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Offline CeeJay

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Re: Sense of entitlement?
« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2020, 05:41 PM »
There is a issue I have seen discussed regularly on a photography forum.

Have you ever been asked for a discount on the basis of getting great publicity from a social media influencer? I imagine it would take incredible ego to even ask this question, but who knows what people will try.


My wife is a photographer and writer and this happens ALL the time. It is very annoying and drives her crazy.

A lot of online publications take this approach. It’s very hard for people working in the arts to make a fair living these days.


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Offline Jesse Cloud

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Re: Sense of entitlement?
« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2020, 07:22 PM »
Apart from right or wrong, I don't think it will work.  Almost every rich person I have known has been very tight with his money.  Occasionally you may see Mr. "Money is no object." but that's mainly in the movies.  Doesn't matter whether you are selling trades work, real estate, or software.  Maybe that's a part of how they got rich in the first place or at least how they have managed to stay rich.

Maybe an exception is pricing by neighborhood.  Even a rich person will want to have his house look good compared to the neighbors and expect to pay in the same range they did.  But he will expect bang for the buck.

Offline Peter Halle

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« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2020, 07:50 PM »
Another thing to warn about - People talk. If you are a professional and do work in a neighborhood and then give pricing elevated based on perceived financial status, rest assured that the word will get out.  Better to offer "specials" that run for a limited time.

I personally do not employ any of these strategies, but they are viable for those trying to build a business with common sense.

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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Sense of entitlement?
« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2020, 08:25 PM »
Snip.

My wife is a photographer and writer and this happens ALL the time. It is very annoying and drives her crazy.

A lot of online publications take this approach. It’s very hard for people working in the arts to make a fair living these days.


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I hear you.

I know of one large publication house which moved its monthly issues to bi-monthly ones (once every two months), meaning reduced revenue, and cut its writer's fee across the board by 25%. "Take it or leave it." Magazines are tough to run. But then I know of none who writes woodworking articles for a living (not counting those who are themselves employees (Woodsmith, Woodworker's Journal, etc.).
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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Sense of entitlement?
« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2020, 08:38 PM »
Another thing to warn about - People talk. If you are a professional and do work in a neighborhood and then give pricing elevated based on perceived financial status, rest assured that the word will get out.  Better to offer "specials" that run for a limited time.

I personally do not employ any of these strategies, but they are viable for those trying to build a business with common sense.

Peter
Over the years, I've come across countless lawn or sidewalk signs from roofers, painters, or landscaping businesses that offer 10% off or something like that as they're working for some clients in the neighborhood. Window cleaning vendors, too. Surely, their intentions are to charge "other" customers not in the neighborhood more, even if the signs might just be a bait.

One or one set of standard pricing may be true for some sectors or businesses, but many legitimate businesses offer variable prices depending on whom they deal with. To say a client's background is never a factor in price determination is false. Healthcare professionals and teachers (that include woodworking instructors), for example, receive discounts when they buy merchandises from some vendors for or related to their professions.

If I came out of retirement and resumed my business, would I still have different pricing packages? Of course, it had worked for me for over 20 years, and the world --- save Covid-19 -- is still the same as the one I had been in before I called it quits.  But it might not work for someone else -- depending on their nature of business, experience etc.
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Re: Sense of entitlement?
« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2020, 12:07 AM »
   There is a difference between different pricing for different levels of work, economy of an area / region, different types of client (commercial vs private), other things that actually justify different pricing, etc. and simply jacking up the price because you think the customer is rich.

 Those are very different things. I think the OP was referring to the latter.

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Offline Imemiter

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Re: Sense of entitlement?
« Reply #36 on: August 01, 2020, 01:18 AM »
To me it seems the height of entitlement to judge a person on how much they charge or why. If the market will bear, it's a bull.

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« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2020, 09:32 PM »
I have a hourly rate (labor) +, hourly rate (shop)+, Materials  mark up 10% +, and profit + 40%,= cost of the project.

Dont care how much someone makes only that they are good people and wont nickel and dime the heck out of me and can afford to payme on time and in full.

Offline demographic

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Re: Sense of entitlement?
« Reply #38 on: August 02, 2020, 12:37 PM »
One of my brothers does it like this.
I would call him a fair person who is very experienced and knowledgeable in his field.

If he doesn't want to do the job he prices it higher.
Then if he gets the job he's happier to do the job because he's getting paid more.

That might just be because he knows the client will be a pain in the neck or possibly a bit slow paying.

So, in short if you are a pain in the neck, expect to pay a bit more.

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Re: Sense of entitlement?
« Reply #39 on: August 02, 2020, 08:50 PM »
@demographic

if the client is gonna be a pain, Ill just send him to a competitor let him deal with the toss bucket

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Offline Sparktrician

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My wife is a photographer and writer and this happens ALL the time. It is very annoying and drives her crazy.

I deal with people that ask for a "free" real estate photo job by telling them that if they hire me to do nine jobs at the normal price, I'll then give them one (and only one) job "free", but only after they pay for nine.  This is a one-time thing; don't ask for it more than once.  Some have balked, and I have walked.  End of story.  I don't need pikers as customers. 
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