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Offline six-point socket II

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Rali planes have been mentioned only a couple of times on here so far, although these have been around for quite some time.

Rali = innovative (hand-) tools made by SAMVAZ AG Switzerland = Inventor and manufacturer of the TERSA cutterblock/ planer head.

I'm by no means an expert on planes and hand planing - there are FOG users who have far more experience with hand planes and the use of them & use them on a way more regular base than I do.

That out of the way, let's talk about the Rali 220 Evolution and my reason for getting one in first place.

On a project two summers ago I used one of my Lie-Nielsen planes (back then it was in fact my only one) for the first time when I fitted trim. Long story short, obviously it worked like a charm and even though it was an outdoor project, which is now well into it's second winter, I'm very pleased with the result/ what I did there.

One thing that "bothered" me was the fact that for sentimental reasons I hang dearly onto that very Lie-Nielsen plane and "baby" it to some extent. Probably not very rational, but hey, that's me. The fact that these days, the tool itself couldn't even be easily replaced if damaged/lost/stolen due to supply constraints, makes matters even worse for me. I love using it but at the same time I wanted to have another option.

I do have some European/German style wooden planes also, but wanted something more versatile.

Now let's be clear that when I talk about a "site" or "beater" plane, what I mean is a tool that can be easily/instantly replaced from multiple different sources if needed and that I don't particularly hang onto. Which I would also place into someone else's hands without supervision or worries. This does not mean that I generally treat it any different than the rest of my tools.

That also out of the way, here's the Rali 220 Evolution (and Rali Press face clamp).



Close-up.



The Rali 220 Evolution features replaceable blades. That for one means no sharpening and in addition any kind of "whoopsie" will not result in a badly damaged blade that then would further need a lot of time consuming extra attention/care & repair. Here you simply swap the blade and are good to go in seconds. Spare blades can be stored in the handle of the plane along with the key to adjust the planes mouth.



The red lever is used to adjust cutting depth and to bring the blade into it's "parking position".



The sole. By loosening the first two screws (with the included key or corresponding Torx driver) the plane's mouth can be adjusted.



Very first try on a small piece of Douglas fir.





And then one last picture, actual project use. In this case needed to make amendments to an existing wooden substructure of a drywalled ceiling. One of the "two by four" I needed to insert, to support a patch, would not level/align to the existing substructure/ceiling without adjustment. I love using a plane for such work because its accurate, quick & clean.



To me the Rali 220 Evolution is the epitome of a rugged, versatile hand plane. Well built, easy to adjust and great to use. Exactly what you want in a "no-nonsense" tool.

It comes with double sided blade installed (and a couple of spares) - Rali does offer a carbide variant of the blade, sold separately which is supposed to last longer. I haven't tried them yet, as I said in the intro, I'm more of an occasional hand plane user and therefore the included, regular, blades with last quite a bit before I need to re-order them, or go for the carbide type to try them as well.

The plane is quite heavy, weighing approx. 1.2kg.

If you consider buying one, be sure to check exactly which model is offered. There a multiple generations/variants. If it says "monobloc" the mouth is not adjustable (hence quite a bit cheaper) and if it says "Zimmermann" (Carpenter) the mouth is again not adjustable, but the sole features an additional groove/rabbet for chamfering/beveling. The Evolution N is the newest variant, it features nickel plated sides instead of the black ones.

Since the original website is not available in english, I link to a vendor from Canada - who I'm not affiliated with in any way:

https://tersaknives.com/collections/rali-hand-planes


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Oliver
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Offline MikeGE

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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2023, 08:49 AM »
Thanks for this Oliver!  I have a modest collection of LN planes in my shop.  Although I don't pamper them, I won't be tossing them in the tool box to work somewhere else.

I thought this must be something new because I have never seen anything like it in the Bauhaus, Toom, Hornbach, or Obi stores.  After reading your review, I found this video that demonstrates the ease of use.  This video is nearly ten years old! Where have they been hiding???


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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2023, 09:01 AM »
Wow. That little Rali is exactly what I've been looking for since forever. I've becoming increasingly concerned about taking handplanes out onsite because many of them were inherited from my Dad, and although most of them are just old meat-and-potatoes Stanleys etc. - they have huge sentimental value. I had no idea stuff like this Rali even existed. I just ordered a 220 Evo and a 260 Evo N from their website. It loaded straight up in English;

https://rali-shop.co.uk/

Thanks for the heads-up and the comprehensive review, Oliver.
Kind regards
Kevin

EDIT = This is also very interesting !!!! = https://rali-shop.co.uk/config-systainer
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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2023, 09:12 AM »
I used to have a "beater" plane that I bought at a woodworking show many years ago. It was a little block plane style thing that used common razor blades. The "frog" had a magnetic base that held the blade in place before the clamp pressed down on it. This also allowed the blade to shift to either side, so it could be used as a rabbet plane, either direction. It also had a plastic shoe that fit over the sole, converting it for use (with PSA sandpaper) as a sanding block. Sadly, I don't remember the brand name of it? Though I do recall that it was French. It was also inexpensive, wish I could find another one.
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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2023, 09:30 AM »
Seeing this post reminded me that I have a Rali 260L plane that I bought a bunch of years ago.  It's a sweet plane of an unconventional design.   [smile]

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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2023, 11:35 AM »
Nice.  Saw a youtube video from a guy i follow (of course now i can't remember who it was) lol
about these but couldn't find many reviews.  Thanks for detail overview. 

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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2023, 12:06 PM »
That side clamping system for work bench intrigued me so much I just ordered one, $135.00 total $160+

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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2023, 12:54 PM »
(...) I thought this must be something new because I have never seen anything like it in the Bauhaus, Toom, Hornbach, or Obi stores. (...)

Thank you!

I doubt you'll ever find something like the Rali planes in the afore mentioned big box stores. It's more likely in some of the Mom & Pop type and/or medium-sized "carpentry"/machinery stores. Like Kirchner GmbH in 97447 Gerolzhofen (One of the few that actually have a website ... ). The general distributor/importer for Rali is Brück GmbH in 57258 Freudenberg.

Both BTI and Würth also stock parts of the Rali line, but not all of them.


Wow. That little Rali is exactly what I've been looking for since forever. (...) I just ordered a 220 Evo and a 260 Evo N from their website. (...)

Thank you!

Then I hope, actually I'm sure, you will be very happy with your purchase!

I used to have a "beater" plane that I bought at a woodworking show many years ago. It was a little block plane style thing that used common razor blades. The "frog" had a magnetic base that held the blade in place before the clamp pressed down on it. This also allowed the blade to shift to either side, so it could be used as a rabbet plane, either direction. It also had a plastic shoe that fit over the sole, converting it for use (with PSA sandpaper) as a sanding block. Sadly, I don't remember the brand name of it? Though I do recall that it was French. It was also inexpensive, wish I could find another one.

That sounds really intriguing! I did a search, but wasn't successful in finding the model you described. But I found this, the history of some of these razor blade planes: https://jeffpeachey.com/2011/08/17/razor-blade-planes-an-overview/ Very interesting!

Seeing this post reminded me that I have a Rali 260L plane that I bought a bunch of years ago.  It's a sweet plane of an unconventional design.   [smile]

Now that's an early one, very cool!

Nice.  Saw a youtube video from a guy i follow (of course now i can't remember who it was) lol
about these but couldn't find many reviews.  Thanks for detail overview. 

Thank you!

That side clamping system for work bench intrigued me so much I just ordered one, $135.00 total $160+

You're going to love that! :)


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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2023, 01:04 PM »
@Crazyraceguy Was it by chance a "rabot kid" http://www.rabotkid.com/ ?

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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2023, 01:18 PM »
A Stanley S5 is a good option too, they're stamped steel instead of cast iron.

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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2023, 01:36 PM »
@Crazyraceguy Was it by chance a "rabot kid" http://www.rabotkid.com/ ?

Kind regards,
Oliver

@six-point socket II  That's it! Mine was more than 10 years ago, so the plastic parts were a different color. It was a creamy tan/yellow, otherwise just the same. I knew it was right when I read the link name, but the current model is unchanged, other than the plastic. Looks like the one I had was the 24 Boss, IIRC is was $25 or so? but that was years ago, and a "show special". It came with a bunch of extra blades too. 40 Euros is not that much more considering
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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2023, 01:42 PM »
I demonstrated and sold RALI in the 90s at the woodworking shows. I first ran across them at IWF in Atlanta about 1988. Still have and use them myself. Once I started selling Tormek, "disposable" blades didn't mesh with the whole product line that well and I dropped them.

The best feature of the carbide blades is how they work with plywood and fiberboards. The glue lines in plywood are brutal on any kind of steel blades. The RALI carbide blades aren't quite as sharp as the steel, but they hold up in manufactured material really well.

I don't believe the front sole is adjustable on my old ones. Other than that, little has changed. Through several moves, clearance sales and personal garage sales, I'm down to the smoothing plane, a block plane and the two rabbet planes, all in nickel.

I just recently bought an old INCA planer that has a TERSA cutterhead. It is absolutely amazing. About 2 minutes to change 3 blades and have them perfectly aligned instantly.

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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2023, 03:20 PM »
Here is a USA link:  https://rali-shop.com

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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2023, 03:29 PM »
Thanks Peter! (It's incredible that I wasn't able to switch there because of geolocation/ip fencing.)

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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2023, 03:36 PM »
@jeffinsgf , thanks for bringing up an old memory.  I thought that I remembered seeing the Rali's demoed at the Woodworking shows.

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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2023, 07:38 AM »
@jeffinsgf - nice memory lane :) Ye Tormek and replacecable blades don't mix lol.  That was before woodpecker career? 

Did you get inca 570?  I've been looking to get one with tersa heads but not many are out there for sale.   They are nice though and changing blades are amazingly easy and fast

That rali vise looks interesting and might be what I was looking for to outfit my tracktubese based mft need to seee if its doable

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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2023, 08:44 AM »
@jeffinsgf - nice memory lane :) Ye Tormek and replacecable blades don't mix lol.  That was before woodpecker career? 

Yes. I sold Tormek from 1994 until 2014. Look up New Yankee Workshop April 2000 for a laugh.

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Did you get inca 570?  I've been looking to get one with tersa heads but not many are out there for sale.   They are nice though and changing blades are amazingly easy and fast

Yes, I did. 87 or 88, I think. Late Swiss production before production went to France (Swiss = hammered green, French = turquoise). If you're serious about finding one, start following this group: https://groups.io/g/incawoodworking They come up pretty frequently.

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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2023, 10:39 AM »
@jeffinsgf - nice memory lane :) Ye Tormek and replacecable blades don't mix lol.  That was before woodpecker career? 

Yes. I sold Tormek from 1994 until 2014. Look up New Yankee Workshop April 2000 for a laugh.

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Did you get inca 570?  I've been looking to get one with tersa heads but not many are out there for sale.   They are nice though and changing blades are amazingly easy and fast



Yes, I did. 87 or 88, I think. Late Swiss production before production went to France (Swiss = hammered green, French = turquoise). If you're serious about finding one, start following this group: https://groups.io/g/incawoodworking They come up pretty frequently.
Yep already in that group.  Few 570s popped up locally in my area but without tersa.  Those are rare

I'm not seeing season 12 April 2000 episode.  Last one is March 25th.  IS that the one?
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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2023, 10:51 AM »
Season 12 Episode 11. Originally aired March 11, 2000.

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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2023, 11:30 AM »
Season 12 Episode 11. Originally aired March 11, 2000.

Just saw it

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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2023, 02:48 PM »
I have a Gerber folding knife that takes replaceable utility knife blades.  The blade is held in place very securely with a small screw.  So replacing the blade means getting out a screw driver and unscrewing a tiny screw, replacing the blade and the tiny screw.

For less time than that takes, I generally put a couple of drops of honing oil on my Arkansas stone and give it a few quick swipes.  (A fringe benefit is that it ends up being quite a bit sharper than the factory edge. But it kind of defeats the purpose of having a knife with a disposable blade.)

So how sharp are these disposable blades?  Are they thick enough to avoid flexing?

I did try the titanium coated blades, but the sharp tip is the area that I mostly use and that did not seem to be assisted at all by the titanium.  It is long gone now, a victim of the Arkansas stone.


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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2023, 03:36 PM »
@Packard Hope these pictures answer your question. :)

Speaking of the regular utility knife blades, I mostly use the Stanley carbide blades. They are by far not as sharp as I keep my true pocket knife, but they last. And then I buy these 50/100 blades dispenser, I think the one I'm on right now is a Snap-On branded one, as true disposable blades for all the dirty/gooey/tar stuff. Some get tossed after a single cut - I don't care about these and buy them whenever theres promotional pricing.

The regular Rali blades are definitely sharp. No "turds".








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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2023, 06:20 PM »
Incidentally, the sys-hwz systainer hand tool insert has a space for a Rali plane… in case anyone buys one after reading this thread and wants a very expensive way to carry it.  [wink]

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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2023, 09:43 PM »
I like Rali planes EXCEPT when it comes time for new blades.

Can't seem to get them in the USA anymore.

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Re: Let's talk about a great site/"beater" plane - Rali 220 Evolution
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2023, 01:51 PM »
Someone else linked to the Rally shop in USA, for blades here is the link


https://rali-shop.com/accessories-51/blades-handplanes.html
I like Rali planes EXCEPT when it comes time for new blades.

Can't seem to get them in the USA anymore.