work myself (especially since a local, licensed plumber quoted me $2K just for the rough plumbing work on this project), but I don't really know where to start. A few random questions I have:

* Can I tap into existing vent lines already in place for my sink or shower?

* What diameter drain needs to be used for the soaking tub, and can I merge that into the drain that's currently used for the shower/tub combo? (Will it be possible to drain the shower and soaking tub at the same time?)

* What is the required slope for drains?

* What other plumbing concerns/considerations should I be thinking about?
« Last Edit: November 16, 2019, 02:19 PM by ryanjg117 »

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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2019, 10:08 AM »
I could not view the links until I quoted your post.

Looks like you want to use a 6' soaking tub? The existing allcove tub would have been 5'. If you're going with a 6'er, a tub filler is pretty much a must have. This needs to be plumbed with its own supply lines back to the source. The volumethey take affects the other fixtures use.

What fixtures are you plasnning in the shower? Body sprays, rain head? Knowing this will answer the drain question. Normally a 2" drain in a shower is adequate, I've had to do 2 two's due to the volume of the heads in a few.

Generally, yes on the vents.

Soaking tub is usually 1-1/2" drain, shower 2".

1/4" per foot.

Fixtures----it all works backwards from there.

Tom




Offline ryanjg117

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2019, 02:33 PM »
Looks like you want to use a 6' soaking tub?

Tom, sorry, fixed the links (I think).

I'm thinking about going with this tub (66x32") - so not quite six feet. Pushing out the wall in that area about a foot to get a comfortable amount of space around the tub as well. Am also thinking about under-mounting it with a granite or quartz surround for easy cleaning.

First I've heard of a "tub filler" - what's the advantage over a standard tub faucet? Flow? Or just style? I'd like to avoid a situation where I have to run a dedicated plumbing line back to the hot water heater, if that's what you're suggesting. Really want to be able to tap into the existing supply lines in the bathroom, even if that means the tub and shower can't be used/filled at the same time. Is that realistic? (Side note and note sure if it matters, but I know this home has a 1" water supply line coming into the home, and I have to pay extra each month for that luxury.)

For shower fixtures, I still need to do some research, but will probably go for a multifunction showerhead and handshower kit like this one. I believe it will either be 1.75 or 2.0 gpm.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2019, 02:58 PM by ryanjg117 »

Offline George Oliver

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2019, 05:17 PM »
I'd like to avoid a situation where I have to run a dedicated plumbing line back to the hot water heater, if that's what you're suggesting. Really want to be able to tap into the existing supply lines in the bathroom, even if that means the tub and shower can't be used/filled at the same time. Is that realistic?

You are going to do a good amount of drain work moving fixtures and adding new ones, probably working from below, etc., adding a supply line won't be much in the grand scheme of things.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2019, 11:25 PM by George Oliver »

Offline Erich

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2019, 06:44 PM »
The tub filler faucets have a higher flow rate than the standard tub and shower valve. In my previous experience to get the max possible fill rate they used a 3/4" supply as opposed to 1/2".  I just checked a random Kohler unit, they do have a 1/2" high flow rough in valve available for a 16 GPM unit.

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2019, 06:49 PM »
The tub you are looking to buy has a capacity of 85.8 gallons according to the spec sheet. (make sure you support this well, full you're over 1650 pounds)

At 2 gallons a minute----40 minutes to fill........

The right tub filler will fill it in less than 7 minutes.

Make sure the water heater can handle this unit.

Isn't remodeling fun [eek].......

Tom

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2019, 07:44 PM »
The tub you are looking to buy has a capacity of 85.8 gallons according to the spec sheet. (make sure you support this well, full you're over 1650 pounds)


Tom, water weighs 8.34# per gallon.  That means water weight is 715.57# (8.34 x 85.8 = 715.57) plus the weight of the tub at 86# per the specs.  That comes up to 801.57#.  I'm curious about where you get 1650#? 
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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2019, 09:03 PM »
The tub you are looking to buy has a capacity of 85.8 gallons according to the spec sheet. (make sure you support this well, full you're over 1650 pounds)


Tom, water weighs 8.34# per gallon.  That means water weight is 715.57# (8.34 x 85.8 = 715.57) plus the weight of the tub at 86# per the specs.  That comes up to 801.57#.  I'm curious about where you get 1650#?

Poor mental math in a hurry.

Total load on the floor with this being a drop in unit (framing sheething, tile) with a person in it will come in about 1100 pounds when it is full.

Tom

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2019, 10:02 AM »
The tub you are looking to buy has a capacity of 85.8 gallons according to the spec sheet. (make sure you support this well, full you're over 1650 pounds)


Tom, water weighs 8.34# per gallon.  That means water weight is 715.57# (8.34 x 85.8 = 715.57) plus the weight of the tub at 86# per the specs.  That comes up to 801.57#.  I'm curious about where you get 1650#?

Poor mental math in a hurry.

Total load on the floor with this being a drop in unit (framing sheething, tile) with a person in it will come in about 1100 pounds when it is full.

Tom

That makes better sense.  Thanks for the clarity. 
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2019, 10:24 AM »
* Can I tap into existing vent lines already in place for my sink or shower?

* What diameter drain needs to be used for the soaking tub, and can I merge that into the drain that's currently used for the shower/tub combo? (Will it be possible to drain the shower and soaking tub at the same time?)

* What is the required slope for drains?

* What other plumbing concerns/considerations should I be thinking about?


Apparently answers to those questions are worth $2k



Good luck with your project. Be sure to get a permit and inspection else you might have
to tear it all out if you ever sell. At least that's what could (and has) happened in NJ.

"I don't need no stinking permit."

Well, yeah, you do, at least the State of Washington thinks so. You can certainly take your chances and do it without a permit.

https://www.kingcounty.gov/depts/health/environmental-health/piping/plumbing/homeowners-plumbing-permit.aspx

Seattle Plumbing Code
https://www.seattle.gov/DPD/cs/groups/pan/@pan/documents/web_informational/p3256811.pdf
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2019, 11:02 AM »
Along with the other suggestions, I'd highly...highly recommend installing an in-wall toilet. It's a huge space saver in a narrow bathroom. Kohler offers versions for both 2 x 4 and 2 x 6 walls. The in-wall toilet shortens the projection of the toilet into the room by 6-10"...that's huge.

It has a powder coated steel frame that bolts directly to the framing members and it will support 600#. it also places the toilet above the floor which means swabbing the floor is easy.

I'd also recommend installing a wall hung vanity which also makes bathroom floor cleaning chores easy. Spend the $$ now and you will be rewarded in the future...guaranteed. Nothing worse than being bent over on your hands and knees and swabbing the deck.

The Europeans have been installing these things for over 20 years because real estate is precious.  The same situation exists for tankless water heaters...real estate is precious.




It's curious that a 1" water inlet is an extra cost option  [eek]  I assumed that was the norm.

I ran 3/4" copper off of the 1" copper main to the shower. Once inside the shower cavity I then ran 3/4" Pex to the various valves. I prefer to use long turn copper elbows instead of the common ones so that volume isn't affected. I purchase the elbows here because they aren't carried by HD, Menards or Lowes.

https://www.supplyhouse.com/Copper-Fittings-130000





A rather handy cheat sheet is available here. There will always be the local jurisdiction code anomalies but this spiral bound flip chart is handy for the majority of items. The one I have has every page laminated in plastic. I purchase it at HD.

https://www.tauntonstore.com/code-check-plumbing-mechanical-5th-edition.html?ref=1#collateral-tabs

Offline Koamolly

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2019, 11:22 AM »
Install an electrical outlet by toilet in case you want a bidet/Washlet in the future if you’re not planning on one now.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2019, 11:50 AM »
Install an electrical outlet by toilet in case you want a bidet/Washlet in the future if you’re not planning on one now.

Great suggestion...that's the reason for the outlet in the lower part of the Kohler in-wall toilet frame. One side of the optional Kohler bidet/washlet connects to water while the other connects to electricity.  [smile]

Offline Koamolly

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2019, 12:47 PM »
Install an electrical outlet by toilet in case you want a bidet/Washlet in the future if you’re not planning on one now.

Great suggestion...that's the reason for the outlet in the lower part of the Kohler in-wall toilet frame. One side of the optional Kohler bidet/washlet connects to water while the other connects to electricity.  [smile]

I did notice that in the photo.  ;)

OP might also consider power for LED/Heated mirror, heated towel bars, dedicated hair dryer drawer with power so hair dryer always plugged in, heated floors in certain areas.  Also take a look at Panasonic vent fans.


Offline Cheese

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2019, 01:04 PM »
OP might also consider power for LED/Heated mirror, heated towel bars, dedicated hair dryer drawer with power so hair dryer always plugged in, heated floors in certain areas.  Also take a look at Panasonic vent fans.

Here's a shot inside the vanity, an outlet for the hairdryer, an outlet to recharge the toothbrush and an outlet to recharge the shaver.  [smile]

The Panasonic fans are also my favorite...very quiet.

I do wish I had installed a heated towel bar.  [crying]


Online Gregor

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2019, 04:07 PM »
Along with the other suggestions, I'd highly...highly recommend installing an in-wall toilet. It's a huge space saver in a narrow bathroom.
It's not really a space-saver (as the wall needs to gets thicker than one without anything in it, at least when you want to also have some soundproofing so that flushing at night won't travel through the wall into all adjacent rooms and wake everyone there).

But I completely agree with the rest of the arguments (cleaning, optics, ...).

I also second the idea of a combined toilet/bidet, as time passes your hemorrhoids will get more problematic (statistically) so you'll likely have a point in time from which you'll prefer a shower for after-the-fact cleaning instead of mechanical scraping around a then quite sensible portion of your body using a bunch of paper.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2019, 04:12 PM by Gregor »

Offline Sbradley0911

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2019, 04:30 PM »
I'd also look into doing a wedi system for the walk in shower/ tub if I were you.  It's similar to the schluter system but better in my opinion and less steps and possibly of a failure.  They make nice prepitched shower pans that have curbs or curbless and also panels to extend the pan if your application doesn't fit in between the sizes they have. 

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2019, 06:51 PM »
@ryanjg117 define walk in shower.

A lot of work can go into one. Explain what you're looking to have.

Tom

Offline ryanjg117

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2019, 07:23 PM »
Will definitely look into permitting, thanks for those links.

Good ideas on fixtures, I will not forget the power outlet near the toilet for the bidet! With kids in potty training, I can only imagine the luxury of being able to say "just press that button."

Not sure if the in wall toilet will work for my project. The wall with the toilet is actually a shared wall with the master bath, and I suspect the toilets are mounted in the exact same position in both bathrooms, probably to simplify plumbing when built.

For the shower, I was researching the Kerdi system as they have a 38" prefab shower base and I've watched a few hundred YouTube videos on installing it. But I'll look into the alternative mentioned here. Was thinking custom tile, with a full glass wall/door.

For flooring, tile? I'd like to minimize maintenance (grout sealing). Any good alternatives for bathrooms?

Offline xedos

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2019, 08:16 PM »
Cheese , nice looking work.

Why did you choose PEX and then go to the time, troubled and expense using all those copper 90's insead of running the pipe point to point ?

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2019, 09:01 PM »
Will definitely look into permitting, thanks for those links.

Good ideas on fixtures, I will not forget the power outlet near the toilet for the bidet! With kids in potty training, I can only imagine the luxury of being able to say "just press that button."

Not sure if the in wall toilet will work for my project. The wall with the toilet is actually a shared wall with the master bath, and I suspect the toilets are mounted in the exact same position in both bathrooms, probably to simplify plumbing when built.

For the shower, I was researching the Kerdi system as they have a 38" prefab shower base and I've watched a few hundred YouTube videos on installing it. But I'll look into the alternative mentioned here. Was thinking custom tile, with a full glass wall/door.

For flooring, tile? I'd like to minimize maintenance (grout sealing). Any good alternatives for bathrooms?

The Kerdi works well. The Wedi would be thier Fungo.

Epoxy grout. Avoid any type of natrual stone on the floor.

These are barrier free showers. Neither are ADA compliant.

Tom

Offline ryanjg117

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2019, 03:25 AM »
These are barrier free showers. Neither are ADA compliant.

Stunning, but also in a bathroom with 15 foot lofted ceilings by the look of it. I'm working with much less here, ha. Good to take inspiration from. I'll definitely look into the low-threshold or zero threshold shower options. That floor drain is pretty sweet.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2019, 10:38 AM »
Cheese , nice looking work.

Why did you choose PEX and then go to the time, troubled and expense using all those copper 90's insead of running the pipe point to point ?

Thanks...the space between the studs is quite narrow and the 3/4" Pex will not easily bend without kinking. I also really wanted to eliminate any side loading of the hot water fittings that may cause problems or possible leaks in the future. That's the reason for the Pex/copper combination.


Offline Cheese

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2019, 11:46 AM »
I'm working with much less here, ha. Good to take inspiration from. I'll definitely look into the low-threshold or zero threshold shower options. That floor drain is pretty sweet.

The barrier free shower is also nice if you have dogs that need to be bathed on occasion.

2nd vote for epoxy or urethane grout. They're both considerably more expensive than standard grout but they have ZERO maintenance issues.

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2019, 10:57 PM »
These are barrier free showers. Neither are ADA compliant.

Stunning, but also in a bathroom with 15 foot lofted ceilings by the look of it. I'm working with much less here, ha. Good to take inspiration from. I'll definitely look into the low-threshold or zero threshold shower options. That floor drain is pretty sweet.

@ryanjg117,

If you look carefully at the shoer with the marble wall,  the drain is at the faucet wall, it is a tile over.

Tom

Offline jarbroen

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2019, 06:57 PM »
Did you start the bathroom remodel?  Or make progress on the design?

I was in similar shoes at the beginning of this year.  A leak in our master bathroom shower lead to a gut and remodel of our master bath and closet.
My dad is a contractor and has experience with tile and building Wedi showers.  Both of us were also electricians.
The one 'new' thing was plumbing.  I have to say that forums like Terry Love helped quite a bit.  There are a lot of codes, gotchas and pitfalls with the plumbing so make sure you do a lot of research if DIY.
Also, keep in mind that tools for plumbing can add up.  I spent $500 to buy PEX crimpers, torch for sweating, etc.

I had planned on paying a company to do the plumbing. Even after they quoted me $3200 for the rough in.  I was moving the tub drain a foot or so, shower drain a foot, adding tub filler and another shower head/valve.
Due to the snowstorm we had this February I did the work myself.  The company called the day before install to tell me I was getting pushed out 2+ weeks on the install because they were helping customers with emergencies...
Anyway, I would have gladly payed to have a pro install the plumbing.  I was on a time crunch and couldn't wait so I did it myself.
Turned out okay, though a very stressful process.

On your drain questions - I would suggest NOT combining your toilet drain with your sink drain.  I'd have to go research to be sure, but I'm pretty positive that's a big no no.
There are also codes about venting - IE stack has to be within 48"(guessing).  You also have to account for the slope - something like 1/4" per foot for the drains.

Also - from a design perspective I'd put a nice sized vanity on the wall that faces the door, a nice walk in shower where the current shower is and move the toilet to where your vanity is now.  Personally, I'd rather look through a door and see a nice vanity instead of the pooper.  And your door can be a right hinge - inward swing.  Hides the terdlet.
Assuming you can do a drain swap between the vanity and toilet - that shouldn't be a huge amount of plumbing changes.

In a guest bathroom, do you really need a soak tub?  I'd add things like easier access to the shower, grab bars, etc.  Things that make it more convenient to use and potentially add to ease of resale.  Lots of people look for things like that, especially if it's a first floor bathroom.

I know I'm from Washington State, but my wife's friend from New York says I could have grown up there... lol
I can be blunt, I think is what she's saying. 


Offline ryanjg117

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2019, 03:48 AM »
Hides the terdlet.

Hide my throne? Never!

Sorry I've been quiet... I've been working on the design a bit more and have some new ideas to share:

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Thanks for all the great design ideas. In general, we're sticking with the idea of a walk-in shower (replacing the current tub/shower combo) and adding the soaking tub on the opposite wall. Adding the tub here because our long-term plan is to also renovate our master bathroom, removing the tub/shower combo in that bathroom with another full-size walk-in shower. So this will be the only tub in the house. Both bathrooms are only 4'11" wide which in my chubbie opinion isn't comfortable (length-wise) for a bath. That's why we're blowing out the wall... I want to have some elbow and headroom when I'm pondering the birth of the universe and what happened before the Big Bang.

I think my one concern with the design as I have it now: serviceability of the tub plumbing if anything bad happens. I'm envisioning the vanity being tight up against that tub, but that also blocks access through the front facade. Thinking about how I can make the vanity removable while retaining the nice quartz skirt off the right of the vanity. Any ideas?

I'm still totally confused on the permitting front. Since we're moving a wall (for the soaking bath, pushing out the wall about a foot into the walkway), I'm still not sure if I need a building permit even though I had a structural engineering company come out and verify none of the walls on this level of the home are load-bearing (and I have the letter). I know this will require plumbing and electrical permits, but not sure if I need to obtain those separately or if they are a "rider" to the building permit. Permitting offices are difficult to impossible to reach right now and not set up for DIY'ers. @jarbroen - Interested in how you navigated this process since you're also in Washington state.

From an electrical standpoint, this bathroom contains the main GFCI outlet for all three bathrooms in the house. But, I want to move it to the location shown in the renderings (just left of the vanity). Also, I'm planning either to make my own recessed vanity with storage and an electrical outlet inside it, or purchase one off the shelf. Also adding an additional outlet off the GFCI to the left of the toilet for the eventual . I say "eventual" because it's a $1,000 toilet lid that's heated, auto-rises, and auto-cleans (both you and itself). Not really in my $10K budget for this reno, but maybe in the future. [tongue] @jarbroen - What will I need to show for the electrical permit? And can I move that GFCI to the opposite wall without having to have a junction box with a blank plate in the old spot?

From a plumbing standpoint, the current combo tub/shower becomes a dedicated shower; the toilet moves to the right about 6-12 inches, the sink is moving to the back wall, and the soaking tub is the big net-new. I can sweat my own copper and would prefer to keep it copper behind the walls, but I know the plumbing permit is going to require a plumbing design. @jarbroen - Did you have to create your own design? How comprehensive was it?
« Last Edit: December 22, 2019, 01:39 PM by ryanjg117 »

Offline Cheese

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2019, 10:00 AM »
A couple of things...

As you mentioned, that Toto will need it's own electrical outlet and its own water. Check to see if it can use the existing cold water or if it needs a hot water tap.

All those clear glass shelves look great but once the humidity level rises, whatever dust is around will get stuck to the shelves. It becomes a non-stop cleaning situation. If you want that many shelves think about some natural stone which will help hide the dirt & dust. I installed two 18" glass shelves above the toilet (like your example) and that's more than enough. Orchids and Aloe Vera love the bathroom environment. [big grin]

I'd also recommend installing a hand shower at the same time as long as the shower wall will be opened up anyways. If you get the longer hose you can also use it to clean up and spray down the shower after use or to wash the dogs. We use ours all the time. The hand shower will come with its own mount so you can mount it where it's convenient.



« Last Edit: December 22, 2019, 10:43 AM by Cheese »

Offline miclee15

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« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2019, 12:32 PM »
I put that Toto bidet in my bathroom, best thing ever.  Lol.  I didn’t have an outlet so the $1000 seat ended up cost a lot more to have a electrician run a line.   Get a reg Toto toilet they are worth the cost and the addition of the bidet is easier in the future. 

Offline ryanjg117

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Re: Bathroom remodel - adding plumbing for soaking bath
« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2019, 01:54 PM »
@Cheese, yep, handshower is in the plans. I just couldn't find the 3D model for the "shower system" on Kohler's website. All the other fixtures shown (except toilet) are the actual fixtures we're thinking about going with (Kohler Forte line). Discovered eFaucets sells just about all these fixtures for about 60% of the "list price" stated on Kohler's website, plus free shipping and no tax.