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Offline festal

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Latest finds
« on: May 12, 2023, 12:41 PM »
Picked these up today. Went to see tormek si-200 stone which ended up being chipped. But did pick these up for $30

Any recommendations on how to approach the restoration? So I don’t damage these further?

Also picked up these 2 from the market place



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Offline Alanbach

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Re: Latest finds
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2023, 01:08 PM »
Well first things first, I would get some WD40 or other oil on those chisels. Then clean them up with a gray (extra fine) scotch brite pad and more WD40, clean up the residue with paper towels and denatured alcohol and see what you’ve got. Repeat until you have reduced the staining as much as possible. At that point see how much pitting you have on the back and on the bevel. Then assess how far you need / want to go with resharpening. The ferrules are easily polished up with some Brasso or other metal polish.

The Boggs Spokeshaves are a great find. They look in very nice shape. Some brass polish for the bronze, a good honing for the blades and a little bit of light oil for the handles should do them just fine.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2023, 01:12 PM by Alanbach »

Offline festal

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Re: Latest finds
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2023, 01:11 PM »
Well first things first, I would get some WD40 or other oil on those chisels. Then clean them up with a gray (extra fine) scotch brite pad and more WD40, clean up the residue with paper towels and denatured alcohol and see what you’ve got. Repeat until you have reduced the staining as much as possible. At that point see how much pitting you have on the back and on the bevel. Then assess how far you need / want to go with resharpening. The ferrules are easily polished up with some Brasso or other metal polish.

Thank you.  Will start tonight

Offline guybo

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Re: Latest finds
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2023, 02:51 PM »
Hope they get use to the f-sport [big grin]

Offline mike_aa

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Re: Latest finds
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2023, 02:58 PM »
@festal  I spotted these at Lee Valley.  They look like they light be helpful.

Good Luck!  Mike A

Offline festal

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Re: Latest finds
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2023, 03:09 PM »
@festal  I spotted these at Lee Valley.  They look like they light be helpful.

Good Luck!  Mike A
I actually have those


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Offline woodbutcherbower

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Re: Latest finds
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2023, 03:49 PM »
The Joseph Marples chisel on the right (squared-off border logo) dates from the early 1970's - the other two (oval border logo) were made sometime between 1973-1977 when the logo outline border disappeared altogether to be replaced with a simple letter 'M' in a circle border in late 1977/early 1978. The same 'M' symbol also started getting stamped onto the neck of the chisel shaft a year later. The steel is proper 'Made in Sheffield' tool steel, 99.99999% likely to have originated from the Shepcote Lane smelter in Tinsley which was owned by the Firth-Vickers company at the time = the very site which invented and perfected the original stainless steel process in 1913.

It's also (slightly, but improbably) possible that the steel originated from the same company's Stocksbridge plant a few miles away, which also made high-quality tool and stainless steel. Firth-Vickers became part of British Steel after nationalisation, but then subsequent to the rapid Government U-turn and re-privatisation of the steel industry, the company was bought by Swedish steelmaker Avesta, who rebranded firstly to Avesta Stainless, then to Avesta Sheffield during the mid-1990's. The company was then sold again to Finnish steelmaker Outo Kumpu, who still own it to this day. The plant still runs, and manufactures a range of highly specialised stainless and conventional steels, mainly for aerospace applications. It's very successful, and utilises the skills of metallugists holding secrets which the Far East copyists would likely kill to acquire. The plant's a tenth of its original size - but it's still there. "You want Outo Kumpu Sheffield aerospace steel, sir? Here's the price - take it or leave it". 99% of they time, they take it, because there's no globally-viable alternative. The ones who cheap out? They suddenly find their airplanes falling out of the sky.

So cherish these historic British treasures @festal - they won't be making any more of them. Fix them up and they'll be worth ten times what you just paid for them.

Although you can still buy 'Marples' chisels, they're now all disassociated, generic Chinese cr*p, bearing zero resemblance to the quality of the originals, and all of which now use cheese for the blades instead of steel. The Joseph Marples company, however, is still manufacturing in Sheffield, making state-of-the-art squares, gauges and other hand tools. I own many of these beautiful, hand-made gems, I use/abuse them on a daily basis, and I can highly recommend them. There's something quite magical about using an everyday tool, hand-made by the same family that were proudly making exactly the same tool back in 1840 - and with the materials they use (coupled with the way they're built), they really are 'tools to last a lifetime'. Given the entirely appropriate support provided by FOG members towards anything bearing a 2023 'Made in the USA' label - I'm sure my numerous friends here will 100% identify with me being so proud and supportive of my country's surviving manufacturing heritage;

https://marples.co.uk/

Fun fact = The first thing Avesta Sheffield did after acquiring the company, was to commission-cast a huge and beautiful 8-ton stainless steel bison (the company logo) which was erected on a vast concrete plinth at the side of the M1 freeway right next to the Shepcote Lane plant at Junction 34 on the outskirts of Sheffield. After being passed by and suitably admired by many, many hundreds of thousands of passing drivers for many years, it was stolen one night (how? just how?) ............ and it has never been seen since.

My theory? I reckon the Germans stole it to make Kirschen chisels - the only ones I've ever found which come anywhere close to the original Sheffield-bladed Marples ones of old. Who knows? We're Festool guys, so we know what those cunning Germans are capable of.



So now you know.

Yep - I'm a Brit chisel nerd. Deal with it  [big grin]
« Last Edit: May 12, 2023, 05:44 PM by woodbutcherbower »

Offline mikeomalley

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Re: Latest finds
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2023, 04:46 PM »
Wow! What a great bit of information thank you


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Offline festal

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Re: Latest finds
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2023, 04:58 PM »
The Joseph Marples chisel on the right (squared-off logo) dates from the early 1970's - the other two (oval logo) were made sometime between 1973-1977 before the logo outline border disappeared altogether to be replaced with a simple letter 'M' in a circle border in late 1977/early 1978. The same 'M' symbol also started getting stamped onto the neck of the chisel shaft a year later. The steel is proper 'Made in Sheffield' tool steel, 99.99999% likely to have originated from the Shepcote Lane smelter in Tinsley which was owned by the Firth-Vickers company at the time = the very site which invented stainless steel in 1913. Who would have believed it?

It's also (slightly, but improbably) possible that the steel originated from the same company's Stocksbridge plant a few miles away, which also made high-quality tool and stainless steel. Firth-Vickers became part of British Steel after nationalisation, but then subsequent to the rapid Government U-turn and re-privatisation of the steel industry, the company was bought by Swedish steelmaker Avesta, who rebranded firstly to Avesta Stainless, then to Avesta Sheffield during the mid-1990's. The company was then sold again to Finnish steelmaker Outo Kumpu, who still own it to this day. The plant still runs, and manufactures a range of highly specialised stainless and conventional steels, mainly for aerospace applications. It's very successful, and utilises the skills of metallugists holding secrets which the Far East copyists would likely kill to acquire. The plant's a tenth of its original size - but it's still there. "You want Outo Kumpu Sheffield aerospace steel, sir? Here's the price - take it or leave it". 99% of they time, they take it, because there's no viable alternative. The ones who cheap out? They suddenly find their airplanes falling out of the sky.

So cherish these historic British treasures @festal - they won't be making any more of them. Fix them up and they'll be worth ten times what you just paid for them.

Although you can still buy 'Marples' chisels, they're now all disassociated, generic Chinese cr*p, bearing zero resemblance to the quality of the originals, and all of which now use cheese for the blades instead of steel. The Joseph Marples company, however, is still manufacturing in Sheffield, making state-of-the-art squares, gauges and other hand tools. I own many of these beautiful, hand-made gems, and I can highly recommend them. There's something quite magical about buying a tool hand-made by the same family that were proudly making them in 1840;

https://marples.co.uk/

Fun fact = The first thing Avesta Sheffield did after acquiring the company, was to commission-cast a huge and beautiful 8-ton stainless steel bison (the company logo) which was erected on a vast concrete plinth at the side of the M1 freeway right next to the Shepcote Lane plant at Junction 34 on the outskirts of Sheffield. After being passed by and suitably admired by many, many hundreds of thousands of passing drivers for many years, it was stolen one night (how? just how?) ............ and it has never been seen since.

My theory? I reckon the Germans stole it to make Kirschen chisels - the only ones I've ever found which come anywhere close to the original Sheffield-bladed Marples ones of old. Who knows? We're Festool guys, so we know what those cunning Germans are capable of.

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So now you know.

Yep - I'm a Brit chisel nerd. Deal with it  [big grin]
Oh thank you for the info. So it’s possible that one of them is my birth year 1977 lol


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Offline RussellS

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Re: Latest finds
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2023, 05:39 PM »
I have those same Marples chisels.  Mine are from the early 1990s though.  Mine have been better cared for too.

Offline festal

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Re: Latest finds
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2023, 05:46 PM »
I have those same Marples chisels.  Mine are from the early 1990s though.  Mine have been better cared for too.
Yep. Need to clean them up


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Offline festal

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Re: Latest finds
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2023, 05:59 PM »
Round one done.
Removed rust with naval jelly followed by brass wire brush and drill press







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Offline Svar

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Re: Latest finds
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2023, 08:14 PM »
Although you can still buy 'Marples' chisels, they're now all disassociated, generic Chinese cr*p, bearing zero resemblance to the quality of the originals, and all of which now use cheese for the blades instead of steel.
@woodbutcherbower Until very recently (did not check lately) one could buy Marples in a regular hardware store in the US labeled "Made in Sheffield, England" on the blade. They are OK chisels. Are you suggesting they are not from the UK?

Offline woodbutcherbower

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Re: Latest finds
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2023, 12:56 PM »
Although you can still buy 'Marples' chisels, they're now all disassociated, generic Chinese cr*p, bearing zero resemblance to the quality of the originals, and all of which now use cheese for the blades instead of steel.
@woodbutcherbower Until very recently (did not check lately) one could buy Marples in a regular hardware store in the US labeled "Made in Sheffield, England" on the blade. They are OK chisels. Are you suggesting they are not from the UK?

All Marples chisel production was outsourced to China in late 2008. I remember the factory being bulldozed. New old stock maybe?