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Offline six-point socket II

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When I searched for some videos regarding the use and setup/carving of that DIY Duplex Sanding Pad from Festool ( https://www.festool.com/accessory/490780---ssh-stf-ls130-kit ) that Michael found, I stumbled over this:





Kind regards,
Oliver
Kind regards,
Oliver

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Offline Bob D.

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@HarveyWildes This is what you’re inventing.
« Last Edit: Today at 04:42 PM by Michael Kellough »

Yes, that is what I was thinking of. Maybe I saw that some time ago
and forgot, but it's right in line with what I pictured, and the price
seems reasonable when you factor in all the sanding it could save.

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Offline Cheese

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This is what you’re inventing.[/url]

Unfortunately, that's only a viable solution for large radiused profiles. From my experience there are 2 or 3 inherent problems involved when using this option on small/tight profiles.

1. The thickness of the sandpaper
2. The stiffness of the sandpaper substrate
3. The size of the sandpaper granules

All 3 of these issues add up to be a very ineffectual solution to power sanding small dimensioned/featured wooden profiles.

I'm thinking something more along the lines of the old 3M WetorDry sand paper or the 3M Tri-M-ite sand paper. It was composed of a very thin backing paper that was also very flexible and very tough. That, combined with the small diameter sanding granules allowed the stuff to get into the nooks & crannies that were incredibly small. The small granule size may not be great for removing existing finishes, but that's better left to stripping compounds.

The small granules would then be effective in abrading the surface and providing a tooth for the new finish to adhere to.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2019, 09:06 AM by Cheese »

Offline Tinker

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when I was waaayyyy back in high school shop class, we used a wet/drysand paper that was very thin and very flexible to get into all sorts of tight and intricate places. We could fold it back against a very sharp corner of a sanding pad that we had cut to fit into a very tight corner. The sand paper would not tear with such a tight bend. I don't remember if the backing material was paper or cloth. I just remember using the paper/cloth to get into very tight corners.

Later, during my learning period in the real world, I was often shunted off with the painting crew (I actually hated painting and especially the sanding in preparation for the painting) and the painters would sand some very intricate moldings where they would get into very tight corners with a very stiff paper with fine grit. That was way back even before I was 38, so I don't remember all the details. As I progressed and eventually got into my trade, if the part did not fit, we used a bigger hammer. We weren't using paint, but paster hid many deficiencies. We used trowels and other finishing tools. I liked that much better.

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Offline six-point socket II

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@Cheese

 [big grin]  [eek]  [big grin]  [smile]







Kind regards,
Oliver
Kind regards,
Oliver

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@Cheese

 [big grin]  [eek]  [big grin]  [smile]







Kind regards,
Oliver

That's funny Oliver...but that's exactly the stuff I'm talking about. Maybe the new Festool net would be flexible enough to work for this application?  I don't have any so I have no experience with it.

Offline six-point socket II

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That's what happens when you turn 3 different generation workshops into one, more or less. I knew exactly what you were talking about and in which drawer I would find it. :)

I think the net stuff would be flexible enough.

Kind regards,
Oliver
Kind regards,
Oliver

Offline Cheese

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Don't hunt for the S473 if you can get your hands on the Festool Granat sponges, I went looking for my after Uli mentioned them, and they are probably exactly the same ... except for the abrasive itself? I would love to know if Festools sponges are made in the UK, if they are - the Bosch are as well. I wouldn't be surprised if there is only one real manufacturer for these sponges and the only difference is the quality of abrasive and bonding.


Thanks for that observation Oliver as I was going to order a few S473 packages from Amazon UK. So, I went back and looked at the Festool sanding sponges, 201112 (60 grit), 201113 (120 grit), 201114 (220 grit) & 201507 (800 grit). They appear to be the very same as the Bosch S473 offerings. Same pad size & same pad thickness.  [cool]

The Bosch S473 pads I've seen are orange, yellow & green. However, I noticed you were using a Bosch blue pad, would that be the equivalent of the Festool 201507 800 grit or more like the 201114 220 grit pad?


Offline six-point socket II

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Sadly, Bosch doesn't offer any information on the actual grit. Or at least I can't find that information.

What I can say, is:

Green = super fine
Yellow = fine
Orange = medium

Those are the Bosch Professional S473 Best for Contour

And my guess is, they more or less equal the Festool 800, 220 and (probably) 120 grit.

The blue Bosch pad, although sold to me along with the yellow and other Professional sponge products from Bosch, seems to be from Bosch's DIY line up: https://www.ebay.de/itm/BOSCH-Schwamm-fur-Konturen-best-fur-Contour-mittel-2609256349-/122920761708 (ebay Link just for reference) which are not color coded, all of them are blue. BUT: They sell this as medium, but the grit is way coarse than 120, at least 80, maybe even "just" 60. And it seems not to be sold in all countries. If I switch from Germany to UK on the Bosch DIY site, I get the Professional sponge products.

BTW: Both the Festool and Bosch (Professional) sponges are made in the UK.

Pictures copyright by Bosch.






Personally I'd go with 60, 120, 220 for wood applications, rather than 120, 220, 800.

Kind regards,
Oliver
Kind regards,
Oliver

Offline mike_aa

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when I was waaayyyy back in high school shop class, we used a wet/drysand paper.......

Tinker
@Tinker How many moons ago was that?   [big grin]

Mike A.

Offline Tinker

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at least >>>>>>>>>> oh! I
when I was waaayyyy back in high school shop class, we used a wet/drysand paper.......

Tinker
@Tinker How many moons ago was that?   [big grin]

Mike A.

can't count that far.

Tinker
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Offline six-point socket II

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Advertisement (Because of visible Klein Tools, you guys now the drill by now ... ;) )


Hi!

Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving & safe travels!

Black Friday is traditionally the day when we put up our Christmas decorations and hang string lights.

By now we have replaced most of our classic string lights with those that have LED's instead of incandescent bulbs. Because it seems these magically form clusters that can't be entangled, every year I neatly and carefully wrap one string on one piece of cardboard when we stash them away in January.

Now I'm not telling anyone anything new, but every year it's the same. I neatly store them, and come Christmas time - something goes awry.

I checked these string lights, worked flawless. I get up the ladder, and have about 1/3rd of them neatly placed in the tree, they stop working.

I take them back down and start looking for the culprit.


Here it is. See that rusty spot? The original shrink tube bursted open, probably a conjunction of freezing temperatures, the material becoming brittle, winds tugging on the the branches, and finally the branches tugging the string lights.


It's times like this, I especially love my gas-powered soldering iron. Setup is quick and clean.



Using a fine soldering tip, I re-connect the wire.



And *yay* it works again.



A little pause and change of tip, this time for heat shrinking. Applying and shrinking of shrink tube.






Using some camo duck (duct) tape to cover the red shrink tube.






I think I have yet to come around a single Christmas time where I didn't have to replace or work on some pesky string lights ... ;)

Everyone, have a great Advent, enjoy the season!

Kind regards,
Oliver
Kind regards,
Oliver

Offline six-point socket II

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Another year has come and (almost) gone.

I'd like to thank each and everyone here on the FOG for the great discussions, tips and time shared together on this forum.

I'd like to thank Festool for lending an ear whenever asked for it, for "care packages" received and the all around great communication with even their smallest customer.

Last but not least, I'd like to thank Peter and Seth for their tireless, personal engagement to keep this place what it is, THANK YOU!

That said, time has come for me to say goodbye and wish everyone well!

With the new year approaching, I decided to quit writing about my projects and endeavors of trying "new to me"-tools. I also won't take anymore time for general debating/ discussing online - the time saved will be distributed between and spend on my various interests. Although, it was an incredibly fun ride!

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year everyone!

Kind regards,
Oliver
Kind regards,
Oliver

Offline threesixright

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Ah Oliver!

Best wishes too you. Only one thing more precious and costly. That’s time. Something you can simply not buy, so spend it wise!

Thank you for sharing, it was a delight to follow and learn.

See you when I see you!


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Offline jobsworth

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To Bad Oliver,

I really enjoyed your post and I enjoyed you to.

 I wish you the best in whatever, wherever you may do.

Thank you for everything Have a Merry Christmas, please do stop in from time to time.

We'd love to hear from you.

Ron

Offline GoingMyWay

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Merry Christmas Oliver!  I especially enjoyed your contributions to the What's Cooking thread.

Best of luck!
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Offline RKA

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You’ll be missed Oliver!  Happy Holidays and be well.  Reach out if you ever need anything.
-Raj

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Hi Oliver, sad to read this but, fully understand.
I love reading your posts old and new, and admire your approach to things, so you will leave a noticeable void here.
However, life is short and we must make the most of it. So I hope you will enjoy your other interests and pastimes.
Hopefully you’ll still pop in every so often though.

Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!  [wink]

Offline Bob D.

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Hello Oliver,

I was caught off guard by your announcement that you would
no longer be participating here. Your posts and comments are
a valuable part of this forum. This thread in particular is one I
have looked forward to seeing updates from you.

Best wishes in your future endeavors. May God be with you.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours.
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Offline Tinker

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Oliver, Your leaving will leave a big hole in all of our education. We will miss your observations all the way from your tidbits to your culinary. Take care of yourself in whatever you do to take up your time. I am sure that won't be wasteful in any way.
Tinker
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